Flight 77 Passengers
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Posted: May 19 2006, 01:29 AM


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Most skeptics want to know where are the passengers if flight 77 didn't hit the pentagon, but instead should first ask the question, just who was on that flight? The following well researched article is very interesting...

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/passengers.html



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Posted: May 19 2006, 03:57 PM


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Interesting find I made the other day, not mentioned on that link about one passenger...

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49.  Mari-Rae Sopper, 35, of Santa Barbara, CA,  a lawyer at Schmeltzer Aptaker & Shepardwas and a women's gymnastics coach at the UCSB.

A gifted gymnast, she graduated from Iowa State University and earned a law degree from the University of Denver. In 1996, she moved to Washington, where she joined the Navy Judge Advocate General’s Corps. She later worked for Schmeltzer Aptaker & Shepard, a law firm, and as an assistant gymnastics coach and choreographer at George Washington University.

Mari-Rae was on her way to the school when her plane crashed into the Pentagon.


Here's what I found...


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Having boarded American Airlines Flight 77 at Washington Dulles International Airport early in the morning of September 11, 2001, Mari-Rae Sopper had no idea that she and thousands of other innocents would become part of a national tragedy. Ironically, Mari-Rae had served at the Pentagon during her tenure in the Navy JAG Corps.

http://www.mari-rae.net/9112001.html#dod



And she was buried in Arlington National Cemetery...

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Arlington National Cemetery (October 12, 2001)

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The family gathered at the John F. Kennedy burial site after Mari-Rae’s funeral service.

Our family and several friends gathered for a private service at Arlington National Cemetery, where Mari-Rae was laid to rest. The Navy service was attended by several officials, including the Judge Advocate General, Rear Admiral Donald J. Guter, who spoke individually with family members before the service. Rear Admiral Guter was visibly moved as he presented an American flag to Mari-Rae’s mother during the service.

Family members noted that the Pentagon crash site was clearly visible from the site of the service, and that the service was the first opportunity many had to personally witness the view.


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Posted: May 19 2006, 04:10 PM


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They found identifiable tissue of most of the passengers on the site. If they weren't on the plane, what did they do? Mutilate and burn all their bodies and spread the remains about the crash site?
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Are there any pictures of these remains ? They had no problem showing gruesome pictures of the WTC juming victims, and audio before the collapse so I dont think it is a question of whether the public 'can stomach it"
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There was significant cleanup before anyone took photographs of the inside of the Pentagon, and all that was left of some people was bits of tissue which were identified through DNA.
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QUOTE (Matrix91101 @ May 19 2006, 05:17 PM)
Are there any pictures of these remains ?  They had no problem showing gruesome pictures of the WTC juming victims, and audio before the collapse so I dont think it is a question of whether the public 'can stomach it"

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Sorry. The idiocy here has left me with a very short fuse today.

Think of it as "tough love".

ETA: source: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/


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QUOTE (dubfan @ May 19 2006, 07:16 PM)
QUOTE (Matrix91101 @ May 19 2006, 05:17 PM)
Are there any pictures of these remains ?  They had no problem showing gruesome pictures of the WTC juming victims, and audio before the collapse so I dont think it is a question of whether the public 'can stomach it"

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Sorry. The idiocy here has left me with a very short fuse today.

Think of it as "tough love".

ETA: source: http://www.rcfp.org/moussaoui/

Are those Pentagon victims? Or Flight 77 victims?
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I just had to mention how sad those pictures make me feel, man that is horrible isn't it.
What a way to go sad.gif

Those bodies were found within the pentagon but I can't find who they were meant to actualy be in my notes so I have to assume that wasn't available when I made them, has this info been made available yet and if so could somebody point me at a link if possible?
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If these are from the pentagon they could have been people from inside. Also whats the official story of this full body surviving but titanium not?
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GOD I hate seeing pictures like that!!! Thanks for posting them though it makes me realize what we are up against!! How many people died INSIDE the pentagon? These are three to four people may GOD have mercy on them. You are saying that those are the bodies from the airplane? Are you 100% sure of that claim considering the damage to the WHOLE pentagon the exit holes and such and the no wings, fuseloge, cockpit, huge tubine engines?
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it's exactly this kind of emotional response and misdirection that Michael Ruppert warned against...

