The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion, Zionist handbook for world domination

Just went through this the other day.

Apparently this book first appeared in Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution.

People say this is the first modern day conspiracy theory and Zionist dismiss it as false,

What do you think?

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm

Oh boy!

That has to be the oldest and stupidest conspiracy hoax ever...
And yet, like when you step in a turd, it refuses to go away.

It's actually older than you wrote. It was written by the Russian Czar's inteligence service over a hundred years ago.

How do we know it's a forgery and a hoax? Well, parts of it are actually blatantly copied from some even older German and French fiction novels.

I try not to recommend wikipedia as a source, but you can read up on it there.

Exactly. If you still believe in this hoax you have no crediblity anymore.

No denying there are facts in there.

It talks about Zionists taking control of the banking system, you calling that a hoax?

Talks about getting the biggest weapons in the world. Israel has nukes, you call that a hoax?

if it is a hoax or not doesn't matter at all,
because almost every step to a zionistic world order that is
predicted in this book has already acomplished.

That is the scary point: Might be a hoax - but it is definetly no fiction.

Zinoists are so happy when people call this book a hoax.

It sounds like your mind is made up FL2 and your just promoting your cause!

MM

Just look at the cover you idiot!

Well, first of all you should get your facts straight. The book predates the Russian revolution, it didn't appear after it.

Second of all. Entire passages from this garbage, are copied from older French and German novels. Since the protocols are supposed to be transcripts of some sorts, are you suggesting that these sinister and nefarious jews are sitting and reading aloud memorized lines? Please!

This book is entirely fictional, and written with a certain purpose. The writer tried to make the book fit with certain facts or beliefs.
If there are jews in the banking system, or if there's a widespread belief that they control it, OF COURSE you write something like that in it. That way it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts

If you want to take over the world, having big weapons is a good place to start. That's just pretty common sense, isn't it?
What you just wrote is like saying: "The books talks about the sky being blue tomorrow, the sky is blue, ergo the protocols are true"

What about the cover?

What about the cover?

aaargh just forget this load of crap book. And just wtf is it with this jews vs. the world? Jeesus?

Do you even know why 9/11 was pulled off?

Let med guess... It's all predicted in the protocols?

Do you even know why 9/11 was pulled off?

Oh please enlighten me.

even i know its a hoax-


this is why we are now seen as wackos-


this site should be separated from conspiracy...

For some people....Jews are incapable of doing anything good and every step they take has some sinister plot or deed behind it. Unfortunately they are matched by those who think Jews can do no wrong. They are both equally disturbed.

There are good Jews and there are bad Jews. There are Zionists who seek justice and Zionists who seek war. No matter how black and white some people would like the world to be...it never is.

I know the guy who wrote that.

Anyone with enough patience to read this thing...let alone write it..without passing out...deserves to rule the Earth...be they Jew or Gentile.

I just don't understand these kind of responses.

Can you please PROVE that the protocols are a hoax. I am sincerely interested in your proof because I've not seen any to this day.

People give these eye rolling responses stating that the person who posted this thread was a fool without providing even a shred of proof of their argument.

At this point if anybody was to read them they would be quite convinced that the are in fact real.

You don't need scans from the original sources or anything just provide a few good links to websites that have this proof.

Can you prove that the Protocols are true? Can you prove that they are not simply a forgery motivated by hatred and bigotry?

If someone says the moon landing was faked...it is not therefore up to NASA to prove that they did indeed send men to the moon. Its up to the theorist to prove they did not.

If there is indeed a secret 100 year old conspiracy by Zionists to rule the Earth...this must be proved with evidence...a lot of it.

Can you prove that the Protocols are true? Can you prove that they are not simply a forgery motivated by hatred and bigotry?

If someone says the moon landing was faked...it is not therefore up to NASA to prove that they did indeed send men to the moon. Its up to the theorist to prove they did not.

If there is indeed a secret 100 year old conspiracy by Zionists to rule the Earth...this must be proved with evidence...a lot of it.

