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Can't decide if I'm more impressed with Niggle or Newman.

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Posted: May 27 2006, 12:54 AM


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Well thanks - all,

not much more to add than the earlier posts which lay out:

Motive
US$ petrodollar status threat Iraq & Iran
No petrodollar+debt=US depression, probable war
Petrodollar = American Empire, at serious threat with EUR$ dominance
Domestic damage of $0.30US would cripple markets, real estate, depression
War against Eur$ and banks winnable by Euros
Analysis of threat = US accelerated economic collapse
No US presence in middle east since Shah of Iran
Depression scenario studies back up petrodollar threat
Anti-Depression strategy requires huge US$ proliferation
Security of USPetroDollar$ #1 threat
US debt link to Saudi split petrodollar profits
Bouying of AngloAmerican alliance and military stock
Multiple add-on motives for insiders
Basic need to re-stabilize US$ with petrodollar
Bonus EuroBank-capture and control with oilfield control

Problem
Decades of evolution to resolve ultimate negative scenario
Pre-emptive military control of wells not possible
Afghanistani pipelines and tanker traffic critical assets
House bills necessary for dollar-war and in-country mobilization
Mobility of all US resources and troops necessary to:
Sieze AngloAmerican resources to pay/bouy US$
Control petrodollar, no more Iraq EUR$ trading, all US$ global liquidity
Control potential military control-zone for oilwell throughout zone
Catalyze change before more costly stronger eurasia seizure
Control Iraqi and Iranian wells and secure to US$ petrodollar
No public support for military seizures
Method to control public and overseas support mechanism uncertain
Game-winning military asset dominance requires global sales
Debt collectors (Saudi/Japan particularly) need payments and US$ strength

Method
Awe and Confusion 9.11 event planning, recruiting, execution
House bills redraw constitutional power defintions
Peal Harbour event linked to first (flow) asset in chain (Afghanistan)
Afghanistan invasion and control of strategic assets
Commence ongoing fear program supporting foreign policy
Link to next (supply) asset in chain (Iraq), WMD link
WMD and 9.11 Iraq invasion connection for public support
Oil flow and trade control reaches 20% with partners strengthening US$
Self-funded business plan grows, extra-departmental integration internally
Bills yield intelligence with political leverage
Military expansion follows threat into next (supply) asset in chain (Iran)

Result
Debt resolution and global monetary creation and control based on US$
Petrodollar future secure through trade control up to actual distribution
US$ security and future growth secure, control=Eur corporate control
Possible war depending on Chinese and Russian cooperation+Europians
Actual jehad results weaken public support stalling or stopping operation
American Empire enters new phase of centrally controlled global expansion

Counter-Result
Illusion discovery (particularly 9.11) leads to public revulsion of plan
Discovery of means dissolves US$ viability - or not, debate on ends justification
Criminal charges and public setiment reaction virtual civil war-event

Conclusion
It is worth catalyzing the American people in order to mobilze and expand the military, controlling the future of the currency internationally for as long as the petrodollar us the fiat currency. Controlling the petrodollar involves controlling and securing the supply points for a significant percentage of crude traffic. Controlling the asian and european distribution points is a strategic first step. Afghanistan is the first control point if any destabilization and control is possible. Iraqi and future Iranian oil transfers in EUR$'s can only be stopped by a misinformation-led invasion rapidly. 9.11 massive event sufficient to retain American morale and support for timed seizure of assets. Iranian control necessary conclusion to operation to secure sufficient asset when combined with partners.


That's about it..

