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Just found this...
Looks like I wasn't the only one who was paying attention to these details.
Good ol' Paul Thompson of cooperativeresearch.org/911timeline had an interesting take...
|The Mystery of Hijacker Waleed Alshehri|
Something that would be a fertile ground for research would be the times the hijackers lived in the US before the FBI claims they first arrived. I'm kind of thinking aloud and researching as I type this. Maybe someone else can dig up more.
Everyone focuses on the leaders, and forgets about the "muscle." Whereas I think some of the muscle are very interesting people indeed and probably some of the pilots and leaders. Take a look at Waleed Alshehri, for instance.
According to the testimony of FBI Director Mueller, he first arrived in the US on April 23, 2001. But this is clearly wrong - he'd been here for years. Why the cover up of this fact? Some info (I put my comments within < >, the rest are newspaper quotes):
Alshehri is said to have given seven different dates of birth for himself on various documents, ranging from 1974 to 1979. He's believed to have been in the U.S. since at least 1994, when he got a Social Security card and a Florida driver's license.
Alshehri graduated in 1997 from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Fla., and had a commercial pilot's license.
Besides Daytona Beach, he is believed to have lived in Hollywood, Fla.; Boynton Beach, Fla., where a neighbor describes him as a nice guy who was a fan of the Florida Marlins; and Vienna, Va., at a boarding house three blocks away from the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Alshehri is said to have moved out of the boarding house 14 months ago, telling the landlord he was returning to Saudi Arabia, his homeland.
September 27, 2001
Computer records indicate that (Ahmed) Alghamdi began living at an apartment complex on Dunn avenue in Daytona Beach in about 1996. The 200-unit complex is located a few blocks away from the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, which trained at least one of the other terrorists, Waleed Alshehri in 1997. Alshehri and Alghamdi appeared to live at the same address at about the same time. Alshehri has been in the United States since at least 1994, when he got a Social Security number and a Florida driver's license, records show.
Boston Globe, 9/15/01
In 1993, Waleed Alshehri, one of the terrorists on American Airlines Flight 11 from Boston that hit the north tower of the World Trade Center, enrolled at Embry-Riddle University, where he received a bachelor's degree in aviation science four years later, according to school spokesman Robert Ross. During that time, records show Alshehri lived in apartment in Daytona Beach.
At least two of the other hijackers and two other Arabic men also lived in the same apartment as Alshehri, beginning in 1996, but their names are not on the list of hijackers released by the FBI. It could not be determined yesterday if those two men, as well as a woman who also lived at the address, are among the 100 people being sought for questioning by the FBI.
Boston Herald, 9/16/01
Two of the suspected terrorists, Ahmed Alghamdi and Waleed Alshehri, stayed at the (Dunn Avenue) Anatole Apartments in Daytona Beach, Fla., in 1997, said Eric Bolten, president of Mid-America Apartment Communities, which owns the apartment complex.
The $500-per-month apartments, with access to hot tubs and tennis courts, are a mile from Daytona Beach International Airport and near the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Bolten said his Memphis-based company is cooperating with the FBI.
Ahmed Alghamdi also is linked to two other addresses less than a mile south of the Daytona Beach airport, as well as one within three miles of the Spruce Creek Airport.
The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
September 26, 2001
Two other suspects - Saeed Alghamdi and Waleed Al Shehri - had Florida links. They had an apartment in Daytona Beach, north of Orlando.
Al Shehri, thought to have been involved in the 1993 bomb attack on the Trade Center, resurfaced in Florida a year later.
Both enrolled at the Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, where Al Shehri studied for a commercial pilot's licence and graduated in December 1997.
