Questions on Whereabouts of plane passengers, any answers?

Hi Tank0oo0 Welcome to the forums

Here's a previous discussion from yesterday or so, which covers this very same topic in the research section.

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...hp?showtopic=23

All the best

LondonEye

Welcome and thanks for joining.

Have you performed a search?

We cover the holes that we can, eventually they will lead to other things. One of the illusive parts is the question of what happened to the people. Until we can address the obvious there may only be speculation. Use your immagination. I have seen videos where Alex Jones said they were gassed which seem logical, easy and non-messy. As time progresses we have uncovered more holes and facts wiping out the official theory and story. There are many knowledgeable people here and if the answer is out there we will be on the forefront.

Here are some more must see videos:

The Great Conpsiracy with Barry Zwicker

BetterBadNews.com

V for Vendetta

Sir! No Sir! is a MUST SEE documentary

Wow, umm how about u give this guy good 9-11 links....not that mess...

How about In Plane Site, 911 Eyewittness...and so on..The ones for beginners...lol...your gonna confuse this poor guy....next you'll be making him sit through Alex Jones...

...lol because I'll leave that job to you kind sir in addition to my "mess".

This post has been edited by chucksheen on May 2 2006, 08:35 AM

Yeah, you need a highly refined BS detector to sit through any Alex Jones/PrisonPlanet psyops. . .

As others have said, it's really just speculation at this point, but this is a pretty interesting article about those missing passengers:

Lots more of that here

JBR

Funny, that.

Ah yes. The people. The proverbial elephant in the room, so to speak. Boy, you'd think this would be a pretty important question for a conspiracy theorist to answer, wouldn't you? The problem is, none of them ever seem to be able to answer it. Don't take my word for it, though. Ask around. Live by the LC creed: do your own research.

I am sorry to tell you that you are correct, there were real people on the planes, and those people on the planes died, along with the hijackers, inside the hijacked airplanes, along with innocent people in their offices in the WTC & Pentagon, and in the case of the WTC rescue workers, on the ground nearby. 2,996 of them died, and there are 2,996 families who grieve their loss every single day.

Source: September 11, 2001 Victims List

Dylan and the CT crowd would have you believe this is all "secondary", though.

That statement is nearly as funny as the 9/11 Commission Report...

You need to do a lot of reading...

Start with "Operation Northwoods" - There you will see a clear plan, to have FBI agents acting as students, these would board a plane as per norm... This would rendezvous with a matching remote piloted drone, where they would perform a "switch"... The plane with the FBI agents (posing as students) would land safely and the empty drone would be blown up... Mock funerals would be given and uproar in the public would prevail - and this was in 1962 !!!

Then we go into the impossible manoeuvres that two of these incompentent pilots supposedly performed...

The possible intent is clear... and with the clear evidence of the obstruction of the investigation, hundreds of ignored questions and key testimonies ommited...

Makes you argument hardly waterproof !!!

And I have not even started on the thermite and controlled demolitions...

Hope that helps a bit...

LondonEye

I've read about Northwoods, and all the rest of it, and there remains not a shred of evidence to support this preposterous and fraudulent fantasy.

Let's keep this thread on-topic. All this business about Northwoods and thermite and controlled demolitions and "impossible maneuvers" has been discussed (and debunked) elsewhere a thousand times. Why don't you address the OP's question?

Where are the people? Seems like a legitimate question to me.

Hi All

There is some very interesting research carried out by our very own "ScaffoldRider" regarding the compensation fund and death register which throw up some very interesting statisitics.

Full Research : http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showtopic=750

These are all things that need to be considered for further investigation.

All the best

LondonEye

Full Research : http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showtopic=750

These are all things that need to be considered for further investigation.

All the best

LondonEye

Where are the people?

dubfan

Please provide sources for the debunking of these...

Pentagon Flight Approach

This was supplied by Nila Sagadevan, an aeronautical engineer and a pilot.