Bastards

Cheers
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QUOTE (MichaelMR @ May 25 2006, 06:42 AM)
QUOTE (Niggle @ May 22 2006, 09:46 PM)
-US Empire is built on the dollar and it's unique tie to oil
-US$ and petrodollar future in jeopardy if EUR$ becomes a petrodollar
-Iraq on 2003 schedule for change from US$ to EUR$, Iran on 2006 schedule
-Certain US depression if debt not controlled and US$ strength not secured
-Global efficiencies point to lower petrol useage, require higher oil prices for profits
-Quadrillions of dollars in oil transfers in US$'s make it the global fiat currency
-Collapse of US real-estate, markets and gdp imminent, only strong US$ will stop it
-Spending US$ on massive level bouys economy and US$, internal arms race
-Biggest creditor is Saudi, loans up $4Trillion since 9.11
-Securing largest world oil reserves akin to giving them to Saudis
-Tie the operation to a debt forgiveness program long term
-Pay off debt through oil credits, ongoing bouying of US$ through control of wells
-Nobbling and leaving oilwells at low productivity great for Saudis also
-Saudi wealth is petrodollar growth is US$ growth equals ongoing world power
-Need to mobilize military to secure oilwells or find alternative to devalue EUR$
-Public sentiment for unjustified invasion totally negative as is world's
-Troops and public need to be united for invasion and ongoing military operations
-9.11 planned and executed as necessary Pearl Harbour event to enrage public
-9.11 launches military-economy and wartime measures powers still ongoing
-Public sentiment positive for worldwide retaliation and internal change
-Public unified and deem new society and finance bills acceptable
-Afghanistan provides control of pipelines and ports to Russia/China
-WMD's cover up petrodollar crisis/motive
-Massive spending, increased debt, dollar stabilized, Saudi profits soar
-Mobilized and growing military deployed in middle east
-Iraq wells nobbled and secured and trading in US$
-Iraq oil traffic controlled by US security council, anglo american, bp - gottit!
-Ongoing 9.11 terror distraction justifies ongoing military expansion
-Iranian oil boyse still on a countdown to convert to EUR$
-Saudi+Iraq+Iran wells ~70% global oil = control in europe and beyond
-Iran currently not controlled
-Speculation on method to mobilize into Iran: new 9.11? nuclear? misinformation? ?
- One way or another Europe's banks and military will become US controlled

A very nice summary, Niggle. Everything loops back to money and it's exactly what I've been looking at. The only reason we're trying to screw with Iran right now is because they are trying to sell their oil for Euros.

That's why the US is scared shitless of Iran developing nuclear power. If it does so, they can't pull an operation "Free Iraq" on Iran and try to reform their government.

Our economy is almost completely based on universal trade, if Iran starts selling oil for Euros and people start buying, our dollar turns to crap. It isn't backed by any precious metal so the current money is fiat.

Iran, Venezuela and Korea are currently the only countries who America has no control over. They've stopped trades to Venezuela in hopes of starving that country just like they did previously with Cuba. Russia is also a country they can't control. It's exactly why we keep lashing out at these countries. There is a consistent pattern with countries who oppose being controlled economically and having bad relationships with the US.

I agree completely with your post. salute.gif

"Keep buying gold folks."

Exactly, this fiat money is bound to fail. Put your money on gold, silver or platinum.. Precious metals that have value.

Yeah, well, you know what they say:

"You can lead a horse to water....

.... but it's hard getting him into the swim trunks."

!!



The #1 burning question, for me, is Can These Ends ever truly justify the Means...




...and who will start to confess before they meet their maker...




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Posted: Jun 21 2006, 04:52 AM


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QUOTE (Niggle @ May 27 2006, 12:54 AM)
Well thanks - all,

not much more to add than the earlier posts which lay out:

Motive
US$ petrodollar status threat Iraq & Iran
No petrodollar+debt=US depression, probable war
Petrodollar = American Empire, at serious threat with EUR$ dominance
Domestic damage of $0.30US would cripple markets, real estate, depression
War against Eur$ and banks winnable by Euros
Analysis of threat = US accelerated economic collapse
No US presence in middle east since Shah of Iran
Depression scenario studies back up petrodollar threat
Anti-Depression strategy requires huge US$ proliferation
Security of USPetroDollar$ #1 threat
US debt link to Saudi split petrodollar profits
Bouying of AngloAmerican alliance and military stock
Multiple add-on motives for insiders
Basic need to re-stabilize US$ with petrodollar
Bonus EuroBank-capture and control with oilfield control

Problem
Decades of evolution to resolve ultimate negative scenario
Pre-emptive military control of wells not possible
Afghanistani pipelines and tanker traffic critical assets
House bills necessary for dollar-war and in-country mobilization
Mobility of all US resources and troops necessary to:
Sieze AngloAmerican resources to pay/bouy US$
Control petrodollar, no more Iraq EUR$ trading, all US$ global liquidity
Control potential military control-zone for oilwell throughout zone
Catalyze change before more costly stronger eurasia seizure
Control Iraqi and Iranian wells and secure to US$ petrodollar
No public support for military seizures
Method to control public and overseas support mechanism uncertain
Game-winning military asset dominance requires global sales
Debt collectors (Saudi/Japan particularly) need payments and US$ strength