those pics are ghastly.

my understanding is that the remains of the Pentagon victims were (controversially) handled separately from those of the passengers. whether there were or were not passenger's tissue/dna found, it would be easy to fake that sort of thing.
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Posted: May 20 2006, 04:39 AM


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Arlington National Cemetery (October 12, 2001)

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The family gathered at the John F. Kennedy burial site after Mari-Rae’s funeral service.

Our family and several friends gathered for a private service at Arlington National Cemetery, where Mari-Rae was laid to rest. The Navy service was attended by several officials, including the Judge Advocate General, Rear Admiral Donald J. Guter, who spoke individually with family members before the service. Rear Admiral Guter was visibly moved as he presented an American flag to Mari-Rae’s mother during the service.

Family members noted that the Pentagon crash site was clearly visible from the site of the service, and that the service was the first opportunity many had to personally witness the view.


Crylol.gif I know I should not make fun of the above photo, but...........

Do any of you's recall anybody you have known in your lifetime being in a Group Photo right after a burial???? Hell...Those folks in above photo have happy face's!!!

Yea, I can see it now...LOL One of my loved ones or co-worker dies... After burial I tell everyone let me take a Group Photo!!!! laugh.gif

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Well I'm sure they wanted of picture at Arlington National Cemetery, and most people naturally smile when a picture is being taken.
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QUOTE (PMF @ May 20 2006, 04:39 AM)
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Crylol.gif I know I should not make fun of the above photo, but...........

Do any of you's recall anybody you have known in your lifetime being in a Group Photo right after a burial????  Hell...Those folks in above photo have happy face's!!!

Yea, I can see it now...LOL  One of my loved ones or co-worker dies... After burial I tell everyone let me take a Group Photo!!!!  laugh.gif



My family has done it several times after a funeral. Mainly because we all live in different areas and are never all in the same place at the same time except for weddings and funerals. I don't see anything out of the ordinary with it.
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Yeah, actually I have been in group photos after a funeral service. Unfortunately it is often a time you see relatives whom you don't often get to see. I smiled a bittersweet smile in them.
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I know I should not make fun of the above photo, but...........

Do any of you's recall anybody you have known in your lifetime being in a Group Photo right after a burial???? Hell...Those folks in above photo have happy face's!!!

Yea, I can see it now...LOL One of my loved ones or co-worker dies... After burial I tell everyone let me take a Group Photo!!!! 


So what are you saying, that them having a group photo gives weight to the argument that it was faked?

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QUOTE ("OmegaPoint")
Re: The unusual passengers on Flight 77...

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/p...es%20Burlingame

And this is also interesting, to say the least.

Feature: The U.S. Government, Not the Hijackers, 'Chose' the Date of
the 9-11 Attacks

by Barbara Honegger

From the start, the Bush Administration has insisted that anything like

the 'planes-as-weapons' scenario of 9-11 was 'unthinkable' before 9-11.
That's a Huge Lie. On Sept. 11, 2001 they had a brand new
counter-terror emergency response plan in place at the Pentagon for
exactly that scenario, and had a counter-terror 'wargame' set to begin
on exactly that scenario that very morning in the nation's capitol.

