Michael Moore

I was just wondering what people on here think of Michael Moore. I personally cant stand the fact that some people try to associate people that stand by this film with him. But i was in a debate with someone and he associated me with Moore so I said to him that most people that stand by this film think that Moore is just as much of a propagandist as our government is. He said "i dont believe that at all unless you can prove it to me". Am I right? Or was I mistaken and poeple that stand by this film agree with the stuff that Moore has said?

I agree with several of the things Michael Moore says.

But i liked him more in the early 90īs. Around the time he made "The Big One"

Its like it just turned bad at one point and overpowered him.

He will come around as well....

Micheal Moore doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Anyone who associates this fim with Moore has a lot of homework to do.

You think his ass would fit into the hole in Shanksville?

Then we can associate this film with him.

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Question(s) where do all of these bush bashers, left leaning, democrates fit in?

I mean Mike Moore is a "Soft Serve Cone" he had to have come across the real facts on 9/11 when he made his film F-9/11... they REAL facts are not that hard to find....


What is it with these Big Talking Head Public Speakers.... are they just fearful "COWARDS" that fear bush and the boys....They are always playing "softball" with bush and crew, they never play hardball, i don't get it!!!

I once ran into Moore for real at the Al Franken Forum, where a 9/11 debate was ensuing. Most jumped on this guy, with an avatar of Moor, and the name Michael Moore claiming to be him, demanding proof that he really was himself, and upon leaving he left the evidence, by altering something on his website, based on something he said, so it WAS him. I laughed my ass off at those Franken losers, before they banned us, and dumped the 9/11 threads into their "crapper". What was REALLY amuzing, is that after chasing away MM, and "dumping" our hard worked for threads on 9/11, "the crapper" immediately became THE most popular area of their Forums by a long shot! Oh those were the days..

Anyway, I asked him some things, and he seemed to totally accept that the buildings could NOT have come down as we were told according to the official story, but he could NOT accept the idea of remotely piloted swapped drones. He actually seemed like a bit of a newbie to it all, but that was about a year ago now, or a litte more than that even. It appeared that he was interested in the topic and was sort of half LIHOP half MIHOP, but was otherwise content to sit around, eat, and play pocker with his buddies. He was blaze about it, and didn't really care all that much. He's just a self serving democrat who did ONE good Doc "Bowling for Columbine" which wasn't even all THAT good, in reality. He did well making the docmentary genre a mainstream form of entertainment though, and broke some ground there, and now he's rich and doesn't give a shit.

We won't be seeing a true 9/11 documentary coming from him I don't think, not until he's eaten Taco Bell out of business and that could take a while...

One cannot take Michael Moore seriously. A little research into how he made his Columbine movie will tell you why.

Loose Change / LC2E asks questions to which we've never been given answers.

Michael Moore edits out relevant info, splices multiple footages to seem like one, and then lobs accusations based on his preposterous conclusions. He invents 'facts' to suit his needs, and ultimately it does not appear that he has any self-restraint. He makes arguments out of nothing while ignoring relevant issues that should be pressed.

In fact he lies so much that one must wonder if he is not a paid gov't shill. Also, it makes you scratch your head upon learning that a not-for-profit company he started owns stock in Halliburton....when you invest in the people you claim to be fighting...what does that mean? Conflict of interest to say the least. Sure, he isnt running the organization, but the fact remains his organization helps people make movies with Halliburton's profits. Call me silly but that bothers me.

Furthermore, he doesn't answer critics. He ridicules them. He is not constructive to any argument. He simply throws a pile of shit against the wall, and if some of sticks, he's a happy man.

Bowling for Columbine deconstructed

So yeah, if Dylan Avery ever took this route, he too would be ostracized by his supporters, just as Michael Moore has been. Fortunately, Dylan has shown an ability to simply asks the questions that need to be asked.

I never saw Moores DOC. At the time Mike Moore's 9/11 documentry came out, i was believing the official story. I heard his doc got teared up, and everything he said got proven wrong. They even made a FeirenHYPE 9/11 documentry (you could find that sitting right next to Feirenheit 9/11 at the store) and the next thing you know EVERYONE in my town hates mike moore (even me) and wants him dead. It was at the time of the presidential election. It only made the official story of 9/11 seem THAT more believable. everyone starting believing Bush after Moores pointless accusations and Bush wins again.

Now I hear Moore's documentry sucked, left out IMPORTANT information that can easily be found through research, and lost alot of supporters. The documentry should of been called 'After Watching This Dumbshyt, Dont Believe In Anymore 9/11 Conspiracies' Now you have people teaching people not to believe in conspiracies. Most of the time GOOD documentrys like Loose Change will be easily discarded because of half-assed conspiracies in the past.