Method
Awe and Confusion 9.11 event planning, recruiting, execution
House bills redraw constitutional power defintions
Peal Harbour event linked to first (flow) asset in chain (Afghanistan)
Afghanistan invasion and control of strategic assets
Commence ongoing fear program supporting foreign policy
Link to next (supply) asset in chain (Iraq), WMD link
WMD and 9.11 Iraq invasion connection for public support
Oil flow and trade control reaches 20% with partners strengthening US$
Self-funded business plan grows, extra-departmental integration internally
Bills yield intelligence with political leverage
Military expansion follows threat into next (supply) asset in chain (Iran)

Result
Debt resolution and global monetary creation and control based on US$
Petrodollar future secure through trade control up to actual distribution
US$ security and future growth secure, control=Eur corporate control
Possible war depending on Chinese and Russian cooperation+Europians
Actual jehad results weaken public support stalling or stopping operation
American Empire enters new phase of centrally controlled global expansion

Counter-Result
Illusion discovery (particularly 9.11) leads to public revulsion of plan
Discovery of means dissolves US$ viability - or not, debate on ends justification
Criminal charges and public setiment reaction virtual civil war-event

Conclusion
It is worth catalyzing the American people in order to mobilze and expand the military, controlling the future of the currency internationally for as long as the petrodollar us the fiat currency. Controlling the petrodollar involves controlling and securing the supply points for a significant percentage of crude traffic. Controlling the asian and european distribution points is a strategic first step. Afghanistan is the first control point if any destabilization and control is possible. Iraqi and future Iranian oil transfers in EUR$'s can only be stopped by a misinformation-led invasion rapidly. 9.11 massive event sufficient to retain American morale and support for timed seizure of assets. Iranian control necessary conclusion to operation to secure sufficient asset when combined with partners.


That's about it..

Bastards

Cheers
Niggle

Here's my guess --- they figured that 9/11 truth would come out, and have already figured how to leverage THAT for more money, too.....!

these guys are not rookies!
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Posted: Jun 27 2006, 03:24 PM


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QUOTE (jdyolam @ Jun 21 2006, 04:52 AM)
QUOTE (Niggle @ May 27 2006, 12:54 AM)
Well thanks - all,

not much more to add than the earlier posts which lay out:

Motive
US$ petrodollar status threat Iraq & Iran
No petrodollar+debt=US depression, probable war
Petrodollar = American Empire, at serious threat with EUR$ dominance
Domestic damage of $0.30US would cripple markets, real estate, depression
War against Eur$ and banks winnable by Euros
Analysis of threat = US accelerated economic collapse
No US presence in middle east since Shah of Iran
Depression scenario studies back up petrodollar threat
Anti-Depression strategy requires huge US$ proliferation
Security of USPetroDollar$ #1 threat
US debt link to Saudi split petrodollar profits
Bouying of AngloAmerican alliance and military stock
Multiple add-on motives for insiders
Basic need to re-stabilize US$ with petrodollar
Bonus EuroBank-capture and control with oilfield control

Problem
Decades of evolution to resolve ultimate negative scenario
Pre-emptive military control of wells not possible
Afghanistani pipelines and tanker traffic critical assets
House bills necessary for dollar-war and in-country mobilization
Mobility of all US resources and troops necessary to:
  Sieze AngloAmerican resources to pay/bouy US$
  Control petrodollar, no more Iraq EUR$ trading, all US$ global liquidity
  Control potential military control-zone for oilwell throughout zone
  Catalyze change before more costly stronger eurasia seizure
  Control Iraqi and Iranian wells and secure to US$ petrodollar
No public support for military seizures
Method to control public and overseas support mechanism uncertain
Game-winning military asset dominance requires global sales
Debt collectors (Saudi/Japan particularly) need payments and US$ strength
 
Method
Awe and Confusion 9.11 event planning, recruiting, execution
House bills redraw constitutional power defintions
Peal Harbour event linked to first (flow) asset in chain (Afghanistan)
Afghanistan invasion and control of strategic assets
Commence ongoing fear program supporting foreign policy
Link to next (supply) asset in chain (Iraq), WMD link
WMD and 9.11 Iraq invasion connection for public support
Oil flow and trade control reaches 20% with partners strengthening US$
Self-funded business plan grows, extra-departmental integration internally
Bills yield intelligence with political leverage
Military expansion follows threat into next (supply) asset in chain (Iran)

