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 Motive? Follow the Money Trail . .., 9.11 needed to protect US$
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Posted: May 19 2006, 04:34 PM


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A couple of the guys in Alternative Theories asked me to repost this in here:



So we all know pretty much When, What and Who (to a lesser extent) - or we wouldn't be here...

Why?

What Motive could possibly justify the series of actions leading up to 9.11 and up to now?


* In order to justify perpetrating your own Pearl Harbour to mobilize everyone onside you need a lot of support for a damn big problem.


Just as you suspected, it's about oil and money - but on such a scale... this is going to take a while, and goes way way back, and it's economics. Sorry but this will take a few pages.

Money? Yep even Bernanke is going to get involved... fascinating cast throughout...


* Saddam was going to change oil-sales from US$ to EUR$ approx April 2003 - UN paperwork late 2000.

Iraq was invaded supposedly to stop the use of WMD's (9.11 connection) mid March 2003. Via Afghanistan who purportedly through ElQ where responsible for 9.11

Clearly the US needed a lot of BIG reasons for going in to justify mobilization. 9.11 was the Pearl Harbour necessary to mobilize.

* Iran has already instituted changes whereby they are now in the process of changing from US$ to EUR$ for oil.


If you were a betting man, what odds would you put on Iran's pulling this off?



THE threat was to the US$'s future; thats it, the US$, the bullying world standard, is Backed By Oil.
- oh wouldn'cha just hate to lose that!?


Just go buy some gold, and sell your real estate fast because this is happening real time...



At this point in time - the Iranian Oil Bourse will accelerate the fall of the American Empire just as Saddam's version proposed in 2000 would have - read on...


I. Economics of Empires

A nation-state taxes its own citizens, while an empire taxes other nation-states. The history of empires, from Greek and Roman, to Ottoman and British, teaches that the economic foundation of every single empire is the taxation of other nations. The imperial ability to tax has always rested on a better and stronger economy, and as a consequence, a better and stronger military. One part of the subject taxes went to improve the living standards of the empire; the other part went to strengthen the military dominance necessary to enforce the collection of those taxes.

Historically, taxing the subject state has been in various forms - usually gold and silver, where those were considered money, but also slaves, soldiers, crops, cattle, or other agricultural and natural resources, whatever economic goods the empire demanded and the subject-state could deliver. Historically, imperial taxation has always been direct: the subject state handed over the economic goods directly to the empire.

For the first time in history, in the twentieth century, America was able to tax the world indirectly, through inflation. It did not enforce the direct payment of taxes like all of its predecessor empires did, but distributed instead its own fiat currency, the U.S. Dollar, to other nations in exchange for goods with the intended consequence of inflating and devaluing those dollars and paying back later each dollar with less economic goods - the difference capturing the U.S. imperial tax.

Here is how this happened:

Early in the 20th century, the U.S. economy began to dominate the world economy. The U.S. dollar was tied to gold, so that the value of the dollar neither increased, nor decreased, but remained the same amount of gold. The Great Depression, with its preceding inflation from 1921 to 1929 and its subsequent ballooning government deficits, had substantially increased the amount of currency in circulation, and thus rendered the backing of U.S. dollars by gold impossible. This led Roosevelt to decouple the dollar from gold in 1932. Up to this point, the U.S. may have well dominated the world economy, but from an economic point of view, it was not an empire.

The fixed value of the dollar did not allow the Americans to extract economic benefits from other countries by supplying them with dollars convertible to gold.

Economically, the American Empire was born with Bretton Woods in 1945. The U.S. dollar was not fully convertible to gold, but was made convertible to gold only to foreign governments. This established the dollar as the reserve currency of the world.

It was possible, because during WWII, the United States had supplied its allies with provisions, demanding gold as payment, thus accumulating significant portion of the world's gold. An Empire would not have been possible if, following the Bretton Woods arrangement, the dollar supply was kept limited and within the availability of gold, so as to fully exchange back dollars for gold. However, the guns-and-butter policy of the 1960's was an imperial one: the dollar supply was relentlessly increased to finance Vietnam and LBJ's Great Society. Most of those dollars were handed over to foreigners in exchange for economic goods, without the prospect of buying them back at the same value. The increase in dollar holdings of foreigners via persistent U.S. trade deficits was tantamount to a tax - the classical inflation tax that a country imposes on its own citizens, this time around an inflation tax that U.S. imposed on rest of the world.