The Mirror, 9/17/01
<So let's review. Waleed Alshehri lived in the same apartment with Saeed Alghamdi at one point and with Ahmed Alghamdi at another, and one point all three were in the same apartment together! Yet these three aren't supposed to come to the US until years later. The FBI says this is all a big misunderstanding, and all of these people were other people with the same name. So the media completely stopped investigating these early links by the end of Sept. 2001.>
<Which brings me to the timeline entry I've made about the stay at Vienna, Virigina:>
1999 (H): Diane and John Albritton later say they call the CIA and police this year several times to report suspicious activity at a neighbor's home, but authorities fail to respond. (MSNBC, 9/23/01, New York Daily News, 9/15/01) Hijacker Waleed Alshehri is renting the house on Orrin Street in Vienna, Virginia at the time (three blocks from a CIA headquarters). (AP, 9/15/01) He makes his neighbors nervous. "There were always people coming and going," said Diane Albritton. "Arabic people. Some of them never uttered a word; I don't know if they spoke English. But they looked very focused. We thought they might be dealing drugs, or illegal immigrants." (New York Times, 9/15/01) Ahmed Alghamdi lived at the same address until July 2000. (Fox News, 6/6/02, World Net Daily, 9/14/01) Waleed Alshehri lived with Ahmed Alghamdi in Florida for seven months in 1997. (Telegraph, 9/20/01) Albritton says they observed a van parked outside the home at all hours of the day and night. A Middle-Eastern man appeared to be monitoring a scanner or radio inside the van. Another neighbor says, "We thought it was a drug house. All the cars parked on the street were new BMWs, new Mercedes. People were always walking around out front with cellphones." There were frequent wild parties, numerous complaints to authorities, and even a police report about a woman shooting a gun into the air during a party. (World Net Daily, 9/14/01, note that this is a highly partisan publication) Other neighbors also called the police about the house. (AP, 9/14/01) "Critics say (the case) could have made a difference (in stopping 9/11) had it been handled differently." Standard procedures require CIA to notify FBI of such domestic information. But FBI officials have not been able to find any record that the CIA shared the information. (Fox News, 6/6/02)
<So very bizarre behavior seen THREE BLOCKS FROM CIA HEADQUARTERS. What are the odds of this Waleed Alshehri again being a mistaken identity when he's living with the same hijacker he'd been living with in Florida, Ahmed Alghamdi? Interestingly, the Fox News story from mid-2002 says investigators are still undecided if the Virginia Waleed is the hijacker, even though he's obviously the same guy as the early Florida guy who they long ago concluded wasn't the hijacker!>
<He also lived in Germany with Atta and Alshehri for a time:>
Two of the central suspects, Mohamed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi, were enrolled at a university in Hamburg before coming to Florida. And they shared an apartment with a third man -- Waleed Al Shehri -- who was also among the dead hijacking suspects, German authorities and media reports say. Al Shehri graduated from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach in 1997 and is listed as having a commercial pilot's certificate.
The Miami Herald
September 15, 2001
<This talks about the Hamburg apartment where Mohamed Atta lived:>
According to German news accounts, the residents of the apartment at times also included Waleed Alshehri, 25, who was trained to fly large aircraft such as the American Airlines flight from Boston on which he died. Property records show that Waleed most recently lived at the same address in Daytona Beach as Ahmed B. Alshehri, a former second secretary of the Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Washington. Both men formerly lived in Vienna, Va., simultaneously.
On Thursday, Hamid ``Avis'' Keshavarznia, who had been the suspected hijacker's landlord in Vienna, recalled that the elder Alshehri worked for the Saudi Embassy.
Washington Post, 9/14/01
<You can see how the Florida and Virginia Waleeds are the same guy, having lived with the same father in both places. Also note that the Hamburg apartment Atta stayed in was closed out in Feb. 2001. Yet officially Waleed only leaves his Saudi Arabia home with his brother for Mecca in Dec. 2000. So how could he be seen at times in the German apartment, unless it's all in January and February, 2001? Highly unlikely, because he is said to have gone to Chechnya.>
<He is later seen in Florida speaking fluent German:>
This past May, Mr. Shehri stayed at the Bimini Motel Apartments, on Ocean Drive in Hollywood, for a month. Joanne Solic, the manager of the low-cost motel, said Mr. Shehri stayed with another man, whose name she could not remember, and paid $650 cash for both. They got a one-bed room with an extra pull-out bed.
Although the men were from the Middle East, Ms. Solic said they spoke German. Two days before the men arrived, another German- speaking Middle Eastern man came in and said he had two friends coming to town and they needed a place for a month. "He spoke German and wanted to see the rooms," Ms. Solic said, adding that her husband spoke German and could talk with them.
New York Times, 9/15/01
<This is bizarre. Not only does he speak fluent German, but by all accounts he speaks very fluent English. Yet the FBI says he's merely 21 years old on 9/11 (his age varies, but they seem to have settled on that number), and had never left his remote provice of Asir, Saudi Arabia until going to Mecca not long before going to the US.>
<He also apparently attends an important al-Qaeda meeting in Spain with his brother in July 2001, showing he's not just some clueless muscle guy.>
Randy Baines lived at the same long-term hotel in Boynton Beach, Fla., this summer as a man who called himself Waleed Alshehri, allegedly one of the hijackers on American Airlines Flight 11 that hit the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.