Result
Debt resolution and global monetary creation and control based on US$
Petrodollar future secure through trade control up to actual distribution
US$ security and future growth secure, control=Eur corporate control
Possible war depending on Chinese and Russian cooperation+Europians
Actual jehad results weaken public support stalling or stopping operation
American Empire enters new phase of centrally controlled global expansion

Counter-Result
Illusion discovery (particularly 9.11) leads to public revulsion of plan
Discovery of means dissolves US$ viability - or not, debate on ends justification
Criminal charges and public setiment reaction virtual civil war-event

Conclusion
It is worth catalyzing the American people in order to mobilze and expand the military, controlling the future of the currency internationally for as long as the petrodollar us the fiat currency.  Controlling the petrodollar involves controlling and securing the supply points for a significant percentage of crude traffic.  Controlling the asian and european distribution points is a strategic first step. Afghanistan is the first control point if any destabilization and control is possible. Iraqi and future Iranian oil transfers in EUR$'s can only be stopped by a misinformation-led invasion rapidly.  9.11 massive event sufficient to retain American morale and support for timed seizure of assets.  Iranian control necessary conclusion to operation to secure sufficient asset when combined with partners.


That's about it..

Bastards

Cheers
Niggle

Here's my guess --- they figured that 9/11 truth would come out, and have already figured how to leverage THAT for more money, too.....!

these guys are not rookies!



I just dunno about that . ... ie: they are ready for disclosure.

It'd be a Lych Mob - and "they" just can't handle the thought of one of their operations being disclosed.


Still - we're doing the right thing - expose WHAT you can WHEN you can - if just ONE smoking gun in ONE hand can be clearly identified . . . . .

Personally I think they really f*ckked up and it's only a matter of time ..


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Posted: Jun 28 2006, 01:25 AM


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Impressive Niggle. The central bankers wanted war and the Zionist, neocons were the best candidate. That's why they're in power. The central banks make oodles of money by lending currency (not real money) created out of thin air to the govts. they're supposed to be helping. Wars create all kinds of govt. debt. The currency is put into the system by buying govt. debt, thereby devaluing the worth of the currency. From 1930 to now the US $ is worth about 4 cents of its original purchasing power. That's due to currency inflation. And maybe the international banksters want the US to collapse. One of their objectives is to bankrupt the middle class.

BTW. There is no "Euro$" that is a seperate currency from the US $. Just US $'s floating around Europe. The currency of Europe is the "euro." No dollars there. Otherwise, excellent stuff. The petro dollar will be replaced with the petro euro. No doubt about that. And the US and foreign central banks with large US $ holdings will all suffer from that change. That's most of them. Current central bank holdings of dollar assets is about 70% world wide. That's a lot of suffering.

Glad to have found this thread.
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QUOTE (Cary @ Jun 28 2006, 01:25 AM)
Impressive Niggle.  The central bankers wanted war and the Zionist, neocons were the best candidate.  That's why they're in power.  The central banks make oodles of money by lending currency (not real money) created out of thin air to the govts. they're supposed to be helping.  Wars create all kinds of govt. debt.  The currency is put into the system by buying govt. debt, thereby devaluing the worth of the currency.  From 1930 to now the US $ is worth about 4 cents of its original purchasing power.  That's due to currency inflation.  And maybe the international banksters want the US to collapse.  One of their objectives is to bankrupt the middle class.

BTW.  There is no "Euro$" that is a seperate currency from the US $.  Just US $'s floating around Europe.  The currency of Europe is the "euro."  No dollars there.  Otherwise, excellent stuff.  The petro dollar will be replaced with the petro euro.  No doubt about that.  And the US and foreign central banks with large US $ holdings will all suffer from that change. That's most of them.  Current central bank holdings of dollar assets is about 70% world wide.  That's a lot of suffering.

Glad to have found this thread.


Cary,

you gottit man !

PS: it serves well to differentiate the EUR$ in that way - but, yes, you're absolutely right in that there really isn't a currency involved at all!

I do disagree about the motives, though, I think this whole effort has been for US$ survival in the face of "new power" blindsiding the Fed - granted they win either way, but I think it's more of a matter of pride as well as, actually, holding the middle-class together as well as possible.

Yeh the bastards just don't care about suffering - just profit.... they can't help it - it's how the thing is built - I'm sure most of them are really nice guys, they're just missing a major chunk of humanity - surgically removed probably.!.


Time will tell, but the bottom line remains: this Crime WAS perpetrated ......
Never rest.


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So the hole is truly deep and full of self preservation at all costs.

