So, There Was An Aircraft And Human Remains., I believe we can trust the firefighters.

The news reports the 757 aircraft and human remains at the flight 93 crash site:

"The site had been mined for coal, then refilled with dirt. It was still soft when Flight 93 crashed, and firefighters said the Boeing 757 tunneled right in. They had to dig 15 feet to find it.
The impact was such that few human remains were found, and the site is considered hallowed ground, a heroes' graveyard."

By WES ALLISON, Times Staff Writer
© St. Petersburg Times
published September 10, 2003

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/10/news_pf/...houlders_.shtml

This post has been edited by ScientificMethod on Apr 7 2006, 05:57 AM

curious, what happened to the 5-6,000 gallons of jet fuel still on board?

You dont need to be a Rhodes Scholar to know a plane didnt crash into that crater. One of the MANY smoking guns. Anyone who will argue a plane DID crash there is in complete denial and no amount information will alter their belief.

Its more of an emotional barrier than an intellectual one. The fact that our gov't could possibly have done this to us is beyond horrible and it borders incomprehensible.

interesting to note this was being reported two years after the actual incident, just one day shy of its anniversary.

It took 2 years to come up with a response. This was the best they could come up with.

Shanksville hole is smoke and mirrors. There WAS a plane in difficulty, somewhere nearby, but it clearly DID NOT crash at shanksville crater. I believe that was a set-up planned in order to provide cover for a possible REAL crash site.

I do not know what crashed there at indian lake -- it may have been 93, or an entirely different plane.

Sites like this are just horse crap. Why! Even! Go! There! Or Even! post it

It never crash, it landed in Cleveland, and they used there voices to make the phony audio tape. All they needed was there voices in and interview, and there life is history. They now can kill them all and say they have there remains.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard Flight 93 and maybe Flight 175

WCPO 9 in Cincinnati Ohio Liz Foreman 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaa...al/story14.html

A saved html copy of of this post on "911 In Plane site" Website
http://www.911inplanesite.com/bomb_threat.html

It never crash, it landed in Cleveland, and they used there voices to make the phony audio tape. All they needed was there voices in and interview, and there life is history. They now can kill them all and say they have there remains.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard Flight 93 and maybe Flight 175

WCPO 9 in Cincinnati Ohio Liz Foreman 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaa...al/story14.html

The page you requested cannot be found

This link NG.

if anyone really wants to know what happened...read my post

before i say anything, i want to say that my sources are credible
heres the story in brief:

one of my professor's best friends works at Andrews Air Force Base near DC. On the morning of the attacks, after the second building was hit, he says they sent out 2 jet fighters with 2 sidewinders on each wing (8 missiles in total). When they came back at around 10:30, one of the planes was missing 2 sidewinders. Go figure. They shot it down. The cell phone calls were fake, nobody is arguing that, its obvious. This would explain why there is barely any remains of the plane, because it exploded in mid air.

even initial reports said they shot it down. i remember where i was on that day, and i watched live on tv as the second plane hit...initial reports about flight 93 said they shot it down...my story is further evidence

i had to make this post now because after watching your video, i found your Cleveland story highly unbelievable.

Welcome to the forums Alex, thanks for your information, anything that you can add to it? That is pretty powerful testimony.

Have you talked to him again after that??

thanks, and no thats about it, and it answers all the questions too

and the story released by the government was nothing other than pro-american propaganda that brave americans can rise up and overcome anything. But who can blame them, they had no choice, it was either the 40 people on board or who knows how many in DC.

thanks, and no thats about it, and it answers all the questions too

and the story released by the government was nothing other than pro-american propaganda that brave americans can rise up and overcome anything. But who can blame them, they had no choice, it was either the 40 people on board or who knows how many in DC.

What made that crater in PA.?

Why didnt they admit to taking out flt. 93, surely after the WTC collapsed noone would have argued it wasnt necessary???