This brief sets forth the growing reasons to believe that the date for
the attack was not 'chosen' by the hijackers at all, but that one of
them learned that a counter-terror wargame/exercise simulating a
scenario like the one that actually took place on 9-11 was planned for
that morning, and then 'piggybacked' the "real thing" on top of it.
Here are some of the critical 'burning data points':

1) Military aircraft had more than enough time - nearly three quarters
of an hour -- to respond to and intercept the 9-11 Pentagon plane after
all key decision makers were 100% certain the Twin Tower hits had been
terrorist attacks and that Flight 77 had also been hijacked, but didn't
do so 'in time'. This is beyond comprehension over the nation's capital
unless some previous piece of information or mental set led them to
assume the Pentagon plane could not be a terrorist vehicle, or at least
confuse them as to whether it was or not. If those looking on from
inside the Pentagon as 9-11 unfolded believed flight 77 was, or might
be, part of a "Red Team" counter-terror exercise set for that very
morning, it would explain the otherwise incompre- hensible delay,
almost to the point of paralysis, in effectively scrambling
interceptors.

2) For the above to be the case, an actual counter-terrorist
simulation/wargame/exercise had to have been planned for that very
morning, 9-11. More specifically, it would have had to have been a
counter-terrorist wargame involving the same or a very similar scenario
as what actually began to take place - i.e. a plane or planes crashing
into a building or buildings in the Washington, D.C. area.

3) The above, in fact, did happen. On Aug. 22, 2002 Associated Press
ran the following story (version carried in AirDisaster.com): "Top US
Intelligence Agency was to simulate plane crash into gov't bldg. on
September 11, 2001. U.S. intgelli- gence agency was planning an
exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one
of its buildings. Full story at:
http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0802/22/news.shtml

4) After reading the above article about NRO's planned 9-11 exercise on
a scenario similar to what actually happened that morning, I was
certain that the 'revelation' was a 'partial hangout' - i.e. that other
federal agencies in the D.C. area, both military and civilian, also had
'wargames' on the plane-into-building scenario scheduled for the
morning of 9-11.

5) A search of the Washington Post and New York Times for the week
after 9-11 revealed the following amazing facts, which require the
context provided by 3) and 4) above to be meaningful:

The Washington Post reported on 9/16/01 that the original pilot of
Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon, former F-4 fighter pilot Charles
Burlingame had, in his last Navy job developing anti-terror strategies
for the Navy before retiring to fly for American Airlines, drafted the
Pentagon's emergency response plan in case it was hit by a civilian
airliner. Also that, on the morning of 9-11, Pentagon medic Matt
Rosenberg was in the health clinic on Corridor 8 "grateful for an
uninterrupted hour
in which he could study a new medical emergency disaster plan based on
the unlikely scenario of an airplane crashing into the Pentagon."
Clearly, the disaster plan Rosenberg was reading just before
Burlingame's plane hit the Navy Command Center was part of the very
plan Burlingame himself had put together.

Precisely what the above means in the context of the counter- terror
'wargame' planned for that very morning with the full knowledge of key
personnel in the military and CIA (NRO, the one agency which, so far,
has acknowledged having a plane-into-bldg. simulation on 9-11 is
staffed by military and CIA personnel) is not yet clear, but one thing
is certain. It is absolutely and completely beyond coincidence.

6) With this new context, we can now see why the leak of the exact
wording (not the fact of, which had already been reported in the
Washington Times two weeks after 9-11) of a Sept. 10, 2001 NSA
intercept so worried and infuriated Vice President Cheney that he
demanded an FBI investigation of members of the House and Senate Intel
Committee Joint 9-11 investigation to determine who might have leaked
it. That key intercept between the leader of the the 9-11 hijackers,
Mohammad Atta, and the 'mastermind' of the 9-11 plot, Khalid Sheikh
Mohammad, said: "The Match is about to begin. Tomorrow (i.e. 9-11) is
zero hour." "Match", of course, is what you would expect if the speaker
were referring to his discovery of the date that the U.S. Gov't had
selected to conduct its counter-terror simulation/exercise on the
scenario of plane(s) crashing into gov't buildings - one that was about
to turn very real when the terrorists 'piggybacked' their long-planned
plot onto it. On 9-10-02, Knight Ridder reported that U.S. intelligence
officials now believe that in that critical "Match" call, Khalid Sheikh
Mohammed gave Atta coded approval for the four teams of hijackers to
proceed. On the contrary, given the new context in which this all
finally begins to make sense, Atta was merely communicating to his
boss, or visa versa, the date that the U.S. gov't exercise was to take
place. Bin al Shibh, Atta, and Mohammad didn't 'choose the date'. The
U.S. Government did.

