Violence, What is happening to me and my friends

Okay, a couple of us found our truth in LC, especially LC2. I always knew and showed everyone I could. Because of it we are known as "terrorists" at our school. We are bullied and terrorized for our belief. We have been shunned by everyone that doesn't believe it... However, the people that do believe it are the ones that have seen the film. Thankfully the number is growing, but it is still hard. Any advice? I HAVE TO SPEAK MY MIND, and I will never stifle myself.

Isn't that the government's job anyway?

Jazz

covnince the biggest kid in ur skool

at my school i am slowing getting people to watch LC2... I got this one kid and his pops into it... but i am like 6'2 180 pounds and i am 15.. not many peeps bully me

Hmmm... pull a quote on them. Something about ignorance, truth, or patriotism.

If someone physically attacks you in school, raise your hands above your head and look directly at them. Raising your hands will attract attention to the fight, and declare that you are not fighting back. That's what we do in football games if a player from the other team attacks us.

If you're out of school, remember that you can always run. Fight or flight. If there are more of them than you, then run. I suggest you just stick to yourselves, but no matter what, dont let them scare you into submission. Travel in groups, if need be. If you are forced into a situation where you need to fight, I can offer you a few tips.

(Self defence only please)

Nut shots- Good if you can pull it off, but often very guarded.
Armpit- Sensitive punching point, can cause extreme pain.
Upperlip/Nose/Frontal Teeth- Aiming point for face punches and maximum pain. Upperlip will inflict a lot of pain, so will a broken nose, or if you knock a tooth out.
MiddleChest- Hit right where the ribcage meets in the triangular shape to knock the wind out of someone.
Toes- Give em a nice stomp and some people will double over.

Lasting Damage (only if it's life or death)

Eye- Poking is good, but you will make them pass out if you get a finger behind the eye and take it out.
Ear- Rip, not as hard as you'd think.
Nipple- Same as above *shudders*

Terrorized? how so. Specifics could be nice. Flyers and posters are always fun. Convince the teachers. Talk to them about LC2. If they know, not only will they watch out for you being picked on, but they might also faciliate many more people to find out.

Yikes! I guess there's a lot of that going on. People who cannot reason and debate will resort to violence.

Be safe, my young friend.

Wow, at my school I just get remarks like "Why do you care about 9/11?" and such. Be safe and watch your back.

One thing I'm trying to learn is how to be temperate. I try to approach the subject gently, and neutrally. "A lot of people don't believe that what happened on 9/11 was as the government says" rather than "I don't believe..." Or, "I've been reading about 9/11 conspiracy theories. What do you think?"

If it seems like the other person is interested I proceed. If they are not interested, or I detect that they may be getting angry, I back off.

We really can't force anybody. And we have to realize that a lot of people don't want to believe the truth.

thats wat i hear also, most people will say `Why do you care, its come and passed`

Yea i reply "Cause it maybe the most important thing to ever occur in our life time.. not because terrorists will kill us. Because we may be living in a corrupt america."

Hate to tell ya, but there's no difference outside of school. School is like halfway between prison and freedom.

If I had to show up at a big building with 1,000 of my adult peers and engage in dialogue five days a week, I'd probably be getting my ass kicked routinely, or have a pretty solid gang of minorities (I like the idea of recruiting muscle- try that).

The difference is when I find myself surrounded by assholes, I can walk right out the door. And I do. You have that option too, although you are probably understandably reluctant to exercise the option.

So, tolerate it as best you can... it'll be over soon enough.

Stand tall, Jazz. You're brave for what you're doing. Be respectful to others opinions though, don't force yours on them. If they are open-minded and reasonably intelligent, they won't react with violence. That's what an idiot would do. Brains can beat fists, especially if they are idiots behind those fists. If you see anyone seriously threatening you, report it.

I don't promote senseless violence but I guess I’m fortunate that never happened to me. People around me are generally smart individuals. Even though I'm a truther with good intentions, I do have a pretty bad temper. I’ve never been the type to get bullied perhaps because of physical appearance. Even though I don’t promote violence, you should stick up for yourself as well.

Just ask them to respect your opinion as you respect theirs.

that's sick, if the sheeple want to bleet in unison and call you 'terrorists', then so be it, just be the bigger man and not stoop to their level.

I know... I never push my opinion on anyone tho. I mean, I tell them I think they should watch it and come out with their own opinion. And if they don't want to then that's okay with me, they can stay blind... Today in art this jackass-hole was telling me how I was anti-American. I LOVE THIS COUNTRY. That's why I'm searching for the truth. Isn't that what we as Americans are supposed to do?

Jazz

Watch your mouth.

This post has been edited by MichaelMR on Sep 17 2006, 08:20 AM

So disprove it.

Jazz

by saying 'they can stay blind', does not show that you are interested in their opinions. so...how can you expect them to get interested in yours? you're suggestively pushing your beliefs on people whether you want to admit to it or not.

HINT: you persuade people by acknowledging their stance and sighting yours. getting on the defense by stomping your feet and calling them stupid when they don't agree with you, doesn't help you out.

i don't know about our mission as Americans being to seek the truth....i mean, i hope you would seek the truth but most Americans would rather be lied to and pat on the head, than actually have to think for themselves.

one last thing, i would be tickled to hear why you love this country.