Search for some of my previous posts for my evidence.

I pointed out quite clearly the complete control of the media, the huge influence on American government, the AIPAC influence, the fact that the US funds the Zionist state, the International bankers, etc. On top of that we have communism, neo-conservatism, marxism, feminism all created or highly influenced by the same group. Then we have the racist religious fanaticism of the Talmud as a handbook.

If I was to look at these things and compare with the protocols I'd say the evidence points towards their authencity.

This thread is intended to talk about the protocols. We don't need another thread locked on account of people getting mad.

Now point us in the direction of the websites or other proof that you have so that we can see that your claims have some kind of backing. That is all I asked.

This post has been edited by Human Cattle on Sep 27 2006, 12:35 AM

Communism, socialism, feminism, the Civil Rights movemant, environmentalism, were all influenced by Jews. How do you jump to the conclusion that their involvemant must therefore be sinister and part of a vast conspiracy? Is it beyond the rhealm of possibility that Jews simply like to be influental and make a difference? Im not saying that everything all Jews do is moral and just....but it seems like you are concluding the exact opposite...that everything Jews do is sinister and evil. Am I reading you wrong?

I did say Communism and Feminism yes and then you added a bunch of your own and made a new list as if you were quoting me.

We're not going to get into a debate on these issues here. Communism simply cannot be defended as a humanitarian movement if that's what you were implying. Feminism could be debated because it has some good intentions, but the balancing point was crossed and now it's just plain stupidity. Most feminists are denying things called testosterone and estrogen. That can be debated in another thread.

So you ignored my comments and my question and tried to make it look like my thread was implying that all Jews are evil.

Show us the proof guys. This thread is about the Protocols nothing else. So far none of you that have condemned the protocols have shown this forum any signs of them being fraudulent.

I am seriously interested in seeing something.

@ dmayer76

Yes, you do. It is not about the jews, it is about the Zionists!

If the 'Protocols' are a Hoax or not is way less relevant than the fact,
that everything this doc predicted happened! EVERYTHING!

And when you read it, it is not to compare with the colour of the sky,
like you did. It is a very precise machiavellic plan that was carried out in execly that
way over the last 100 years. To even question it means not to know the history.

@ Human Cattle:

dmayer is a zionist agitator. It is useless to argue with him,
his goal is not to get out the truth about 911 but to seed anger among us.

@all Admins:

In case you didn't read my several requests, here it is once again:

Ban dmayer76!

Thank you in advance

Carl

The problem it seems to me is that it is largely fulfilled. What does the rest matter? If it were copied form satire then all that means is that authur noticed the Jacobins and the money bags financed the Jacobins as well. Someone mentioned it happened before the Russian revolution. Seeing as the Bolsheviks essentially carried much of it out then it seems like it was inspirational at the very least. World domination is essential to Judaism anyway. The question is its interpretation. A Sabbatean interpretation matches pretty well. Put atheistic Jews into power and scape goat the religeos Jews is a perfect plan from a Sabbatean point of view. WWII eliminated many religeos Jews, non-Zionist competition resisting Israel and created world sympathy to creat Israel. Israel is becomming another Jewish ghetto that the world hates to fulfill Sanhedrin 97b and bring the Son of David.

What is also quite brilliant is satire what you do ahead of time. It is the perfect cover. Regardless, it reads like the 20th century so somebody looks like they believed in its methods. Jews had better start to figure this out because they are and have been the #1 target of the protocols with Gentiles a close 2nd. In order for the Messiah to come, pious Judasim must be destroyed according to the mideval Kabbalistic insanity.
Some who call themselves Christians are not much different. They hope to be raptured away just as the worst evil appears. I can say that provoking God by doing evil satifies neither Chritianity or true Judaism. I am a Christian so I oviously I think Judaism has missed the boat but Torah Judaism is not behind the Protocols nor are most Jews. Its a Frankist/Sabbatean tool as my guess.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a Czarist political forgery that was exposed by the Times of London in 1921. That was 85 years ago, long before any of you were even born. The Protocols were written about twenty years before that, and the novels it was plagiarized from are decades older.