This also explains the choice of date for the attack, which was the
date chosen for the 'emergency' preparedness exercise. 9-11 is U.S.
abbreviation for 'emergency', and that's precisely the kind of code
name the military and intel communities like to give their 'exercises'.
Islamic radicals, rather, choose significant anniversary dates for
their attacks - such as Aug. 7 for the twin bombings of the U.S.
embassies in Africa. To bin Laden and his followers, Aug. 7 is their
"Pearl Harbor" anniversary - the day U.S. troops, then under orders
from first President Bush's Secretary of Defense Cheney, landed in
Saudi Arabia following Saddam Hussein's Aug. 2, 1990 invasion of
Kuwait. I've checked ten years of back papers: Sept. 11 is not among
the 'anniversary' dates for radical Islamicists. They didn't choose it.
(President Bush is also keenly aware of Aug. 7 as the key 'anniversary'
date in bin Laden's mind -- that's why he requested the one brief he
was given before 9-11 on possible terror attacks on the U.S. mainland,
held at his Texas ranch, the day before -- Aug. 6, 2001).

7) We also now know why it was Vice President Cheney who was so upset
that the content of the "Match" call was made public. Now, someone
might figure out that it was he - having been charged by President Bush
on May 8, 2001 (Time magazine) to lead a high-level task force to
identify the US's vulnerabilities to domestic terrorist attack and
figure out ways to fix them -- who was 'in charge' of the
'plane(s)-into-building(s)' counter-terror 'exercise' the morning of
Sept. 11. That's why he was in the White House Sit Room; and why
President Bush kept reading to grammar school kids in Florida long
after he should have instantly broken it off to perform his emergency
duties as Commander-in-Chief. The reason was that Bush 'knew' - or
thought he knew - that it was 'just a game.'

8) Finally, for all of this to 'work', the bad guys had to have at
least one person among them who had fooled U.S. intelligence into
believing that he was 'one of us.' That person, almost certainly, is
Khalid Shaikh Muhammed -- the only person about whom all information is still classified, even his name, even though reams have already been
written about him in the open press. He is also the only living 9-11
operative still at large. And for good reason. Vice President Cheney,
President Bush, CIA Director Tenet, CIA officer and chief of NRO's
strategic gaming division for their 9-11 'plane-into-building'
exercise, John Fulton, and all the others who were so stupid as to risk
thousands of innocent American lives on the bet that their star
'informant', Khalid Sheikh Muhammed had really been 'turned' -- don't
want him to talk about what he knows. And he knows a lot. On Sept. 10,
2002, Knight Ridder quoted a top U.N. counter-terror expert that
Mohammad is probably also the only person who has all the pieces to the
9-11 puzzle. Not surprisingly, CIA Director Tenet has also classified
all information about what President Bush, Vice President Cheney,
Condolezza Rice, and everyone else at the White House were told about
Khalid Sheikh Muhammed.

9) It's time for the Joint House/Senate Intelligence Committee 9-11
investigation, and the future independent 9-11 investigation, to insist
on any time, any where, on demand surprise searches of all Bush Admin.
files on 9-11. This, after all, is the Administration that insisted
that anything like the 'planes as weapons' scenario of 9-11 was
'unthinkable' before 9-11. Right. They had a brand new counter-terror
emergency plan in place at the Pentagon for exactly that scenario, and
had a counter-terror 'wargame' set to begin on exactly that scenario
that very morning. Just couldn't imagine. Because putting together
counter-terror exercises like the one that was to take place the
morning of 9-11 in the nation's capitol was precisely the right thing
to do, the fact that everyone in the Administration from the President
on down has so completely lied about it shows that they have something
terrible, indeed, to hide. In this brief, we've begun to discern its
shape.