I wouldnt be surprised if Mike Moore was paid to make a shytty doc. I mean why would anyone listen to ANYTHING that fatass has to say? Especially when it sucks. It only helped to win Bush supporters.

Well hold on now....Most of Moore's 9/11 film was based on the work of Greg Palast. Greg Palast is the real deal, for the most part. He could be considered a "leftist" if we started splitting hairs on the trivial issues but his reporting is spot on, by and large. Moore just parrots all his stuff.

Moore gets a lot of things right but in the end he believes the Dems will save us. He's a typical commie....

NOW...


FahrenHYPE 9/11 is CRAP....I could sit and have a conversation with Moore. It would be a heated conversation but Ron Silver, Anne Coulter, Dick Morris, Zell Miller and Rep. Peter "We'll Take Care of the Counting" Green????? Those pukes are the biggest bootlickers around...

Well, I am glad to see my assumtions were not so unfounded. Thanks for the input guys and gals.

Moore deserves a lot of credit for exposing the Saudi relationship with the Bush's. Questioning Bush's military service. Catching some of the lies of the administration. Showing us some film we probably would not have seen otherwise. Trying to alert the public that Iraq had nothing to do with 911, and exposed the admin lying about it.

Sure, that's not the whole picture, but it's about a quarter of it, and I don't recall anybody else having the balls to do that back then. Do you?

Sure he's a dem/liberal whatever, but he's part of the base that should be most easiest to convert to this cause/investigation. Anyone who already knows the Bush's are criminals and so is their administration is already half way there. It's the hard core religious right that are going to be near impossible to wake up.

I don't think trashing on Liberals that try to expose part of the Bush's corruptness is a great stradegy.

Also...if he had included the stuff you guys are slamming him for leaving out, there is absolutely no chance his movie would ever have been made. Ever.

I understand and agree. He was pretty much the one person who got the ball rolling. I wasn't really bashing him but i dont really think he is in the same frame of mind we are. I may be wrong.

I would agree with your statement. I just want to make sure that the Moore bashing doesnt get too carried away. He was sporting his balls long before anyone elses dropped.

Agreed. Michael Moore re-invented the documentary with flair. (how many pieces...?) he is neither Jesus, nor the anti-christ, of a political movement.

with F9/11 he brought to the big screen a HUGE number of untouched (by MSM) stories regarding financial connections between the Bushes, the house of Saud, bin ladens, James Bath... the 20 minutes of Pet Goat...

sure, it was a propaganda hit piece -- but it gave us news stories that America would NEVER see elsewhere.

Personally, i hate that fat prick..

He makes interesting points sometimes, but I don't like his tact at all, or lack thereof.

No he really doesn't.

Alex exposed everything and more in "9/11: The Road to Tyranny" long before F9/11 was even a thought. Michael only made the movie after seeing what Alex had presented and used his reputation to get out the word on a more grand scale. He basically took all the information Alex and various others had uncovered, stated it a bit differently, presented it as if he was the one that found all the information first, and then cashed in on his ability to bring it to the big screen.

Sure it's great that F9/11 was hyped. It made people want to see it and brought these issues out in the more mainstream. It has helped to awaken the sheeple of this world a bit; but, the information Moore presented certainly wasn't unique or original in any way shape or form.

His film was compelling watching, it wasn't, however, a groundbreaking expose into the "truth" of that day.

Moore is a flawed guy. Look at him for God's sake, does that look like a healthy, happy man? He's troubled and his troubled soul looks for things to obsess over and because he has talent, the result is sometimes worth watching, but often it is simply a mirror into his troubled soul.

His work reminds me of Francis Bacon's paintings.

Yeah his tact is mostly that of emotion. Thats why I said I dont think he is in the same frame of mind. Here we seem to be more concerned with FACT than anthing else. And also facts really hold up better

No he really doesn't.

Alex exposed everything and more in "9/11: The Road to Tyranny" long before F9/11 was even a thought. Michael only made the movie after seeing what Alex had presented and used his reputation to get out the word on a more grand scale. He basically took all the information Alex and various others had uncovered, stated it a bit differently, presented it as if he was the one that found all the information first, and then cashed in on his ability to bring it to the big screen.

Sure it's great that F9/11 was hyped. It made people want to see it and brought these issues out in the more mainstream. It has helped to awaken the sheeple of this world a bit; but, the information Moore presented certainly wasn't unique or original in any way shape or form.

