People Waking Up, Not Taking Action, A reaction I keep getting from people

I've been discussing and explaining all this manipulation and the agenda to many people where I live and surprisingly, many of them actually listen and agree and seems to be awaken to the situation, yet I keep getting the same reaction "don't think about this stuff so much" and they continue down the road to enslavement.


"Yes I agree we have been decieved on an unimaginable scale, yes it is wrong, yes this is important to know... But whatever, I can't be bothered thinking about this stuff. Bye."

Anyone else experienced this? What do you make of this?

It's the same with people around me.

They understand that what I'm saying is very important and some believe in it, others not but the main point is nobody dares to take action.

It seems everybody is too stuffed up with it's own little life the worry about the grand future.

Maybe nowadays people have a life that's too good to threaten with 'change'. It doesn't seem to matter if that change will make their life even better. Again a failure to see the grand future.

I have experienced this with people as well and the best thing I can compare it to is they just like getting screwed with no protection.

It's like they are all in the middle of having sex with no condom. They know there are risks yet they are too caught up in the act to stop it. When they listen to you it's like they are saying, "well I'll stop in a second and will put that condom on, ya give me just another second, hang on ...one more second" and before they realize it- it's too late.

Sorry, but I'm getting frustrated with the sheep like so many other people are as well on this board.

This post has been edited by HallowsEve on Jun 12 2006, 05:05 PM

So are you saying the Bush administration played "Just the tip" with us??

Yup same for me. I even had people saying: "Even if it`s true, i don't care". I know that we are confortable in our democrate era but this kind of event must not be ignored! Most people are sheeps and that's the main reason 9/11 happened: sheeps follows whoever is their leader.

Alex Jones for president (or Charlie Sheen)! But hey, we won't get rid of Harper here in Canada?!

Interesting thread here;

Interesting how somewhere in my last 500 or so posts, I requested a possible bloody revolution or revolt, but that idea was denounced quickly.

I even mentioned how many will not even care even if all this is true. I haven't seen any attempt to protest on DC that I also suggested.

I'll quote myself when I find my old posts.

So are you saying the Bush administration played "Just the tip" with us??

They played:

1."Just the tip"

2."Rim job"

3."Pressed fruit bowl"

and

4."The Filthy Sanchez"

Funny condom analogy.

Random Thoughts:

Knowledge is power, get informed and prepared before the next 9/11.

"He who can protest and injustice and does not, is an accomplice to the act." - Talmud

UniversalSeed.org, a diamond in the rough of truth & 9/11 sites.
Wake up and smell the fascism! Find out the truth about 9/11 and the war on terror.

This post has been edited by chucksheen on Jun 12 2006, 05:31 PM

Yea but you're still not doing anything to stop it.

Stop what? Stop peoples lack of concern? Exposure and move on to the next person. Soon enough the truth will seek them.

Just assume you have enough people in America that know the truth, whatis the next step for you, to stop these lies and NWO from spreading more? Just what exactly are you going to do to stop it? Are you going to wait on someone else to lead the way?

The problem we have is to get organised. We must get organised!

well the old frogs in a pan analogy springs to mind.. just wait till the heat becomes unbearable! It will be too late!

Come together then. Solidarity and Unity.

Contact these people like I did.

http://www.911truth.org/Grassroots_Contacts.htm

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OK Here are some provocative thoughts.

What if what might be needed is to look at the actions one is taking oneself and the process each of you have gone through too.

For example, when I first started investigating 9-11 in response to reading an article by Mike Ruppert It was like my soft pullover of Americaan Reality getting unravelled thread by thread. This was a -very- depressing experience. I became a hermit for months. Get up . Switch on computer. Research. Eat . Feel Bad . Sleep. Repeat.

When I first started talking about it, post Afghanistan (Bush saying that Bin Laden was not important was when I knew the whole thing was a lie), I found people looked at me like I was John The Baptist from The Life Of Brian - and I didnt even have a beard!

That taught me
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One persons CLEARLY is another persons HUH???
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Imagine if you were approached on Sept 11th by a wild eyed "Conspiracy Theorist" saying They were NOT REALLY PLANES!! Watch my Video!! Visit this website !!:P
You might want to punch the guy.

Make allowances that millions of people are still in a trance from that day. They need to be brought out of the trance. This can happen step by step - after all, we did it


Here are some interesting questions to ask people.

What are your criteria for changing your mind about what happened on 9-11?
Would it be something that you would have to SEE, HEAR or FEEL or ANALYSE?

If they say SEE, they may be very receptive to SEEING L2SE
If they say HEAR, perhaps David Ray Griffin or RayMcGovern or Wayne Madsen or Mike Ruppert, all of whom have good speaking voices - an audio tape / CD
If they say FEEL, said you FELT something FELT wrong about 911. You investigated and found YOUR FEELING WAS ACCURATE.
If they say ANALYSE, they want to be able to review data. Send them to data intensive 911 websites


People often do not like and will reject information which is not in the format they prefer

Do you think if I produced something that met those criteria, that you REALLY MIGHT change your mind?
Challenge people to be willing to change their mind. Few people like to think of themselves as really dogmatic

Would it make any difference if you DID change your mind, life is busy, I mean we have bills to pay. I dont think most people are bothered. What do YOU think??

Challenge their ability to take action. Few people like to think of themselves as so uninvolved, they would sit back and do nothing


I hate being evangelised, I dont mind being enthused, but I LOVE someone who treats me as an adult and lets me make my own mind up, and gives me information in the format I like.

I bet every single person on that activist list is being wiretapped right now. It's a good idea but I can't put my info out there like that. Sure they probably know everything about me already but I can't risk it. i'll be going to all the protests anyway.