P.S. Prof. John Arquilla, an information warfare and Special Operations
expert at the Naval Postgraduate School, told The Monterey Herald
(7/18/02): "The idea of such an attack (like 9-11) was well known. It
had been wargamed as a possibility in exercises before Sept. 11, 2001."

Honegger, Barbara. Author, "October Surprise". New York: Tudor, 1989.
323 pages.
California-based Barbara Honegger worked as a researcher at the Hoover
Institution, then joined the Reagan team as a researcher and policy
analyst in 1980. By 1983 she had become disillusioned and resigned, but
her "love" for Reagan kept her from pursuing this story until after he
left office. Actually she began leaking the story in mid-1987 after
Iran-contra had become a household word; one suspects that it wouldn't
have gotten far before then. "October Surprise" refers to the evidence
that the Reagan campaign cut a secret (and treasonous) deal with Iran
to delay the release of the American hostages, in order to keep
President Carter from arranging a surprise release in October and
winning the November election.
This book broke considerable ground on this story, which became much
richer in detail over the following years. As this is being written in
May 1992, new sources have come forward (Ari Ben-Menashe), other
sources have been discredited (Richard Brenneke), and Congress is
investigating. Honegger and her loose circle of supporters (which
includes the LaRouche organization) have made a definite contribution,
but by now they may be victims -- either of their own success or of
deliberate disinformation or both. October Surprise sources comprise a
who's who of sleaze and spookery; paranoia and suspicion abound and it
becomes difficult to know whom or what to believe. It's a tall order
for anyone, especially the U.S. Congress.
ISBN 0-944276-46-6
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QUOTE (grammatoncleric @ Jun 8 2006, 07:07 PM)
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I know I should not make fun of the above photo, but...........

Do any of you's recall anybody you have known in your lifetime being in a Group Photo right after a burial???? Hell...Those folks in above photo have happy face's!!!

Yea, I can see it now...LOL One of my loved ones or co-worker dies... After burial I tell everyone let me take a Group Photo!!!! 


So what are you saying, that them having a group photo gives weight to the argument that it was faked?

I believe that no one died on Flight 77 (certainly not in the CRASH, there may have been innocent passengers on board, as well as some co-conspirators, what happened to them can only be speculation).


Flight 77 was a Pentagon flyover and landed at Reagan airport... Crylol.gif


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Performed by ace pilot Burlingame, above is his Flight Path!

More Info : http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb...=reagan+flyover

Note, one plane is listed as landing at Reagan airport that morning the exact time as listed for the attack time.

One plane landed at 09:39 and that was tail number N644AW, flight 77's tail number was N644AA.

For the record, unless the Pentagon have very poor timekeeping / clock maintenance why did this clock stop at 09:31, what happened then.

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I know, just another 9/11 coincedence !!


This is why Cheney was telling the young officer to hold fire on the incoming aircraft (see Norman Minetta's testimony) which the 9/11 commission lied about, saying that Cheney did not get down to the executive command bunker under the whitehouse until 10:00, when Minetta states he was already there when he went down at 09:20.


Or do you think Hani Hanjour could have flown this approach at 400+ knots per hour between 20-6 feet of the ground... and that's after a 330 degree spiralled turn dropping 7000 feet in 2 minutes and still had the audacity to turn off his transponder during the turn hmm.gif

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More Info : http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb...ght=flight+path


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You can hear the thoughts of an aeronautical engineer / commercial pilot on Hani's impossible manouvres here (right click / save as):

http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Greg/0511/20051122_Tue_Greg1.mp3

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Below is a VERY interesting article by Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D, an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist.

Source : http://www.physics911.net/olmsted.htm

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Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

The following list of passengers was gathered from many sources posted on the Internet:

Dong Lee, Ruben Ornedo, and Chad Keller all worked for Boeing. Lee also worked for the NSA. Stanley Hall, "the dean of electronic warfare," (along with Peter Gay, David Kolvacin, and Kenneth Waldie on other flights), worked for Raytheon.