When in 1970-1971 foreigners demanded payment for their dollars in gold, The U.S. Government defaulted on its payment on August 15, 1971. While the popular spin told the story of "severing the link between the dollar and gold", in reality the denial to pay back in gold was an act of bankruptcy by the U.S. Government.

Essentially, the U.S. declared itself an Empire. It had extracted an enormous amount of economic goods from the rest of the world, with no intention or ability to return those goods, and the world was powerless to respond - the world was taxed and it could not do anything about it.

From that point on, to sustain the American Empire and to continue to tax the rest of the world, the United States had to force the world to continue to accept ever-depreciating dollars in exchange for economic goods and to have the world hold more and more of those depreciating dollars.

It had to give the world an economic reason to hold them, and that reason was oil.

In 1971, as it became clearer and clearer that the U.S Government would not be able to buy back its dollars in gold, it made in 1972-73 an iron-clad arrangement with Saudi Arabia to support the power of the House of Saud in exchange for accepting only U.S. dollars for its oil.

The rest of OPEC was to follow suit and also accept only dollars. Because the world had to buy oil from the Arab oil countries, it had the reason to hold dollars as payment for oil. Because the world needed ever increasing quantities of oil at ever increasing oil prices, the world's demand for dollars could only increase. Even though dollars could no longer be exchanged for gold, they were now exchangeable for oil.

The economic essence of this arrangement was that the dollar was now backed by oil. As long as that was the case, the world had to accumulate increasing amounts of dollars, because they needed those dollars to buy oil. As long as the dollar was the only acceptable payment for oil, its dominance in the world was assured, and the American Empire could continue to tax the rest of the world.

If, for any reason, the dollar lost its oil backing, the American Empire would cease to exist. Thus, Imperial survival dictated that oil be sold only for dollars. It also dictated that oil reserves were spread around various sovereign states that weren't strong enough, politically or militarily, to demand payment for oil in something else. If someone demanded a different payment, he had to be convinced, either by political pressure or military means, to change his mind.

The man that actually did demand Euro for his oil was Saddam Hussein in 2000. At first, his demand was met with ridicule, later with neglect, but as it became clearer that he meant business, political pressure was exerted to change his mind. When other countries, like Iran, wanted payment in other currencies, most notably Euro and Yen, the danger to the dollar was clear and present, and a punitive action was in order.

Bush's Shock-and-Awe in Iraq was not about Saddam's nuclear capabilities, about defending human rights, about spreading democracy, or even about seizing oil fields; it was about defending the dollar, ergo the American Empire.

It was about setting an example that anyone who demanded payment in currencies other than U.S. Dollars would be likewise punished. If 9.11 was self-created in order to mobilize, it set the stage with fluid timing.

Many have criticized Bush for staging the war in Iraq in order to seize Iraqi oil fields. However, those critics can't explain why Bush would want to seize those fields - he could simply print dollars for nothing and use them to get all the oil in the world that he needs. He must have had some other reason to invade Iraq.

There can be no doubt that 9.11 was the crisis needed to make the Empire mobilize. In the context of this scale of wealth, the poorly backed up claims of the 9.11 attack seem a godsend beyond coincidence.

History teaches that an empire should go to war for one of two reasons: (1) to defend itself or (2) benefit from war; if not, as Paul Kennedy illustrates in his magisterial The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, a military overstretch will drain its economic resources and precipitate its collapse. Economically speaking, in order for an empire to initiate and conduct a war, its benefits must outweigh its military and social costs. Benefits from Iraqi oil fields are hardly worth the long-term, multi-year military cost. The rage of the 9.11 events went a long way to divert attention from this, in fact 9.11 inspired military spending directly.

Bush needed to go into Iraq to defend the Empire. Indeed, this is the case: two months after the United States invaded Iraq, the Oil for Food Program was terminated, the Iraqi Euro accounts were switched back to dollars, and oil was sold once again only for U.S. dollars. No longer could the world buy oil from Iraq with Euro. Global dollar supremacy was once again restored. Bush descended victoriously from a fighter jet and declared the mission accomplished - he had successfully defended the U.S. dollar, and thus the American Empire. The confusion of 9.11 was the catalyst which made the great power rise up and mobilize, it effectively accellerated the military.