How would they know to create that crater? Was this all preplanned? Sure looks it.

Ah yes it starts to fit together. But flight 93 was not shot down. Two missles were expended though. IN Somerset County, PA in a field , where no one could be hurt.

Reasoning.
1 - Flight 93 being shot down would result in wreckage raining down over a large area. Bodies falling like human sized hail over an entire city sized area. Engines coming down with ballistic speed. You want to see what it would look like?

Pan Am Flight 103

It is a grand example of a plane encountering an explosive at altitude.

2- Why would the fact just not be reported - "Flight 93 shot down." There is no reason for deception here. Would make us Air Force people look like we were doing something right that day =]

3- No evidence of anything indictive of a plane crash on the ground - not in one spot nor over the course of many miles as would be the case in a shoot down.




So what fits your story and the evidence of the crash scene?

Two sidewinder missles fired into the ground in Somerset County, PA. Would make what we see there.

Why 2 missiles fired into the ground? And there was plane wreckage in another area that stretched over a few miles...

It never crash, it landed in Cleveland, and they used there voices to make the phony audio tape. All they needed was there voices in and interview, and there life is history. They now can kill them all and say they have there remains.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard Flight 93 and maybe Flight 175

WCPO 9 in Cincinnati Ohio Liz Foreman 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaa...al/story14.html

The page you requested cannot be found

This link NG.

Well wcpo.com had too of just remove it. I've been posting it everywhere. So you can see there still doing anything they can to say one step ahead of us.

@ alex_d10
Thanks for your input, but there is no way I'll ever believe that. That plane never crashed at indian lake or anywhere else for that matter.

There are no hard evidences that any plane crashed. None of the debris found can identify that it was Flight 93.

Show me real proof, and then and only then I'll change my opinion.
As far as the missing 2 sidewinders go, take a min!!!! And think!!!!! What created the F...ing hole?
Way too many BS’ers out there for me to fall for this crap. Talk is cheap. I wasn’t born yesterday.

Is it even physically possible that a plane travelling hundreds of mph will hit sand and "tunnel right in" without leaving any debris above ground? If a plane crashes on the soft beach sand, does it "tunnel in", or does it break into pieces?

I think that can ruled out.

It never crash, it landed in Cleveland, and they used there voices to make the phony audio tape. All they needed was there voices in and interview, and there life is history. They now can kill them all and say they have there remains.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard Flight 93 and maybe Flight 175

WCPO 9 in Cincinnati Ohio Liz Foreman 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaa...al/story14.html

The page you requested cannot be found

This link NG.

Well wcpo.com had too of just remove it. I've been posting it everywhere. So you can see there still doing anything they can to say one step ahead of us.

@ alex_d10
Thanks for your input, but there is no way I'll ever believe that. That plane never crashed at indian lake or anywhere else for that matter.

There are no hard evidences that any plane crashed. None of the debris found can identify that it was Flight 93.

Show me real proof, and then and only then I'll change my opinion.
As far as the missing 2 sidewinders go, take a min!!!! And think!!!!! What created the F...ing hole?
Way too many BS’ers out there for me to fall for this crap. Talk is cheap. I wasn’t born yesterday.

what created the hole? would the plane vapourize if it was hit? obviously there were some pieces that fell down intact (ie. turbines) that could have created craters

and someone said there were no bodies, i have been told stories by that same guy, how during clean-up they were finding numerous body parts, most notable of which was a severed wrist, which he had pictures of (i saw them)

but dont believe me, go on with your bogus conspiracy theories
any physics major, or any science student for that matter (me being one), can defeat anything you say, given time to analyze
i told you what happened from an inside person, but think what you want

good day

Nothing is soft when you are travelling a few hundred miles an hour. Is dirt softer than water? Ever fall when water skiing? What does it feel like? Cement??

This story is pure

Nothing is soft when you are travelling a few hundred miles an hour. Is dirt softer than water? Ever fall when water skiing? What does it feel like? Cement??