Full Article : http://physics911.net/sagadevan.htm

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WTC2 South Tower Flight Approach

From a senior 757 captain currently flying with one of the airlines involved in 9/11.

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Go on... tell us now that they don't know what they are talking about and you do...

LondonEye

LondonEye to be fair the guy's just asking where the people on the planes went. Proof that the way the planes were flying is impossible does NOT answer his question at all.

Anyway, there seem to be several theories as to where the people on the flights actually went but no one's ever likeley to know what REALLY happened.

With all respects SMBM

He was not...

He made the statement...

...and if the hijackers couldn't fly those planes... then who did ?

LondonEye

With all respects SMBM

He was not...

He made the statement...

LondonEye

Yes, I said that because there's no evidence they died anywhere else, or that they remain alive. And yet there is a mountain of forensic evidence (remains, DNA, grieving relatives, etc) that supports that they died where and when I said they did.

So, again. Where are the people?

Who was piloting the planes ?

If you'd like to discuss the flight skills of the hijackers, I suggest you start a new thread. This thread is for the discussion of where the people went.

ok, ok I'll tell ya....

Some are still are alive (co-conspirators) and some are dead (poor innocent souls - considered collateral damage)... ok now

Please note I am not one of the perps

All the best

LondonEye

And the evidence for some being alive is...what? Which ones?

And your explanation for the recovery of remains for all the passengers on Flight 77 and Pentagon victims (save 1, IIRC) is...what?

And the evidence for some being alive is...what? Which ones?

And your explanation for the recovery of remains for all the passengers on Flight 77 and Pentagon victims (save 1, IIRC) is...what?

Well than, why didnt they find any remains of these hijackers? I guess they were just assumed to be there so its true huh? O yeah they found a bunch of passports and korans and retarded sounding letters that proved they were on there. If it smells and looks like it, it must be...

Common sense doesn't seem all that "common"

This post has been edited by cheansaw on May 5 2006, 07:00 PM

And the evidence for some being alive is...what? Which ones?

And your explanation for the recovery of remains for all the passengers on Flight 77 and Pentagon victims (save 1, IIRC) is...what?

Well than, why didnt they find any remains of these hijackers? I guess they were just assumed to be there so its true huh? O yeah they found a bunch of passports and korans and retarded sounding letters that proved they were on there. If it smells and looks like it, it must be...

Common sense doesn't seem all that "common"

What is the evidence for some of the passengers and crew of Flight 77 not being killed in the attack on the Pentagon?

Right... we need some ground rules...

You are citing the official story as fact... you have no actual proof...

Where I am saying that because it was a "cover-up", the very same source you are relying on is in fact unreliable.

I have shown you previous intent and capability (Operation Northwoods) which fully supports the theory of having drone planes switch with real airliners, whose passengers are in fact FBI agents posing as students.

I have shown you that even if these planes were hijacked (which I don't believe) the hijackers could not have been the actual pilots.

I can show you that the official 9/11 Commission Report is FULL of omissions and distortions... Where hundreds of questions have been ignored and KEY witness testamony has been deliberately ignored.

I rest my case...

All the best

LondonEye

In other words, you don't have any evidence. Thanks for clearing that up.

And the evidence for some being alive is...what? Which ones?

And your explanation for the recovery of remains for all the passengers on Flight 77 and Pentagon victims (save 1, IIRC) is...what?

Well than, why didnt they find any remains of these hijackers? I guess they were just assumed to be there so its true huh? O yeah they found a bunch of passports and korans and retarded sounding letters that proved they were on there. If it smells and looks like it, it must be...

Common sense doesn't seem all that "common"

What is the evidence for some of the passengers and crew of Flight 77 not being killed in the attack on the Pentagon?

I didnt say I had evidence that the passengers didn't die as a matter fact I think all of them died just not in the way you think. My point was that they didnt find hijackers remains, so why do we have everybody's remains but the hijackers. Maybe because there wernt any hijackers?


Also I have no earthly idea how you got that from my statement...

Oh. So you do think they died then. But not in the crash?