William Caswell was a particle physicist who worked for the Navy. His job was so classified that his family had no clue as to what he did and did not know why he was flying to California.

Charles Droz, LCDR USN Ret, was a software developer for EM solutions (manufacturer of Wide Area Networks).

Robert Penniger worked for BAE Systems, ("an industry leader in flight control systems"), whose Board is comprised of many from the intelligence community. BAE has apparently removed their Board of Directors page, but it list a "who's who" of high level connections to the CIA, DARPA, and NSA. (See the appendix for a list of outside directors of BAE Systems that were not on Flight 77.)

Robert Ploger and his wife were added "late" to the original CNN passenger list. He is the son of Major General Robert R Ploger USA, Ret, another "flag" link. The other "late" addition was Sandra Teague, a physical therapist at Georgetown University Hospital.

John Sammartino and Leonard Taylor worked at Xontech (missile defense), another company connected to the intelligence community, also with ties to Boeing.

Vicki Yancey worked for Vreedenberg Corp, yet another company connected to the intelligence community. Her father describes her death as a "planned murder." Her widower works for Northrup-Grumman.

Mary Jane Booth was in a position to know what was going on at Dulles Airport as secretary for American Airlines general manager.

John Yamnicky, 71, Capt USN Ret, was a defense contractor for Veridian who had done a number of "black ops," according to his son.

The physicians, lawyers, biotech representatives, and "human interest" victims who were aboard, could also provide important clues, but in the interest of space, we will save them for future consideration.



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Below is the official passenger and crew list for flight 77 (64 people aboard)...

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CREW


Charles Burlingame of Herndon, Virginia, was the plane's captain. He is survived by a wife, a daughter and a grandson. He had more than 20 years of experience flying with American Airlines and was a former U.S. Navy pilot.

David Charlebois, who lived in Washington's Dupont Circle neighborhood, was the first officer on the flight. "He was handsome and happy and very centered," his neighbor Travis White, told The Washington Post. "His life was the kind of life I wanted to have some day."

Michele Heidenberger of Chevy Chase, Maryland, was a flight attendant for 30 years. She left behind a husband, a pilot, and a daughter and son.

Flight attendant Jennifer Lewis, 38, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the wife of flight attendant Kenneth Lewis.

Flight attendant Kenneth Lewis, 49, of Culpeper, Virginia, was the husband of flight attendant Jennifer Lewis.

Renee May, 39, of Baltimore, Maryland, was a flight attendant.


PASSENGERS


Paul Ambrose, 32, of Washington, was a physician who worked with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the surgeon general to address racial and ethnic disparities in health. A 1995 graduate of Marshall University School of Medicine, Ambrose last year was named the Luther Terry Fellow of the Association of Teachers of Preventative Medicine.

Yeneneh Betru, 35, was from Burbank, California.

M.J. Booth

Bernard Brown, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Suzanne Calley, 42, of San Martin, California, was an employee of Cisco Systems Inc.

William Caswell

Sarah Clark, 65, of Columbia, Maryland, was a sixth-grade teacher at Backus Middle School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Asia Cottom, 11, was a student at Backus Middle School in Washington. Asia was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

James Debeuneure, 58, of Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was a fifth-grade teacher at Ketcham Elementary School in Washington. He was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Rodney Dickens, 11, was a student at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. He was embarking on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Eddie Dillard

Charles Droz

Barbara Edwards, 58, of Las Vegas, Nevada, was a teacher at Palo Verde High School in Las Vegas.

Charles S. Falkenberg, 45, of University Park, Maryland, was the director of research at ECOlogic Corp., a software engineering firm. He worked on data systems for NASA and also developed data systems for the study of global and regional environmental issues. Falkenburg was traveling with his wife, Leslie Whittingham, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3.

Zoe Falkenberg, 8, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Dana Falkenberg, 3, of University Park, Maryland, was the daughter of Charles Falkenberg and Leslie Whittingham.