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Edit: With permission, I would like to post this over on my site Niggle, just so its in the eyes of some other people that I care about. (Video game junkies)

I will reference the author and source no doubt.

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I think RANDKILLER is seeing what I see. The truth of 911 will change the mind of humanity. This will be permanent. It is an evolutionary change.
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Feel free - folks - publish and spread the truth ....


Anniversary time again and it's just as shocking now as then - the ends do NOT justify these means.


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You know you're going to lose customers !! I tell ya - I don't think traders and whoever "real people" are, they don't even want to hear any of this..

Which is my real dilema: Why in God's name aren't "the people" listenning to this - the fact our world has been illegally altered by the biggest government in it.....
Damn, if this had happened in Russia there would be no question we'd be up in arms and put a trade boycott on them faster than you know it...

It's probably the ENORMITY of the issue: the reality your own Govt had to deceive everyone in order to mobilize the army for a long term committment - the reality that even if you KNOW the lies are lies you'd better keep your mouth shut...


And then there are the ones who ARE in the know... oh boy - so many in jail, dead, scared, being watched, mysteriously killed - damn I tell you I'd hate to be an anthrax specialist... they're all dead now.

Sigh...

Cheers

I think I'll go out and emigrate somewhere now - anywhere - preferably a LONG way away from this disgusting pile...

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Congratulations, Niggle. salute.gif
I have started my 9/11 research only recently. I was following the same track, but here I've got nothing (yet) to add on the matter. I bet you've seen some of Chomsky or somesuch. I wonder if you've seen "The Atomic Cafe," The propaganda at its most fearsome. Take a peek. After that and reaching some material on Z**n*sm, T*lm*d and the history of false-flag operations I have gone further into the bad scenario, which ends in global nuclear conflict.

Recently we've had an incident with the pope B16 quoting some other pope's remark on the Prophet. The media seem to have taken B16's words out of context or something and there you have it. The Muslims burn churches, murder nuns and priests... Oops.

QUOTE (Niggle @ Sep 20 2006, 04:12 PM)
[...] my real dilema:  Why in God's name aren't "the people" listenning to this - the fact our world has been illegally altered by the biggest government in it... Damn, if this had happened in Russia there would be no question we'd be up in arms and put a trade boycott on them faster than you know it...

It's probably the ENORMITY of the issue:  the reality your own Govt had to deceive everyone in order to mobilize the army for a long term committment - the reality that even if you KNOW the lies are lies you'd better keep your mouth shut...

Yes... with the amount of money in question, every cost is an investment. We're witnessing a regular Orwellian reality (Orweality ?). The universities are all bought (I DON'T F*CK*NG BELIEVE THEY BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING). The Internet is being taken over (vanishing articles, multimedia evidence on the issue). We are expected to exercise doublethink. And ignorance is strength - both ways: the less people know the more power the rulers have, and the more one knows the greater his insecurity.

QUOTE (Niggle @ Sep 20 2006, 04:12 PM)
And then there are the ones who ARE in the know...    oh boy - so many in jail, dead, scared, being watched, mysteriously killed - damn I tell you I'd hate to be an anthrax specialist... they're all dead now.

Creepy. Remember: "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth." -- Adolf Hitler

QUOTE (Niggle @ Sep 20 2006, 04:12 PM)
I think I'll go out and emigrate somewhere now - anywhere - preferably a LONG way away from this disgusting pile...

I was aiming for Tibet. I'm going for a paid vacation on a cruise ship soon (NOT military). Have to make some bucks. But then again - escaping is just as bad as doing nothing.
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Niggle, can you do make this a paper with references? Maybe you'd send it to the Europarliament AND every single person in the UN?

Perspective: does anyone think it possible, in order to save the day, to apply here the John F. Nash equilibrium theory? I don't think there's any use troubling Nash himself with this topic. His condition would get worse, had he heard any conspiracy theory is real. He cannot dwell in any complex pattern or he relapses.
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Ha !!


You know - there's a lot of good writing on this matter - my small contribution is merely to show my support for "the cause".

I've never seen SUCH a cause as this - Short of Nazi Germany I can't thik of a SINGLE human event in recorded history which shows so much CONTEMPT for people...
And that would be if attacked by some foreign power..

Can anyone think of ANYONE (other than Joseph Stalin !) who has committed such obsene attrocity as the "Bush Administration" upon this planet ?


But, hell, this goes all through the military and the adminstration - and if you're NOT in the club: chances are you've been shown an enevelope full of AnthraX


BASTARDS

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