II. Iranian Oil Bourse

The Iranian government has finally developed the ultimate "nuclear" weapon that can swiftly destroy the financial system underpinning the American Empire. That weapon is the Iranian Oil Bourse slated to open mid 2006. It will be based on a euro-oil-trading mechanism that naturally implies payment for oil in Euro. In economic terms, this represents a much greater threat to the hegemony of the dollar than Saddam's, because it will allow anyone willing either to buy or to sell oil for Euro to transact on the exchange, thus circumventing the U.S. dollar altogether. If so, then it is likely that almost everyone will eagerly adopt this euro oil system:

* The Europeans will not have to buy and hold dollars in order to secure their payment for oil, but would instead pay with their own currencies. The adoption of the euro for oil transactions will provide the European currency with a reserve status that will benefit the European at the expense of the Americans.

* The Chinese and the Japanese will be especially eager to adopt the new exchange, because it will allow them to drastically lower their enormous dollar reserves and diversify with Euros, thus protecting themselves against the depreciation of the dollar. One portion of their dollars they will still want to hold onto; a second portion of their dollar holdings they may decide to dump outright; a third portion of their dollars they will decide to use up for future payments without replenishing those dollar holdings, but building up instead their euro reserves.

* The Russians have inherent economic interest in adopting the Euro - the bulk of their trade is with European countries, with oil-exporting countries, with China, and with Japan. Adoption of the Euro will immediately take care of the first two blocs, and will over time facilitate trade with China and Japan. Also, the Russians seemingly detest holding depreciating dollars, for they have recently found a new religion with gold. Russians have also revived their nationalism, and if embracing the Euro will stab the Americans, they will gladly do it and smugly watch the Americans bleed.

* The Arab oil-exporting countries will eagerly adopt the Euro as a means of diversifying against rising mountains of depreciating dollars. Just like the Russians, their trade is mostly with European countries, and therefore will prefer the European currency both for its stability and for avoiding currency risk, not to mention their jihad against the Infidel Enemy.

Only the British will find themselves between a rock and a hard place. They have had a strategic partnership with the U.S. forever, but have also had their natural pull from Europe. So far, they have had many reasons to stick with the winner. However, when they see their century-old partner falling, will they firmly stand behind him or will they deliver the coup de grace? Still, we should not forget that currently the two leading oil exchanges are the New York's NYMEX and the London's International Petroleum Exchange (IPE), even though both of them are effectively owned by the Americans. It seems more likely that the British will have to go down with the sinking ship, for otherwise they will be shooting themselves in the foot by hurting their own London IPE interests. It is here noteworthy that for all the rhetoric about the reasons for the surviving British Pound, the British most likely did not adopt the Euro namely because the Americans must have pressured them not to: otherwise the London IPE would have had to switch to Euros, thus mortally wounding the dollar and their strategic partner.

At any rate, no matter what the British decide, should the Iranian Oil Bourse accelerate, the interests that matter-those of Europeans, Chinese, Japanese, Russians, and Arabs-will eagerly adopt the Euro, thus sealing the fate of the dollar.

Americans cannot allow this to happen, and if necessary, will use a vast array of strategies to halt or hobble the operation's exchange:

* Sabotaging the Exchange - this could be a computer virus, network, communications, or server attack, various server security breaches, or a 9-11-type attack on main and backup facilities.

* Coup d'état - this is by far the best long-term strategy available to the Americans.

* 9.11 Clone - blame Iran for a direct attack.

* Negotiating Acceptable Terms & Limitations - this is another excellent solution to the Americans. Of course, a government coup is clearly the preferred strategy, for it will ensure that the exchange does not operate at all and does not threaten American interests. However, if an attempted sabotage or coup d'etat fails, then negotiation is clearly the second-best available option.

* Joint U.N. War Resolution - this will be, no doubt, hard to secure given the interests of all other member-states of the Security Council. Feverish rhetoric about Iranians developing nuclear weapons undoubtedly serves to prepare this course of action.

* Unilateral Nuclear Strike - this is a terrible strategic choice for all the reasons associated with the next strategy, the Unilateral Total War. The Americans will likely use Israel to do their dirty nuclear job.

* Unilateral Total War - this is obviously the worst strategic choice. First, the U.S. military resources have been already depleted with two wars. Secondly, the Americans will further alienate other powerful nations. Third, major dollar-holding countries may decide to quietly retaliate by dumping their own mountains of dollars, thus preventing the U.S. from further financing its militant ambitions. Finally, Iran has strategic alliances with other powerful nations that may trigger their involvement in war; Iran reputedly has such alliance with China, India, and Russia, known as the Shanghai Cooperative Group, a.k.a. Shanghai Coop and a separate pact with Syria.