To bush every one of the activists are terrorists.

This post has been edited by Amorelli on Jun 12 2006, 07:39 PM

Actually, i've been hearing strange clicking sounds on my phone as well

Ever seen the slow boiling fish analogy? A fish that's thrown into boiling water will try to jump out, but if you slowly raise the temperature it'll just gradually allow itself to be killed.

I don't think people actually realize the danger they're in. Ya, our rights are being taken away, the government is currupt, yada yada. What's new?

I doubt that anyone in new york takes this issue lightly. They know that it effects them directly. The rest of us don't think anything bad will ever happen to us. (by us I mean most americans) And when you start talking about concentration camps, implant chips, government killing it's own people, and all that... people just think you're a nut because they can't concieve of things being that way, or they don't want to think about it. (the more evidence you give the more they deny it).

That, and the fact that most people don't think they have any power to affect change. "How can I know what's going on when everyone is lying?" "What can I do, I'm just one out of millions of americans, a drop in the Ocean", etc

But like alex jones said, we're driving the elites, making them take extreme measures and when they do that it's like turning up the fire too fast... people realize they're in danger. And once people actually do realize that they're in danger, then they'll be prepared to take extreme actions to protect themselves.

This post has been edited by Xraye on Jun 12 2006, 11:21 PM

Another important point to bear in mind when trying to convince people of the truth of 9/11 is the psychology of we humans.

We have an image in our subconscious of the world around us. That image includes all the things that we know, sounds that we hear, pictures we see with our eyes etc.

That image in our subconscious exactly matches the world around us, from our viewpoint.

When the world around us changes, it causes great stress to us. This is why we feel homesick when we go overseas, etc., or we move to a new place. It takes roughly three months for us to settle down again after a move. That is: it takes roughly three months for the subconscious image to be overwritten with the new reality around us.

When we talk to people about 9/11 what we are doing is throwing the frog straight into the hot water. They can’t take it and shut us out. Their need for SANITY dictates that they CAN’T let us be right.

It’s not their fault. We just have to love them and move on to others who may be more willing to investigate.

One more point.

The authorities will be their own undoing. Their own machinations will be their downfall.

“Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive”

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This post has been edited by firerain on Jun 13 2006, 02:54 AM

Searcher love the post and what I do to some that are a hard nut to crack is I give them the "Something funny happend on the way to the moon" dvd and it kinda lets them know what our government was capable of so long ago, its a good icebreaker.

But I will say again if we can promote the move America: Freedom to fascism located here at www.freedomtofascism.com it will act as an icebreaker for further truths. This goes way beyond republican and democrat and hits everyone.

I also thought of another idea tonight on the way home from work, we need to start listening to these right wing talk radio shows and call in from time to time. Get your facts straight before you do and have something prepared to say. Have a plan.

This post has been edited by Hummer on Jun 13 2006, 06:22 AM

Actually, i've been hearing strange clicking sounds on my phone as well

Truthmonger-

Me too. I use my cell almost everyday to inform new people about 9/11. I'm sure many of my calls have been red flagged.

Let 'em come for me baby. I'm a weightlifter. I weigh 270 lb. and it will be the Guns of F*cking Navarone. They may get my ass but I guarantee the sh*t will hit the fan before they do.

Now I'm trying to sound like a bad ass

:goes to look out the mini blinds and see if anyone is watching the house: lol

This post has been edited by HallowsEve on Jun 13 2006, 06:42 AM

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=6251

Thank you for your excellent replies!

xtratabasco - Nice

I'm sure people will eventually have NO choice but to wake the hell up to SAVE their own lives, but untill we get to that point, I wish I could help people start thinking about we could to do to prepare in whatever way we can no matter how little it seems. It's better than nothing. Have a storage of supplies ready, fix your old pickup truck lol, get some first aid kits and medicine, etc.

And they've been teabagging us since Boston.

Damn, that's a good one Mathias ...wish I had thought of it.

Maybe we need an entire thread dedicated to naming all the creative ways the neocons, PNACers, Bilderbergers, CFR boys etc. have been giving it to us minus the vaseline.

This post has been edited by HallowsEve on Jun 14 2006, 02:09 AM

I have also encountered this problem. I've only been involved in the truth movement for a few month now and I must say I'm getting no where fast. I only got one of my friends to be at the same level of awareness and involvement as myself. Its hard to get people to believe it. I think its easier when they learn one small piece of it at a time instead of having their imaginary worlds come crashing down on them all at once.


I think there are really only 2 ways in which to get someone to immediately take action:
1) hit them in the pocketbook
2) a life or death situation

just think how hard it was to get the people to believe the world wasnt flat.

Actually, i've been hearing strange clicking sounds on my phone as well

Truthmonger-

Me too. I use my cell almost everyday to inform new people about 9/11. I'm sure many of my calls have been red flagged.

Let 'em come for me baby. I'm a weightlifter. I weigh 270 lb. and it will be the Guns of F*cking Navarone. They may get my ass but I guarantee the sh*t will hit the fan before they do.

Now I'm trying to sound like a bad ass

:goes to look out the mini blinds and see if anyone is watching the house: lol

It is so nice to see such emotion and will.

Please take a look at my call to Washington DC for the week of 9/11 to 9/18. There is time for the nation to gather for redress. There is space to bring NY 911 down after 9/11 to have the stage.

There is a call and a chance to do something in DC at the root. How many opportunities have come our way or will in the future?

Check out the site at http://www.911citizenscourt.com and help out. We need everyone from every corner of the nation to effect change. That is what this thread seems to talk about. Are you now willing to walk the walk?

Rick
Call for 10 Million Americans to Assemble in DC Sept 11 to 18th 2006 = Restore the Republic on Constituion Day this year.