Baines, a 48-year-old carpenter, talked about football and baseball with Alshehri, who appeared to be a Florida Marlins' fan.
"He was a really nice guy, very hospitable," Baines said. "But if he was involved in one of those plane crashes, I hope he goes to hell."
The Associated Press
September 21, 2001
<This Alshehri guy definitely sounds like someone who has spent a long time in the US. He's licensed to fly multi-engine aircraft. Compare him to some of the other muscle guys, one of whom didn't even know how to screw in a lightbulb.>
<There are two pairs of Alshehri brothers - one pair are the sons of a Saudi diplomat, the other sons of some guy in a remote province. I suggest they really were the sons of the diplomat, and the other brother pair is a cover story to hide these guys' very strange histories. I think understanding what these guys were doing living 3 blocks from CIA headquarters and their ties to the Saudi embassy is absolutely essential in understanding 9/11.>
<Mediaanalyse, or anyone else with German ties, can you find out if more is known about his time in Germany? When exactly he was there? That could help prove that the official story for this guy is completely impossible. Many of the other so called "muscle" hijackers have even more interesting histories and were in the US even longer, but that's for another time.>
|His whole existence is a fake.|
I researched a little bit when last summer our book was criticised in the "Spiegel", on TV and in other main media, but the "Spiegel" was the main one. We used the term "living hijackers" which is for sure contradictory, but any child knows a body cannot be alive and a living man cannot be dead in the WTC. But the "Spiegel" played with the word "zombie" and joked why we did not phone the Whalled Al-Shri in Casablanca. Who, as they "found out", was alive (what we had said) and he was mentioned by some media which just made a mistake, and we could have solved the mystery easily. That is the whole story. Which is misleading because we wanted to show that the identity of the allged hijackers is unclear, better: completly untrue.
- Our intention was: let us speak about the bodies unidentified ( 9 of them on ice, AA77 and UAL93) of the alleged hijackers.
- Their intention was: let us speak about the living ones and why the were (allegedly by mistake) named as hijackers.
A vivid role was the existence of fotos. I could prove that the Casavlanca guy felt identified not only by profession and name, but also by birthday AND Foto before Sept. 27th, when the "complete" list of suspects was published by the FBI.
All about that you can find in my file
which is in German - but most of the links are English. So I hope you find delightful news there.
Whereever you point - they will say: oh, a mistake, it is the wrong one. They never say: here is the right one, here are his mother, father, fotos, life in school and so on. Only of the pilots and of the CIA assets who brought them to do what was suspicious you will find "real" lifes. The pilots, Al-Hasmi, Al-Midhar and my baby Binalshib.
|Here's the ABC interview with the father. They had him in the studio with Barbara Walters and everything:|
These interviews with him and the father of Ahmed Alnami are just about the only interviews of any hijacker relatives in the US media I've ever seen.
I noticed the father says the sons actually diddled around Mecca and came back home in early 2001 before leaving Saudi Arabia and completely disappearing, so I don't see how they could be at Atta's Hamburg apartment at all.
But what's really wierd is that the diplomat father apparently claims the guy in Morocco as his son. Yet he also says in other articles he had both Wail and Waleed as sons, and the guy in Morocco says he has no brother Wail!
Father of Saudi Suspect in US Terror Attacks Denies Involvement
Agence France Presse
September 18, 2001
A Saudi diplomat who worked in Washington has denied the involvement of his son in last week's attacks in the United States, saying his boy is still alive and well, a newspaper reported Tuesday.
Ahmad Balghaith Abdulla al-Shehri said his son Waleed al-Shehri was not a passenger of the hijacked planes and is working as a pilot with Saudi Arabian Airlines (SAA), Al-Iqtissadia reported.
The father, who now works at the foreign ministry in Riyadh, said his son carries the same name and has the same age as in the information released by the Federal Bureau of Investigations. The son lived in Florida and Virginia in the United States where he graduated as a pilot.
The father said he himself was posted to the Washington embassy for five years before moving to the Saudi consulate in Bombay, India in 1998 and Waleed lived with him there.
On Sunday, another father of two sons called Waleed and Wail Mohammad al-Shehri, listed as suspects by the FBI, said he lost track of them 10 months ago when they left their home in southern Saudi Arabia for the holy city of Madina.
He said Wail, 21, was mentally ill and had gone to Madina for treatment by a cleric, accompanied by his older brother Waleed.