Whatever the strategic choice, from a purely economic point of view, should the Iranian Oil Bourse gain momentum, it will be eagerly embraced by major economic powers and will precipitate the demise of the dollar. The collapsing dollar will dramatically accelerate U.S. inflation and will pressure upward U.S. long-term interest rates. At this point, the Fed will find itself between Scylla and Charybdis - between deflation and hyperinflation - it will be forced fast either to take its "classical medicine" by deflating, whereby it raises interest rates, thus inducing a major economic depression, a collapse in real estate, and an implosion in bond, stock, and derivative markets, with a total financial collapse.


If I was the "old guard of the US" I'd be stuck also; once they lose grip on global dollar power and countries fall off the wagon, do you just go invade every threat and seize every asset? Or keep relying on misinformation for reasons behind the actions? Every other country on the planet has to endure these cycles, of course they can't roll 40 divisions of troops out in 24hours either.

Mind you - if I was one of the old-guard: hah, I'd be 20 years ahead of the lot of you and triply confusing you too - this is my long term security. There are a dozen innovative methods still unexploited in all this - be prepared for suprises!

I suppose the biggest question remaining, given the facts that the US government has already gone so far as to actually attack themselves and blame impossible culprits in order to invade and seize huge global assets, to avoid massive economic downturn, is this: Where Will It Ever End? OR can it end now, I doubt it, it has to go on, and on...


You see the only alternative of getting out of this humungeous debt is to buy your way out with a combination of US$'s and something truly truly valuable, some gold sure but - uuummm, maybe a few Oil Fields?

Now where could one find a few oil fields to bail out the Saudi and Japanese debt?
Hmmmm.... of course you'd need to mobilize a huge army... and be completely scupulously focussed on this as a goal...


Niggle


and PS: in 15 years with the reactor base in Iran, maybe, they could make enough plutonium - maybe - but just before we go all "Nukey" on this matter.... forget it.. it's just another WMD red-herring... the Govt just believes that 90% of US citizens are too lazy to give any mental energy to the confusing matter - just like both Iraq and 9.11!

PPS: There's another economic alternative, the most likely when this hits the fan: to take the Weimar way out by inflating, whereby it pegs the long-bond yield and drowns the financial system in liquidity, hyperinflating the economy.
Commander-in-Chief Ben Bernanke has mastered the lessons of the Great Depression and the annihilating power of deflations. To avoid deflation, he will resort to the printing presses; and, if necessary, he will monetize everything in sight.
His ultimate accomplishment will be the hyperinflationary destruction of the American currency and from its ashes will rise the next reserve currency of the world - that relic called gold.
Naw, it's so easy to take over the middle east - but you gotta get the people on-side first.
Then you give control of oil fields to the right people.
Then you can control the world economy again without fear of transition or change.
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Posted: May 19 2006, 04:45 PM


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Niggle, are you an economist or have you studied economic principals? (This is not a challenge but a sincere question. This perspective is very similar to the one I've come to but I am not an 'economics' person, just a 'dumb artist' type.)

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Way to go Niggle

Maybe this thread gets the attention it deserves. It might be the best post around here and it really should be viewed way more than like 50 times in 2 or whatever weeks. I bet I'm like 25 of them views, lovely reading.
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Posted: May 19 2006, 04:57 PM


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The War in Iraq is an economic conflict between the US and France/Germany. The EU nations were getting too cozy with Middle East supplies and the US effectively cut them off. This is apparent without reading any long treatises. The EU has a greater population and similar GDP to the US, an effective threat to US hegemony. Especially considering France/Germany's greater willingness to "go the distance" diplopatically with Muslim nations.

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This is getting closer to the truth, but really, do you think they'll ever tell us anything?

Ever?

That we don't already find out on our own first, I mean?
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Posted: May 19 2006, 05:31 PM


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This can't be adressed enough!

So thanks for that post!



http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...owtopic=775&hl=
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Posted: May 19 2006, 07:43 PM


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QUOTE (Niggle @ May 19 2006, 04:34 PM)
* Iran has already instituted changes whereby they are now in the process of changing from US$ to EUR$ for oil.

If you were a betting man, what odds would you put on Iran's pulling this off?