Joe Ferguson was the director of the National Geographic Society's geography education outreach program in Washington. He was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. A Mississippi native, he joined the society in 1987. "Joe Feguson's final hours at the Geographic reveal the depth of his commitment to one of the things he really loved," said John Fahey Jr., the society's president. "Joe was here at the office until late Monday evening preparing for this trip. It was his goal to make this trip perfect in every way."

Wilson "Bud" Flagg of Millwood, Virginia, was a retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot.

Dee Flagg

Richard Gabriel

Ian Gray, 55, of Washington was the president of a health-care consulting firm.

Stanley Hall, 68, was from Rancho Palos Verdes, California.

Bryan Jack, 48, of Alexandria, Virginia, was a senior executive at the Defense Department.

Steven D. "Jake" Jacoby, 43, of Alexandria, Virginia, was the chief operating officer of Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company.

Ann Judge, 49, of Virginia was the travel office manager for the National Geographic Society. She was accompanying a group of students and teachers on an educational trip to the Channel Islands in California. Society President John Fahey Jr. said one of his fondest memories of Judge is a voice mail she and a colleague once left him while they were rafting the Monkey River in Belize. "This was quintessential Ann -- living life to the fullest and wanting to share it with others," he said.

Chandler Keller, 29, was a Boeing propulsion engineer from El Segundo, California.

Yvonne Kennedy

Norma Khan, 45, from Reston, Virginia was a nonprofit organization manager.

Karen A. Kincaid, 40, was a lawyer with the Washington firm of Wiley Rein & Fielding. She joined the firm in 1993 and was part of the its telecommunications practice. She was married to Peter Batacan.

Norma Langsteuerle

Dong Lee

Dora Menchaca, 45, of Santa Monica, California, was the associate director of clinical research for a biotech firm.

Christopher Newton, 38, of Anaheim, California, was president and chief executive officer of Work-Life Benefits, a consultation and referral service. He was married and had two children. Newton was on his way back to Orange County to retrieve his family's yellow Labrador, who had been left behind until they could settle into their new home in Arlington, Virginia.

Barbara Olson, 45, was a conservative commentator who often appeared on CNN and was married to U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson. She twice called her husband as the plane was being hijacked and described some details, including that the attackers were armed with knives. She had planned to take a different flight, but she changed it at the last minute so that she could be with her husband on his birthday. She worked as an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee in the mid-1990s and later worked on the staff of Senate Minority Whip Don Nickles.

Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles, California, was a Boeing propulsion engineer.

Robert Penniger, 63, of Poway, California, was an electrical engineer with BAE Systems.

Lisa Raines, 42, was senior vice president for government relations at the Washington office of Genzyme, a biotechnology firm. She was from Great Falls, Virginia, and was married to Stephen Push. She worked with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration on developing a new policy governing cellular therapies, announced in 1997. She also worked on other major health-care legislation.

Todd Reuben, 40, of Potomac, Maryland, was a tax and business lawyer.

John Sammartino

Diane Simmons

George Simmons

Mari-Rae Sopper of Santa Barbara, California, was a women's gymnastics coach at the University of California at Santa Barbara. She had just gotten the post August 31 and was making the trip to California to start work.

Bob Speisman, 47, was from Irvington, New York.

Hilda Taylor was a sixth-grade teacher at Leckie Elementary School in Washington. She was accompanying a student on an educational trip to the Channel Islands National Marine Sanctuary near Santa Barbara, California, as part of a program funded by the National Geographic Society.

Leonard Taylor was from Reston, Virginia.

Leslie A. Whittington, 45, was from University Park, Maryland. The professor of public policy at Georgetown University in Washington was traveling with her husband, Charles Falkenberg, 45, and their two daughters, Zoe, 8, and Dana, 3. They were traveling to Los Angeles to catch a connection to Australia. Whittington had been named a visiting fellow at Australian National University in Canberra.

John Yamnicky, 71, was from Waldorf, Maryland.