It is hard to live with the fact that yes some people will never believe. Have they learned nothing from history, and what makes an absolute government think they can outlast themselves. Every empire that has ever been has fallen, they final history of mankind is unfolding before thier very eyes and they choose to remain blind. There is too much entertainment in the world distracting the masses.

As for your immediate problem at school, the only advice i can give is too remind them how IT AFFECTS THEM, then it will hit home.

All very cool stuff from you guys What I think is some very good advise is this. Lift weights.

But on a more serious note, as others have already said above me, start with "tame facts", dont go rushing out yelling. "THe NEW WORLD ORDER is working to ENSLAVE US! 911 WAS A SELF inflicted WOUND!" If you approach people like that, you might as well be standing upon a soap-box.

Start with the solids, the verified facts, and build. If they are intrested (as I have found many ignorant people. Completely fascinated) keep going. If they want evidence, smack em with some news articles on it, and soon they'll be a little more receptive.

When I first got introduced to the 9/11 truth movement, I thought Alex Jones was a nut. His frontal approach doesnt really work, but we all love him.

Edit- This works best in Math, which is generally boring to the average student. (Lunch is best)

This post has been edited by Dienekes on Sep 29 2006, 12:37 AM

---- So beautifully written by rahchill.

My reply...

Yeah, I've never pushed my beliefs on anyone. EVER. I respect all views and opinions, including yours which is why I refuse to make any real snide remarks. Instead, I'll be nice. You make me out to be a brat without even knowing me... For shame And I love this country because believe it or not, we have the most freedom out of anyone else. No I don't agree on a lot of the laws but we can have websites like this without getting shot, so I think that's enough to be thankful for. IDK , call me crazy... It seems you agree with the cause, but you're just looking for an argument. And it seems that I just don't have the time to reply to this... PEACE AND LOVE, rahchill. I hope you find someone else to piss off, because it isn't me.

Jazz

I disagree. I know someone who lives in Belgium. It's pretty free.

Edit- There are countries where they aren't putting into law that they are allowed to torture children sexually in front of their parents.

This post has been edited by Dienekes on Sep 30 2006, 11:49 PM

i have been coming under fire for my beliefs for this too. on the bus (i have to take public transportation), kids keep shouting that i know how to make bombs (not true) and that i am a threat to everyone around me. i hear the words, Anarchist, Terrorist, next extremist, etc.. i learned just to let it slip by me. if anyone tries to attack me i can either have a friend help me (im 5'2" but i hang out around 6'+ kids) or if the situation becomes worse and life threatening, i can try to use my limited knowledge of Krav Maga (mostly chokes and simple pain spots for me). that is only for life/death emergencies. in most cases run. learn to stand up for your beliefs. if you cant stand up for them, you dont really believe them.

This post has been edited by Viva La Sam on Oct 3 2006, 11:59 PM

Jazz I think you should always stick to your words and never let back just because you are being boolied. If the kids at your school see that you are self confident they will stop being jerks. I try to spread the word around about LC2 at my school but I think since I am a girl I am less likely to get into fights. What school do you go to? I go to Glendale High School in California.

Jazz sorry for the girl part because I do not know if Jazz is a girls or a boys name LoL. Let me know.

In Kansas, and yeh, I'm a girl lol

I know this is a little bit off topic but I was just reading the forums on lc911.com and there were links to interesting websites so I just clicked on some and then from those websites I went to other interesting ones (I do that a lot lol) so then I got to this website about how October the 5th is a big day for telling the truth and it was this organization that was going to hold meetings and rallys all around the US. So I did not really pay attention to it. Then today I go to school and I am entering the main building and I see one of the campaign posters up. I was amazed I did not think anyone at our school had the guts to just put a poster up on our main school building. Unfortunatly by noon it was taken off. Probably some of the teachers saw it. So Jazz I think if you stick to your words and not show a sense of doubt about your ideas people will eventually start respecting what you say about our government. Even though it is a little bit shocking for some people because the truth is always hard to believe in and it is always easier to believe in what the media is telling us you should never give up hope. Maybe those kids wont understand you right now but I am sure they will always remember you when they are adults. It is not like everyone believes in lc2. I am sure they get mocked at a lot but they dont seem to be loosing hope about it but i feel like it is the opposite they get more sure about themselves because they do not give up and that is how they gain their public awarness.

cant believe that

over here (UK), lots of people believe the official story, but only because thats what the tv told them.

you only have to tell them some of the more facinating facts, like the lack of plane at the pentagon or the demolition charges in the twin towers and they listen.

some of em dont go and look more, some do.

But i cant imagine being labeld a terrorist for it.

Jazz, just don't let them ever piss you off to a point that you would do something that would get you into trouble. The best thing is to always walk away.

I've actually gotten a lot of people at my school to believe in 9/11 truth. About 15 or so. One even joined this forum (bLaKmAjIk). Now we're like the two 9/11 freaks at the school. People either question us or commend us. On 9/11 I tapped a piece of paper to my shirt saying 9/11 was an inside job and saying the URLs of 9/11 truth websites.

My advice is talk to a counselor or something. Maybe they can help.

And Dienekes, although I believe what Alex Jones is saying, I still think he's nut. lol