Let's just say every sport book in Vegas would love to have someone place a bet on Iran accomplishing the Euro switch. They (casino establishment) would be cleaning up. No way in hell the US will allow it - no matter the cost.

Your post was very informative Niggel. This info is the basis of Webster Griffin Tarpley's book 9/11 Synthetic Terror. Although you went even deeper into the specifics. Much appreciated!
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Posted: May 19 2006, 11:55 PM


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You should post this is the 'who benefits' forum a well-


Motive-
THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11
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Posted: May 20 2006, 12:23 AM


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but what about the NWO theory? Wouldn't the EU and US be part of the same world order?
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Posted: May 20 2006, 03:39 AM


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QUOTE (Niggle @ May 19 2006, 04:34 PM)
Just as you suspected, it's about oil and money - but on such a scale... this is going to take a while, and goes way way back, and it's economics. Sorry but this will take a few pages.
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Posted: May 20 2006, 04:20 AM


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f*ck ALL THAT!!!!

we have a chance for an historic breakthrough!!

the natives are getting restless

time to put a check on the people that could screw up the world
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with the money they spend on war ---we can have this for all time



TRUE AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL GOVT/MIXED WITH INTERNET
with papor ballots



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this creates cheap orbital access TO...........ION DRIVEN DEEP SPACE VEHICLES


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might as well be prepared for the best!
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one thing at a time....

after the revelation of the 911hoax mankind will have unlimited potential

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Gonna print this out and give it the attention and time it so thoroughly deserves, nice work my friend... will comment later when I've had the chance to digest...
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This is so heavy people have a hard time digesting it?

Perhaps this thread makes people think that whoever did 911 did a good thing. Without a doubt, good things came out of 911, for both sides.

Whatever the case, this thread needs a bump.
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QUOTE (EOR @ May 22 2006, 05:40 PM)


Perhaps this thread makes people think that whoever did 911 did a good thing. Without a doubt, good things came out of 911, for both sides.

Whatever the case, this thread needs a bump.

Name anything good that came from 9/11.

If you are referring to the staving off of financial collapse then 9/11 only supplied a band-aid to that inevitable outcome. How many state sponsored attacks will be too many to justify shoring up the pathetic dollar?

I will agree this thread needs a big bump so people will continue educating themselves on why we have terrorism and why we have these bullshit wars. I will bump for that but not because something good supposedly came from 9/11.
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I can think of two good things that could come of it, if we are lucky.

1. The enormity of the hoax could backfire and people will figure out the kind of animals that have been ruling us.

2. Their plans to bottle up the worlds oil till it reaches $100 a barrel might just inspire people to find other sources.
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That's true Sanders.

I suppose I was only thinking of the events that are physically happening to change our world. I didn't consider the events that are happening below the surface -meaning the realization that all of us and others have and are coming to.

Good points.
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Posted: May 22 2006, 09:46 PM


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Thanks for the feedback - it's all about the motive for me - I tried not to attack or defend any of this...


Wall Street is at war. This is sort of the 3rd world war being fought by only one army on the field, controlling the game before it gets started.
The EUR$ can cripple the US$, not to mention the Anglo-American alliance in the oil industry (as in BP-Amoco) and weapons production ("Big Five" plus BAES).

Petrodollars and the US dollar are the integral parts of this new 'Anglo-American military-oil axis'. And it looks like it really started gaining steam around '99, it's a long story.

But the EUR$ and the US$ rival financial and monetary systems are competing worldwide for control of global money creation and credit. It's almost end-game and only one can win - whoever's dollar is the petrodollar.

The geopolitical and strategic implications are massive and already marked by new splits in the Western defence industry and the oil businesses. The old boys are regrouping.


The US is poised to militarily rule the chessboard. Only public and global sentiment could stop them, and even then...


Who but oilmen and bankers would have the balls:


-US Empire is built on the dollar and it's unique tie to oil
-US$ and petrodollar future in jeopardy if EUR$ becomes a petrodollar
-Iraq on 2003 schedule for change from US$ to EUR$, Iran on 2006 schedule
-Certain US depression if debt not controlled and US$ strength not secured
-Global efficiencies point to lower petrol useage, require higher oil prices for profits
-Quadrillions of dollars in oil transfers in US$'s make it the global fiat currency
-Collapse of US real-estate, markets and gdp imminent, only strong US$ will stop it
-Spending US$ on massive level bouys economy and US$, internal arms race
-Biggest creditor is Saudi, loans up $4Trillion since 9.11
-Securing largest world oil reserves akin to giving them to Saudis
-Tie the operation to a debt forgiveness program long term
-Pay off debt through oil credits, ongoing bouying of US$ through control of wells
-Nobbling and leaving oilwells at low productivity great for Saudis also
-Saudi wealth is petrodollar growth is US$ growth equals ongoing world power
-Need to mobilize military to secure oilwells or find alternative to devalue EUR$
-Public sentiment for unjustified invasion totally negative as is world's
-Troops and public need to be united for invasion and ongoing military operations
-9.11 planned and executed as necessary Pearl Harbour event to enrage public
-9.11 launches military-economy and wartime measures powers still ongoing
-Public sentiment positive for worldwide retaliation and internal change
-Public unified and deem new society and finance bills acceptable
-Afghanistan provides control of pipelines and ports to Russia/China
-WMD's cover up petrodollar crisis/motive
-Massive spending, increased debt, dollar stabilized, Saudi profits soar
-Mobilized and growing military deployed in middle east
-Iraq wells nobbled and secured and trading in US$
-Iraq oil traffic controlled by US security council, anglo american, bp - gottit!
-Ongoing 9.11 terror distraction justifies ongoing military expansion
-Iranian oil boyse still on a countdown to convert to EUR$
-Saudi+Iraq+Iran wells ~70% global oil = control in europe and beyond
-Iran currently not controlled
-Speculation on method to mobilize into Iran: new 9.11? nuclear? misinformation? ?
- One way or another Europe's banks and military will become US controlled


Yeah, I know, there are other oil supplies, but it's not about total domination, this will all look very benevolent by the time it's played out this administration; it's ONLY about keeping the US$ in control of the petrodollar, and with Iran the future is secure.

Hmmm, in about 25 years those wells should be gone and us living in pretty orange skies - the Alberta oilsands are the only next big reserve, by then the cost per barrel will be humungeous and the US will have benefited from another quarter-century of huge profits and growth/global ownership. All thanks to a partnership that dates back almost 60 years..

Who'd a thunk it possible but this plan worked. The public possibly wouldn't even care if this was spun out the right way (see Kyoto accord), but there's no turning back now; and no loose lips so far.

So who's the brains behind it? Who spotted the method of profiting on all sides of a game like this? Where'd the plan get cooked up and funded?
Keep following the money! Who makes the money? Damn there are tons of them. You can sort of spot it just with public profits over the last 3 years but the big money comes to those who hedge oil and who's running the ports.

Clearly Anglo-American oil giants (BP-Amoco, Chevron-Texaco, Exxon-Mobil, Shell) – supported by the Anglo-American military axis are fighting Europe's oil giant Total-Fina-Elf and Italy's ENI, with huge interests in Iraq, Iran, and Central Asia.
And to mobilize into the region a big bang was necessary.

With Anglo-American control of Afghanistan and Iraq they have control of about half of the oil interest north of Saudi and into Europe - with Iran they'll control and dictate the terms for oil throughout Europe until someone comes and takes it away from them.

Anglo-American is a company. It owns lots of the companies you already know are profitting in Iraq. It's still only a subsidiary, though, sort of the front-man if and when you need one.
There just isn't enough typing to go over what and who's in that place and beyond - this goes up to Lon-Rhodes, world Gold control, Diamond control, and the same guys run THE Big 6 (Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, and BAES). Oh yeah.

In Europe and America, monetary policy, although formally under State jurisdiction, is controlled by the private banking sector.
The European Central Bank based in Frankfurt is overseen by Germany’s largest banks and businesses.
The U.S. Federal Reserve Board is formally under State supervision with a close relationship to the U.S. Treasury. The 12 Federal Reserve banks (of which the Federal Reserve Bank of New York is the most important) are controlled by their shareholders, which are mainly private banks.

In other words, "the Fed" which is responsible for monetary policy and hence money creation for the nation, is actually run by ... Wall Street. Literally.

These viscious bastards have the chance to change the methods and control of global money. A huge victory for the US$ and the American Empire.

That's your New World Order!

It's so neat and clear, precise and inevitable; but this took some planning.

"Run the worlds banks as a by-product of saving your own dollar's ass through massive military operations to control oil, initiated by the planned 9.11 event"


All for the greater good?
Treason and mass murder?
Yup.