This story is pure

read my last post

Nothing is soft when you are travelling a few hundred miles an hour. Is dirt softer than water? Ever fall when water skiing? What does it feel like? Cement??

This story is pure

read my last post

I have.

Nothing is soft when you are travelling a few hundred miles an hour. Is dirt softer than water? Ever fall when water skiing? What does it feel like? Cement??

This story is pure

read my last post

I have.

Then how can you even attempt to argue against it? How many witnesses of any 9/11 events do you personally know? What did they tell you? The people that i know that saw these events arent even american citizens (canadian). What reason would witnesses have to lie? esp. to a friend?

Nothing is soft when you are travelling a few hundred miles an hour. Is dirt softer than water? Ever fall when water skiing? What does it feel like? Cement??

This story is pure

read my last post

I have.

Then how can you even attempt to argue against it? How many witnesses of any 9/11 events do you personally know? What did they tell you? The people that i know that saw these events arent even american citizens (canadian). What reason would witnesses have to lie? esp. to a friend?

I am not arguing against you, Im arguing against the planes burrowing into the ground 15 ft. deep. Are we misunderstanding each other?

Nothing is soft when you are travelling a few hundred miles an hour. Is dirt softer than water? Ever fall when water skiing? What does it feel like? Cement??

This story is pure

read my last post

I have.

Then how can you even attempt to argue against it? How many witnesses of any 9/11 events do you personally know? What did they tell you? The people that i know that saw these events arent even american citizens (canadian). What reason would witnesses have to lie? esp. to a friend?

I am not arguing against you, Im arguing against the planes burrowing into the ground 15 ft. deep. Are we misunderstanding each other?

i guess so. just so you know, i didnt come on here to bring in any kind of hostility, i just thought that my share of a witness account that noone else has heard would be appreciated.

I didnt think you were, and your account is very appreciated. We do not have many first hand accounts and whether or not some people dont believe you is fine, we will all not agree on everything.

Perhaps someone else you dont know will see your post and confirm it and add another part. Hang in there this is going to be a marathon, not a sprint.

So then what is wrong with the F16 you spotted firing two missles into the ground in Somerset County, PA? It fits what we know.

Flight 93 went missing.
Sure did.

It was reported to have landed later on in Cleveland.
Just one AP report said so.

It crash landed in Somerset County, PA.
For the first time in avation history a 100 ton aircraft vanished into a hole.

A flight of F16s came back 2 missles short.
Fits the evidence if they fired them into the ground there in PA.


You all are putting the cart before the horse here. You have to take what eyewitness account you have and match them up with the pictures. None of us are able to recreate the event. None of us are going to drive to PA to see what is no longer around to be seen, nor call people up and harass them about what they were doing on 9/11. In these cases, and in court for that matter, evidence trumps eyewitness account every time.

So look at the pictures of the scene of flight 93 alleged crash. What about it is unlike any other aviation mishap in history?

If you think that it was shot down. Great. But do your damn homework. Being shot down rains debris over a large area. It rains humans down on a large area. Dense parts of the aircraft (gear and engines) make ballsitic impacts on the ground. Tail sections and other light parts break up but are otherwise unvaporized.

Pan Am Flight 103 was blown up at altitude. Look it up I have linked in it in my previous posts.

Keep in mind to vaporize metals the material you want to vaporize has to be in contact with explosives or a plasma cutter or the sun. The vaporization radius on conventional explosives is not very large - comprising, at best, 2x the diameter of the explosives. The blast however is exceedingly large, but blasts only blow materials apart - it does not vaporize.

So if you wanted to vaporize a 100 ton commercial airliner what would you have to do ?
1 - Fly into the sun. Yeah that'd do it.

2 - Plasma arc all of it - bit by bit with electricity. Sure that'd take years with all the worlds cutters.

3 - Coat all of it with roughly 50 tons of high grade military explosives. This, of course, could not fly. No one has suggested this. It is silly.