Vicki Yancey

Shuyin Yang

Yuguag Zheng




This whole thing stinks and needs a FULL and COMPREHENSIVE inquiry where ALL ignored questions and omitted testamonies are properly addressed...

All the best

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I am not convinced that the actual flt 77 was the fly-over craft.. if there indeed was one.

I think that all of the passengers on 77 *(if it ever took off as per bts website)
are dead.

to leave ANY alive would leave loose threads and ends. just a hunch.. if you have good data (NOT tomflocco.com) to back up the 'passengers alive' thing, let me know.

be aware also that the passengers , as such, may have never boarded 77, or at least weren't aboard plane. see team8plus dissection of flight 11 for the basic model of plane-theft and plane swap.
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There is some great BTS Data Base work over at letsroll by a guy named brianv which shows that no flight 77 even took off that day. Gerard Holgren has also done alot of work on this. It would be nice to see it added to this thread as well.
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QUOTE (dubfan @ May 19 2006, 07:16 PM)
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Look carefully above the right shoulder/elbow. That is a piece of fuselage. See the rivets and the possible window shape?

Did somebody take fuselage and scorch it, dig everything up, bury it in the rubble again and drag a corpse in front of it to take a picture?

Why?

That picture was never released publicly and unless you knew the rivets you wouldn't even see it. Seems like a lot of work for something only a few people would see after 4 1/2 years. They even tried to keep this trial stuff secret and didn't intend it for release after the trial.

ALL evidence has to be considered in our theories. Writing everything off as planted hurts our honesty.

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Sun Zoo
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Is that supposed to be from the Pentagon. Please clarify where this came from. Thanks.
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Sun Zoo,

All of the body photos in this thread are from the Pentagon. The ones with discernible clothing appear to be Pentagon employees. One has coveralls and another has a plastic name tag. The fireball outside, wall penetration and aircraft disintegration in columns and rebar would make it very hard for me to believe any passengers would be as intact as the people whose clothing is still recognizable.

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Sun Zoo
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How do you know they're from the Pentagon? Who says? What's the chain of origin?
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They were submitted for the trial in the Pentagon section. The debris looks very much like the hundred or so interior photos of the Pentagon I have looked at. There were victims from the Pentagon. They would have taken pictures of the bodies.

From the condition of the towers I would say it wasn't there.

So my guess is that it was at the Pentagon.

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They were submitted for the trial in the Pentagon section. The debris looks very much like the hundred or so interior photos of the Pentagon I have looked at. There were victims from the Pentagon. They would have taken pictures of the bodies.

From the condition of the towers I would say it wasn't there.

So my guess is that it was at the Pentagon.



Those images are from that, guys Trial (MISSOURI i think his name was lol), the guy who was sentenced to Prison instead of being sentenced to death... there is a webpage with all the images and document from the trial on it, and yes those images is from the pentagon..supposingly...

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QUOTE (Merc the Jerk @ May 19 2006, 03:57 PM)
Here's what I found...

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Having boarded American Airlines Flight 77 at Washington Dulles International Airport early in the morning of September 11, 2001, Mari-Rae Sopper had no idea that she and thousands of other innocents would become part of a national tragedy. Ironically, Mari-Rae had served at the Pentagon during her tenure in the Navy JAG Corps.

http://www.mari-rae.net/9112001.html#dod



Great find Merc! I'll add it to my page.
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Additional info for Mari-Rae Sopper Esq.:

Iowa State University - 1988
Masters Degree from North Texas University (Dallas) - 1993
Law Degree from the University of Colorado (Denver) - 1996
Worked for Law firm of Schmeltzer, Aptaker, and Sheppard

APPEARED before the Supreme Court as Judge Advocate General

Her case "had an impact on every death penalty case in the United States, and also on every Courts-Martial thereafter"

An important member of the "Represented as a Nobody" Passenger group
-official info tells us she was going to California to be a coach at UCSB
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OMG< those photos!!!

are you trying to KILL ME right now??? worthy.gif
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