Edit: grammar

This post has been edited by dubfan on May 5 2006, 07:33 PM

Oh. So you do think they died then. But not in the crash?

Edit: grammar

For the most part yes. Not everybody here thinks loose change is gospel like you may want to believe. Fact is though not every part of the "theory" has to be proven for it to be a conspiracy. If only a couple parts are right it is still in fact a conspiracy. That goes way beyond 9/11 though. In my opinion 9/11 is not the conspiracy. It is the one event in the conspiracy that actually has good evidence to prove there is one.

Ok. So most of them were killed? And some are alive?

Or, they were all killed, with most dying in the crash, and a few being killed under some other circumstances?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/hijack_suspect..._in_morocco.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix..._terrorists.htm

This post has been edited by Roxdog on May 5 2006, 07:58 PM

Ok. So most of them were killed? And some are alive?

Or, they were all killed, with most dying in the crash, and a few being killed under some other circumstances?

Good lord do you not stop? I said I believe all, yes all, of them died. You really seem to be grasping for straws to "discredit" me for some reason.

If you really want to know what i think happened its this... All of the planes landed at some point in and undisclosed location in Ohio a la Northwoods. At that point I believe they all boarded Flight 93 and then that flight was shot down. It would explain why the total amount of people in the planes would fit in 1 plane. Thing is though I don't really know what happened and it doesn't really matter. Like I said its just one event in the real conspiracy thats been going on for many years.

I really don't have to say much of anything else. You know what I think now only problem is that it makes no difference at all. Your just trying to run me in a circle with my wording and not getting the message I am putting out there.

So all in all I'm through argueing with you.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/fbi_denies_mix..._terrorists.htm

Rox! My friend!

Thank you for those links. They are very interesting. However, they do not even peripherally address the question of where the passengers of Flight 77 are (nor the plane, for that matter, but one thing at a time).

The first link deals with a Saudi man who seems to have shared the same name as one of the hijackers of Flight 11 (one of the WTC flights). This link also seems to be a copy of a page from the BBC website, and not a link to the BBC site itself, which seems a little odd.

The second link concerns the question of whether or not the hijackers used their real identities or fake ones. There is nothing in that article that casts doubt on the fact that Al Qaeda hijackers were behind the attacks. In fact the article says:

Why'd you omit that part in bold, Rox?

The most that can be concluded from these articles is that in 2002 the FBI was not completely certain of the names of all of the hijackers. And even that's a stretch, given the second half of the second article, which you did not quote.

I remain on my quest to discover what happened to the plane and passengers of American Flight 77! Which did not hit the Pentagon!

Edit: to remove big graphic

This post has been edited by dubfan on May 5 2006, 08:19 PM

most articals anymore will be shown as pictures because alot are being taken down. its not odd he did that its smart because he saved a digital copy of the artical. Most of the people on the planes were probly CIA or FBI posing as normal citzens. You can always hire actors to play the roles of the victims families. the united states also owns alot of secret prision in and outside of our country.
the possiablities are endless. what everyone is saying about the passangers is just that, a theory. the planes i know for a fact were not full to there capcity for the types of planes and trips they were taking.
just look that the things that are public and go from there.

And your iron-clad proof is "faith-based reasoning" in the credibility of the Kean report.

In order for evidence to be considered prima facie, it must be unassailable.

The Kean report is hardly that. Even its begrudging fans admit it tends to whitewash and underplay many different aspects of 11-9.

So, where are the people? Hell, who knows. I don't claim to know. Dylan doesn't claim to know. We have an historical document that tells you what *might* have happened to any alleged passengers, but nobody knows anything more than that. Not you, not me, and not London Eye. That's all speculation.

And just because someone (or some entity, like your government) gives you a list of alleged victims in a so-called terrorist attack doesn't necessarily make it so.

Big Brother said Oceania was at war with Eurasia, then the next day said it was Eastasia, and had always been Eastasia.

Was it the statement that made it truth, or the fact that everyone repeated it as gospel?

JBR