This is the point where you sit back and wonder: "9.11 so I can keep my house and car and pension? Hmmm. Should I just keep my mouth shut?".

Quite the screwup, though, this is the first time anyone actually caught them at one of these world-history-altering operations.. Still ... no loose-lips, yet ! No loose-bladders, yet..


But that's the end of the money trail, as far as I can tell, Wall St.... It comes right back to Manhattan. (ohh the horrible irony)


Who?...well at least you've got a Zip code to go on...


Keep buying gold folks.


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QUOTE (HallowsEve @ May 22 2006, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (EOR @ May 22 2006, 05:40 PM)


Perhaps this thread makes people think that whoever did 911 did a good thing. Without a doubt, good things came out of 911, for both sides.

Whatever the case, this thread needs a bump.

Name anything good that came from 9/11.

If you are referring to the staving off of financial collapse then 9/11 only supplied a band-aid to that inevitable outcome. How many state sponsored attacks will be too many to justify shoring up the pathetic dollar?

I will agree this thread needs a big bump so people will continue educating themselves on why we have terrorism and why we have these bullshit wars. I will bump for that but not because something good supposedly came from 9/11.

I assume you're in the US. So tell me, what terrorist attacks did you have before 911?

Unless you are in Spain, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Irak, Indonesia, Pakistan, Russia, Chechnya... Africa.. The only terrorism you've had has been on the big screen, and John McClane always saved your ass. How can you educate people about terrorism and bullshit wars when you know nothing about them?

For what everyone gained from these... why are you at these forums? Why would the US gov't murder US citizens? For fun? Why are they blaming the muslims if the muslims have nothing to gain from them? Why would muslims attack US? Why attack Afganistan and Iraq and plan attacks on Iran? For fun? To end what daddy started?

Did you read the original post on this thread?


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Niggle, you are scaring me, are you one of them? hmm.gif laugh.gif
You sure know your facts and words. Another excellent post, thanks.

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QUOTE (EOR @ May 22 2006, 10:00 PM)
I assume you're in the US. So tell me, what terrorist attacks did you have before 911?

Unless you are in Spain, Israel, Palestine, Egypt, Irak, Indonesia, Pakistan, Russia, Chechnya... Africa.. The only terrorism you've had has been on the big screen, and John McClane always saved your ass. How can you educate people about terrorism and bullshit wars when you know nothing about them?

For what everyone gained from these... why are you at these forums? Why would the US gov't murder US citizens? For fun? Why are they blaming the muslims if the muslims have nothing to gain from them? Why would muslims attack US? Why attack Afganistan and Iraq and plan attacks on Iran? For fun? To end what daddy started?

Did you read the original post on this thread?


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For starters prior to 9/11 this country experienced the '93 bombing of the WTC (more state sponsored terrorism) and Oklahoma City Alfred P Murrah Building (more state sponsored terrorism). There are more I can list in this country if you also want to count Coup attempts and successes. And as far as bullshit wars- I think the US has plenty of experience waging those. Specifically Vietnam.

I read the entire thread if I hadn't I wouldn't have commented.

I was misunderstanding your stance. It sounded like you were leaning towards the possibility of 9/11 being a good thing because it saved this country's financial ass. As I said in my comment to Sanders (if you scroll back up you will see it) I suppose I was only thinking of the events that are physically happening to change our world for the worst. I didn't consider the events that are happening below the surface -meaning the realization that all of us and others have and are coming to as being a good thing.

I now understand what you meant when you stated some benefcial things came from 9/11 such as more Americans waking up to what aspects of our government and private sector are pulling under our noses.

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EOR,

by george I think he's got it!

Holds water - doesn't it?

Imagine an entire administration literally believing these Means justify the Ends.

...and willing to defend it with their lives...

No - I'm just a rank outsider - but some of them wear an icon on their lapels - watch out for that little white ring of flowers. There are many Sir's in this bunch - both royal and religious awards of merit.

And that's just about enough from me...

Cheers
Niggle

PS: what's a "bump"??
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"bump" to top of the first page of them forums. People tend to check the topics on the first page, forgetting the other pages.

This post of yours might be the most important question and answer on this matter. And since you have put such an effort to answer it thoroughly yet not going into it deeply enough to bore the shit our of ppl...well... it's almost like a piece of art and shouldn't be hidden in the deepest and darkest corner of these forums.


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...Thanks again...

Well the only thing to do now is wait for the new Iranian front to open up.