Don't you think Alex gets a little bit carried away man? He wants credit for F911? Okay, well maybe Alex should make his own and include his theories on "the greys" and how the aliens are amoungst us. Come on! I know the guy is great entertainment sometimes, but...he's no more accurate than Moore. For every propaganda piece Moore does, Alex goes so far off the wall that he makes conspiracy theorists look bad. Like it or not, that's the facts. Personally, I think they both have value, but I wouldn't listen to either without a grain of salt and a pinch of common sense.

This is what it must have been like back in the 70s with the "Old Guard" at the Washington Post and The New York Times. Look at how much things have slipped in the mainstream US media since then. Independent sources and Documentarians are what the American people rely on to get some proper news coverage.

I personally like both Moore and Jones, and think they have inspired a host of individuals with their past work. I swear, since Dubya and the Neo-Cons came to power 5 years ago, documentaries have become more important than ever. For fucks sake, some of these films have proven to be more entertaining, dramatic and funny than around 80% of productions currently being churned out in Hollywood and the "Independent" movie sector.

My only problem with Alex Jones, apart from the crazy guy rep, is the fact that I can't find the time to go through all his extremely detailed films. Hey, can anyone tell me which Alex Jones films are essential viewing?. Think of it as if you are recommending his greatest ever conspiracy knockout punches. Thanks!

Despite some obvious characteristic Michael Moore flaws, Bowling for Columbine is still by far the best "film" I saw in 2002. He's definately gonna win his second Academy Award for his upcoming expose "Sicko" at next years Oscars. That can only be a good thing, regardless of your personal opinion of the guys methods and personality.

wahouuuuuu ...

In france we don't have any one who could disturb our opinion like him and before him like it is says by someone here (the one who have a Gimli as avatar ). Perhaps he is not as acute as other documents, perhaps we see him too much on his own works, BUT he as to be seen as a primar soucre before being shoking by the other document you'll can find on the web ...

I don't see LC2E as a first movie to see, I think that in order to be fully understood you can pass without any 'shame one you' opinions by some movies of MM.

I talk for France OK ..
But the must relevant movie festival here (Canne) as reward him for F911. And it deals with (I hope it is true) a new 'open yours eyes' movement here. A first shock (even if it is not as true as it is presented to us !).

After that I ask my friend to see some Noam Chomsky movie like "power and Terror", and read his books.

After that, the chicken is almost cooken, I tell the to see "The corporation" (with subtitles )

And after that as the brightest end of Lunch I served them LC2E and "In Plane Site". I can guarantee you that it's a very interresting thing to perfom it that way.

If you don't pass by step the only answer you will receive here (Mostly) will be "Bullshit !!!"

PS: I agree to think that "The Big One" is perhaps his best movie. But don't sous-estimate he impact he have on the blind ones here (and in other countries) because you perhaps will sus-estimate you proper impact also.

I barely have the guts to post this one, but um...

I .. you know.. kind of like.. thought Bowling was very interesting...

He doesn't want credit for F911...he gets it no matter what. Look at the copyright dates for each film. His was out there months before F911. I think it's plainly obvious, to those that have viewed both films, that Michael Moore wouldn't of even of made F911 without the knowledge he picked up from 911RTT.

I'm sorry you've been a bit jaded by your few experiences with Alex. If you're making comments regarding him being concerned with "the greys" and "aliens" then you obviously don't know what he's about at all. I think you may be confusing him with David Icke. Alex repeatedly chews up and spits out the alien bullshit. How you've grouped him with these others is beyond me?

Sure he gets a bit carried away but you too would be a bit cynical by now if you had been attempting to expose the Global Elite since 1993. The guy has been working on this shit a lot longer than most people I've researched so I feel he has a right, more than anyone, to get carried away like he does. He's frustrated. Pretty understandable if you had been dealing with mass ignorance for over a decade.

The real concern I have is that you're still labeling people as "conspiracy theorists". Unless you're referring to them in the true Latin root of the word "conspirare", you continue to benefit the Elite by reciting that tripe of a label.

Care to elaborate?

RoxDog...


Alex Jones I like the Guy I go to his site everyday...he is really the one who caused me to dig deep on this stuff and take nobodys word for anything, when it comes to the REAL NEWS...With that said you ask for examples about alex credibility

Is Alex Jones Credible.... You Bet...there are times when he trys real hard to make "A STORY" when there is nothing there....