Re-entry into earths atmosphere will not vaporize - If you all recall the Columbia breaking up over Texas. Everything from gear to helmets to tiles to other items were recovered from a wide swath of the southern United States.

Use the pictures and physics and past crash data. No plan crashed here. Look up craters for missles and bombs. See a commonality? Let me put up some picture for you as I know google can be quite difficult to find things with.


Pan Am Scene (exploded at altitude)
Cockpit


Engine Parts




Bodies


Reconstruction





Flight 800 (shot down or exploded at altitude)











See what I am saying about wreckage remaining after shoot downs?


If you think flight 93 crashed in somerset county re-read and review this post. Perhaps review all of the pictures of flight 93 crash site. Repeatedly - look for aircraft parts.

If you think flight 93 crashed elsewhere and escaped all eyewitness accounts or pictures being taken of it - then you are silly.

If you think flight 93 landed somewhere because it didnt crash somewhere else; congratulations you do indeed know how gravity works.

It never crash, it landed in Cleveland, and they used there voices to make the phony audio tape. All they needed was there voices in and interview, and there life is history. They now can kill them all and say they have there remains.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard Flight 93 and maybe Flight 175

WCPO 9 in Cincinnati Ohio Liz Foreman 9/11/01 11:43:57 AM
http://www.wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaa...al/story14.html

The page you requested cannot be found

This link NG.

Well wcpo.com had too of just remove it. I've been posting it everywhere. So you can see there still doing anything they can to say one step ahead of us.

@ alex_d10
Thanks for your input, but there is no way I'll ever believe that. That plane never crashed at indian lake or anywhere else for that matter.

There are no hard evidences that any plane crashed. None of the debris found can identify that it was Flight 93.

Show me real proof, and then and only then I'll change my opinion.
As far as the missing 2 sidewinders go, take a min!!!! And think!!!!! What created the F...ing hole?
Way too many BS’ers out there for me to fall for this crap. Talk is cheap. I wasn’t born yesterday.

what created the hole? would the plane vapourize if it was hit? obviously there were some pieces that fell down intact (ie. turbines) that could have created craters

and someone said there were no bodies, i have been told stories by that same guy, how during clean-up they were finding numerous body parts, most notable of which was a severed wrist, which he had pictures of (i saw them)

but dont believe me, go on with your bogus conspiracy theories
any physics major, or any science student for that matter (me being one), can defeat anything you say, given time to analyze
i told you what happened from an inside person, but think what you want

good day

I'll repeat this one more time.

I don't fall for any BS’ers out there with this type of crap. Talk is cheap. I wasn’t born yesterday.

I've been on top of this 911 sense late 2002, sharing videos in early 2003. I'm an old-timer when it comes to 911. And I can bet you that 1/3 of the people here in the Northern part of CA, know about 911 because of me. I reach so many people awareness about 911 @ the computer show. And we had as many as three shows a month, give or take.

Nice kimmy.

Very well put!!!

Planes that blow up in mid air leave all kinds of debris. There would have been flat bed trucks full of debris. Missiles dont disintigrate planes.



This post has been edited by Zor on Apr 8 2006, 12:36 PM

See, this just does not compute to me. An aircraft hitting a soft spot in the ground, and tunneling in, would result in much less damage to the aircraft than otherwise. Also, it seems likely that fire would be prevented by suffocation from the soft earth.

So - lemme get this straight - 15 feet underground, there's an aircraft fuselage full of bodies (yes, they'd still be there, belted to their seats), but there's no reason to dig it up?

Gee, maybe there's a reason not to dig it up. As in, there's nothing there.

Of all the inconsistencies, unanswered questions, and apparent outright lies in the official version of events, one of the greatest is the complete and utter disappearance of the people on those planes. I'm sorry, but some DNA and a severed wrist that coulda come from some med school's cadaver doesn't do it.