We know that it is a hoax because there are passages lifted almost word-for-word from an earlier satirical novel. Compare the text and you will see for yourself. This is what the Times of London did. You can read their 1921 articles (in text format or as PDF scans of the original) at the Emperor's Clothes: http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/times-pdf.htm More passages are compared in the Wikipedia article on the Protocols, and a shorter comparison appears in this essay:
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcus...otocolsMain.htm .

It all started with Napolean III, emperor of France. A novelist and lawyer named Maurice Joly wrote a satire in 1864 called "Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu" (in English that's "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu"), in which he criticized the ruler of France. You can read it from Project Gutenberg at http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/13187 . Machievelli represented the views of the despotic emperor, while Montesquieu represented the views of liberal republicanism. (You do know who Montesquieu and Machiavelli were, right? How many of you have read "The Prince"?) The book had nothing in it about race or religion, but that would soon be changed in the stories next incarnation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dialogue_...and_Montesquieu

In 1868, an anti-Semitic German named Hermann Goedsche copied the main story of Joly’s book for his own novel, "Biarritz". He rewrote the story, added some of his own "plot" (pardon the pun) devices, and replaced Machiavelli with a secretive group of Jews conspiring to take over the world. "Thus the world-conquering plans of the Elders of Zion came out of Goedsche’s trashy novel. But the Elders’ political dogmas and schemes, as well as the moral principles that were their foundation, came almost word for word from the speeches of Machiavelli in Joly’s petty satire on Napoleon III."
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mzionprotocol.html and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Goedsche

In the 1890's, Goedsche’s novel was reworked by agents of a Czarist Russian secret police unit that was working in Paris. Under the supervision of Pyotr Ivanovich Rachkovsky, these "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" were forged "to strengthen the czar Nicholas II's position by exposing his opponents as allies with those who were part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world".
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mzionprotocol.html

The Protocols were first published in 1903, in Russia. Then again in 1905, and ever after. Henry Ford published them in 1920 in a newspaper he controlled ("The Dearborn Independent"). Hitler cited the Protocols in "Mein Kampf" and in various speeches, and they have been a favorite of Nazis ever since. In the late 20th century they made the jump to the Arab world. In 2002, an Egyptian television company broadcast a miniseries based on the Protocols. These developments led the great artist Will Eisner to tell the real story in his final graphic novel, "The Plot: The Secret Story of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion". That book has even more text comparisons between the forgery and Joly's satire.

The Protocols hoax persists not because it's true, but because it's useful.

Perhaps my biggest mistake here is responding to postings that are really not worth responding to. Disagreeing rationally with something insanely irrational only leads creedance to it. The Protocols of the Elder of Zion has been proven to be a fraud and a forgery many times over. It is motivated by hatred of Jews...as it claims to be a blueprint for Jewish (not Zionist) world domination. For those who view Jews as sinister and evil..this document makes perfect sense. It doesn't matter if you say you are against Zionism..and not Judaism. This document makes no mention of Israel, Zionism, or Palestine. It only mentions Jews.

@dmayer76

You named it.

Um es hier mal ein für alle mal klarzustellen:
Du bist eine Pfeife und wenn ich Dir einen Rat geben darf, dann geh'
nach Haus' und pubertier dort alleine weiter, Du Schwachkopf.

Nix für ungut: CB

One cannot expect to prove anything with a book that is a known hoax.

The true 'use' of that book is reverse psychology. By using it as a scape-goat, the real actual Zionists, can cover themselves by saying, "Oh, you're one of those people who were decieved by the Protocols?"

Supporing fact by using discredited and poorly worded material helps no-one, so these 'Protocols' are useless.

This post has been edited by Rei Murasame on Sep 27 2006, 04:21 AM

Thank you LeeScoresby. Finally somebody who can answer a question. I'll check it out.