Now for the contradiction I found...
|In India, Saudi diplomat Ahmed Alshehri, based in Bombay, denied that he was the father of hijacker Waleed M. Alshehri or that he had ever served in the United States. Diplomatic lists, however, show an Ahmed Alshehri as second secretary at the Saudi Embassy in Washington, and property records, law enforcement sources and witnesses have linked him with Waleed. Reports from a Saudi newspaper editor said yesterday that both Waleed and Wail Alshehri, another hijacker, were Ahmed's sons. |
Back to their discussion.
|I've found another article:|
The Highway of Death
The London Times (Sunday)
January 27, 2002
That article specifically states while the run away to Mecca brothers came from a wealthy family, and some of their older brothers learned some English, they spoke no foreign languages.
So how is Waleed fluent in both English and German, long time fan of the Florida Marlins, etc???
Also, there's another interview, not online, with Waleed's older brother around the same time as the Barbara Walters interview with the father. It looks like there was a charm offensive right around then. It's billed as the first ever interview with any hijacker relative.
Up-close look at two of the hijackers of September 11th
by John Hockenberry
March 13, 2002
|Take it together. The person we are looking for can not be|
- the son of the Bombay diplomat
- the Casablanca guy
- the Embry Riddle pilot
- the Khamis Mushait one
(see here http://www.boston.com/news/packages/underattack/news/dr...
he came back to Saudi Arabia in December 2000, but the allegedly real Waleed stayed in the USA since 24.October ...)
And you can always say: "because of". We have logic and good sources to say "it can`t be ...". The conclusion is: the person we are looking for never existed, but it has parts of this character, that foto, this birtday, that name and so on. There are old jokes about those who always come to late. The CIA/NSA/PNAC/FBI are always the masters of the universe because they drop information where ever they want and withdraw it with a smile, when we come to close.
Remember that if you take the official FBI photos most of the witnesses say: "no that is not him" and nobody claims: yes that is him and here I have some more pics.
It is not weird - it is the result of a pre-planned operation using real persons (the allged pilots + the main CIA assets) and some CIA-dummies in the weeks before 9/11 who just told "my name is xyz, and look how suspicious I am".
There are puzzles which will never fit together because there never was a whole complete picture first. Some of the information-bits are so poor that it gets obvious. Mohald Al-Sheri. Suquami and so are nearly only existing as names and fotos. CIA officials are sometimes lazy in fantasysing. Telling fairy tales makes the parents sleepy too.
The greatest mistakes could be eradicated in the first weeks (i.e. simply to take Arabic names from flight schools)
Read the rest of the exchange here:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...63&mesg_id=7293
So in a nutshell, imagine untangling two phone cords. That's what we are doing.
They interwove the identities of the sons of the Saudi diplomat.
The million dollar question is, are those two shown in photos the real sons of the diplomat.
Or are they innocent victims that were set-up in the months leading up to 9/11. They could have been two brothers who were drawn to the US and merely implicated by association. The pics we have of Waleed in the Boynton Beach gym ID photo could be:
1) Innocent Waleed on a trip to America, while "Vienna, Embry-Riddle Florida, German visiting/speaking, diplomat son Agent Waleed" is attracting attention to himself for pre-9/27/01 (the day the photos and final lists were released by the FBI) releases to flourish the stories of his history as a hijacker with connections. Meanwhile people who met the "Vienna, Embry-Riddle Florida, German terror cell visiting/speaking, diplomat son Agent Waleed" living in America would just think, oh it was the wrong guy, mistaken ID. The rest of the world blends the two based on the confusing news releases. Innocent Waleed is framd because a intelligence operative lured him and his brother away from the strict muslim ways their father enforced. The operative stays out of pictures Waleed is in (or is one of the supposed hijackers) and Waleed is guilty by association. Being in the right place and the right time.
2) It IS the "Vienna, Embry-Riddle Florida, German visiting/speaking, diplomat son Agent Waleed" and they ARE the same person. All witnesses who met him in the locations, agree it's the same person. But news releases come out declaring he hung out at a suspicous middle eastern terrorist house near the CIA HQ, trained to be a pilot, and lived with hijackers in Germany and so those American witnesses go, 'ok yeah then it makes sense'. But then are confused by the admission of being alive and the son of a diplomat. The only problem with this scenario is Embry-Riddle would have taken major heat for training the cherub faced Waleed seen in photos and below. So they are either keeping quiet or when officials from Embry-Riddle see the photos, they realize it's not the same guy and everything is honky-doree.
That leads me to believe that #1 might be more likely.