1. He ran a story that bush worships the devil because he flashes the Texas Long Horns school sign......everbody that attends that school does that, you know the little fringer and the index finger in the air.... that's a real stretch.......

2. He ran a story on Pat Robertson the Christian about him praying to demons/devil....he (jones) even altered Robertson's voice to make it sound demonic........Really Stupid Sh*t

3. He had a headline on his web site about Katrina....... "68,000 Katrina victums held against there will at the superdome like a prison camp"..... BULL SH*T again

4. And Recently would not let the vp shooting accident go away, had police reports and the vp did this ,and the vp did not do this, and the vp, and the vp, and the vp, and the vp.......Alex give it a rest....it was a hunting accident they happen all the time in Texas....maybe not the way the vp said, right or wrong....but at the end of the day it was an accident.....


In all above i have e-mailed Alex Jones and let him know he should be careful not to ADD to the FACTS.....then it becomes like Jerry Springer TV or Tabilod Reporting, Sensationalism...... Hell it sells we all know that.....but in this Serious Sh*T ( President Kills 3,000 of his Own People) there is no Room for it....Period.... Credibility has to be established, maintained, and presented at all times...no matter if it is Big or Little News....


There is always going to be those that defend a person even when, they know that person is out of line, Look at the way Rush and Sean defend bush... I for one am not one of those.... if I think it was stupid I will let you know

2 Cents Worth

Can't really argue with this one except that europe was up in arms over it while it was blacked out here. Why would he do that knowing the world is watching?

Alex Jones didn't make that video. He just played it on his show. And that was pretty damn wierd seeing as it happened just after he (Robertson) defended biometrics. Then he claimed to heal a man by praying about it. I think the "really stupid sh^t" award should be reserved for Robertson on that one. Also, Robertson has a history of flashing Masonic hand symbols.

Really? So what about those infamous clips of Sheperd Smith and Geraldo begging to "let these people go"?

It was criminal negligence. Cheney broke the law. How is pointing that out going "off the wall".

Alex Jones has 100x the credibility of Michael Moore.

Apples and oranges but neither am I...

Care to elaborate?

If you wish...

Alex Jones has stated on his radio show that the elite class live....forever. Literally.

Vicente Fox can morph in to a green devil.

There are live HIV viruses in....corn.

Feminism is a government plot.

Arnold Schwartzeneggar is part of an Austrian plot to take over the world.

Gays are actively recruiting in schools.

He claims to have access to the New World Orders secret websites, where he can predict the future because of the materials on them.


To name a few things that...well.....Michael Moore has more street credit period.

I like them both about the same, but...the wackiest thing Moore has ever believed is nowhere near Alex Jones deep end.

It's not an opinion on who is more entertaining, who is moore (pun intended) hated etc.

It's a fact, Jones has leant his credentials out to some wacky theories in the past.

Maybe it's just a matter of preference.

I don't think either of them are bad people.

He doesn't want credit for F911...he gets it no matter what. Look at the copyright dates for each film. His was out there months before F911. I think it's plainly obvious, to those that have viewed both films, that Michael Moore wouldn't of even of made F911 without the knowledge he picked up from 911RTT.

I'm sorry you've been a bit jaded by your few experiences with Alex. If you're making comments regarding him being concerned with "the greys" and "aliens" then you obviously don't know what he's about at all. I think you may be confusing him with David Icke. Alex repeatedly chews up and spits out the alien bullshit. How you've grouped him with these others is beyond me?

Sure he gets a bit carried away but you too would be a bit cynical by now if you had been attempting to expose the Global Elite since 1993. The guy has been working on this shit a lot longer than most people I've researched so I feel he has a right, more than anyone, to get carried away like he does. He's frustrated. Pretty understandable if you had been dealing with mass ignorance for over a decade.

The real concern I have is that you're still labeling people as "conspiracy theorists". Unless you're referring to them in the true Latin root of the word "conspirare", you continue to benefit the Elite by reciting that tripe of a label.

I AM a conspiracy theorist

I'm just saying that I personally think Michael Moore has more realistic credit than Alex Jones. Some of you feel different, but I know I'm not the only person that feels that way. PotatOE, PotAtoe...

You are parroting Perry Logan? All these quotes (directly from Perry Logan) are taken almost completely out of context.

You mean SHEEP credit.

BWahahaa....Mr. Moore's worship of government and misguided faith in the Democratic party put him far beyond Jones in the "wacky belief" department.

When? When he was 19? Why is it that people are so willing to throw out assertions without the information to back it up?

Micheal Moore is a slave to the phony right/left paradigm. Alex Jones is not.