This is really going to piss off the Russians and most of Europe - the Japanese and Chinese can handle it - the Brits stand to profit whichever way the petrodollar tumbles.
Possibly forming a rift irrepairably damaging the US but nonetheless securing the US$ and taking the Euopean banks out of the picture.
Will they fight? Naw. They can't figure out who the bad guys are either.

But how ? The jugernaut can't slow down in the time period. What to do next?

Placing bets on: Discovery of weapons shipments into Iran
Seizing incriminating assets abroad.
Discovery of Iranian WMD's (naw)
New intelligence and counterintelligence
Another massive psy-op or new 9.11
Israeli first strike or retaliation
US first strike or invasion following new gulf crisis

Stay tuned folks...
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Hi Team

Here's a guy who knows how to follow the money (Realvideo):

http://www.indybay.org/uploads/history_of_oil.ram

...on this page:

http://www.thedossier.ukonline.co.uk/video_iraqwar.htm

We must have played this thing 20 times... it is absolutely spot-on. We are trying to get Robert Newman on one of our anarchistic TV shows (Australia). You can also get a high quality copy via bittorrent.

Cheers from OZ

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QUOTE (Niggle @ May 22 2006, 09:46 PM)
-US Empire is built on the dollar and it's unique tie to oil
-US$ and petrodollar future in jeopardy if EUR$ becomes a petrodollar
-Iraq on 2003 schedule for change from US$ to EUR$, Iran on 2006 schedule
-Certain US depression if debt not controlled and US$ strength not secured
-Global efficiencies point to lower petrol useage, require higher oil prices for profits
-Quadrillions of dollars in oil transfers in US$'s make it the global fiat currency
-Collapse of US real-estate, markets and gdp imminent, only strong US$ will stop it
-Spending US$ on massive level bouys economy and US$, internal arms race
-Biggest creditor is Saudi, loans up $4Trillion since 9.11
-Securing largest world oil reserves akin to giving them to Saudis
-Tie the operation to a debt forgiveness program long term
-Pay off debt through oil credits, ongoing bouying of US$ through control of wells
-Nobbling and leaving oilwells at low productivity great for Saudis also
-Saudi wealth is petrodollar growth is US$ growth equals ongoing world power
-Need to mobilize military to secure oilwells or find alternative to devalue EUR$
-Public sentiment for unjustified invasion totally negative as is world's
-Troops and public need to be united for invasion and ongoing military operations
-9.11 planned and executed as necessary Pearl Harbour event to enrage public
-9.11 launches military-economy and wartime measures powers still ongoing
-Public sentiment positive for worldwide retaliation and internal change
-Public unified and deem new society and finance bills acceptable
-Afghanistan provides control of pipelines and ports to Russia/China
-WMD's cover up petrodollar crisis/motive
-Massive spending, increased debt, dollar stabilized, Saudi profits soar
-Mobilized and growing military deployed in middle east
-Iraq wells nobbled and secured and trading in US$
-Iraq oil traffic controlled by US security council, anglo american, bp - gottit!
-Ongoing 9.11 terror distraction justifies ongoing military expansion
-Iranian oil boyse still on a countdown to convert to EUR$
-Saudi+Iraq+Iran wells ~70% global oil = control in europe and beyond
-Iran currently not controlled
-Speculation on method to mobilize into Iran: new 9.11? nuclear? misinformation? ?
- One way or another Europe's banks and military will become US controlled

A very nice summary, Niggle. Everything loops back to money and it's exactly what I've been looking at. The only reason we're trying to screw with Iran right now is because they are trying to sell their oil for Euros.

That's why the US is scared shitless of Iran developing nuclear power. If it does so, they can't pull an operation "Free Iraq" on Iran and try to reform their government.

Our economy is almost completely based on universal trade, if Iran starts selling oil for Euros and people start buying, our dollar turns to crap. It isn't backed by any precious metal so the current money is fiat.

Iran, Venezuela and Korea are currently the only countries who America has no control over. They've stopped trades to Venezuela in hopes of starving that country just like they did previously with Cuba. Russia is also a country they can't control. It's exactly why we keep lashing out at these countries. There is a consistent pattern with countries who oppose being controlled economically and having bad relationships with the US.

I agree completely with your post. salute.gif

"Keep buying gold folks."

Exactly, this fiat money is bound to fail. Put your money on gold, silver or platinum.. Precious metals that have value.

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shyte, third page...


*Bump*


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