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A 757 Does Not Fit, Photographic analysis and Irregularities| Merc |
Posted: May 15 2006, 09:16 PM
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This, I hope, will be a great resource center for you guys. I have not found one person who can debunk this presentation that I've compiled. This is NOT about WHAT HIT the Pentagon. It's about WHAT DIDN'T hit the pentagon. It's about the official story and investigative party's conclusions being incorrect or contradicting itself. Or eyewitnesses who provide clues , but also contradictions. Much research is left to be done on what happed immediately around Rt 27 directly parallel to the Pentagon's breached wall. Let this serve as a photo source for you guys or a great presentation to use on other forums as it near definitively proves a 757 DID NOT hit the Pentagon. On the ST911 members only forum. I have recieved a positive response from Professor Steven Jones on this 'data and slides' presentation, which is what encouraged me to want to provide it here. Following my piece will be photos put together from letsroll members like myself and "O & A mind virus". (Sorry I had to turn the images to links because there was too many of them) Here's the Problem:
In this Purdue animation, they had to take the ENGINES OFF, in order for it to fit... http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulat...10sep02slow.gif Here, they had to place the engines ON the ground in order for it to make sense and it still doesn't account for the trailer, cable spools, two cars, and a tree which it supposedly cleared..... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/sozen.jpg Meanwhile, the surveillance video, faked or not, contradicts the entire investigative body's assertions about the entire plane entering... IN THIS SURVEILLANCE VIDEO IT IS CLEAR THAT THE TAIL IS *EJECTED OVER THE FIRST RING*: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...tailandbody.jpg Let's take a look at the alleged approach...
This is IMPOSSIBLE. There is absolutely NO WAY the wings could have hit the light poles on Rt 27, while MISSING the overhead sign and VDOT pole, and then clip a Jeep Grand Cherokee's antenna with it's engine. At 12-15 ft above Rt 27. It is pretty tough to hit the light poles, but miss the overhead sign and VDOT pole. Here is a (maybe *THE*) Jeep Grand Cherokee on Rt 27... http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/2.jpg So this guy claims it was 12-15 ft above Rt 27, which is right next to the Pentagon. And is a lie. Lee Evey...
So "six feet" above the ground is what he claims the plane came in at. This can only refer to the height above the lawn. Because it is IMPOSSIBLE to hit the light pole and the antenna and be "six feet off the ground". Six feet?... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...entanimxox1.gif I find that the height of 6 ft makes it impossible to hit the Pentagon and fit inside with no wreckage on the outside... Side view of the trailer http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...rcy_/pent-2.jpg The trailer... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/081.jpg This is being generous... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...n_fen_no757.jpg BUT HOW CAN THE PLANE DROP NEARLY 10 FT IN A MATTER OF MILLISECONDS, from Rt 27 to the generator. Back to the height of the craft. It also had to clear spools of cable... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...y_/sideview.gif http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...spools_B757.jpg And a tree (stump) http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/072.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...mp_fireball.jpg And two cars that it didn't touch... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...rcy_/sept11.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...cy_/133_285.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/080-large.jpg This supposed 757 was going 350mph, or 506 feet per second conservatively. According to the 911 Commission report, it was going 500 mph. How is this pilot able to bring the plane low enough to enter the ground floor, but high enough to hit the generator and all other HIGHER obstacles as well? How can he correct the height in less than a second without touching the grass??? Especially when eyewitness reports and the supposed surveillance video shows it coming in STRAIGHT, NOT ON A DESCENT, LOW and FAST. Let's now turn to the wings and engines... THE RIGHT WING/ENGINE This is probably one of the most damaging aspects of the Pentagon situation. Reports had the right wing tilted up in order to supposedly accomodate this generator trailer.
The only problem is, there is NO entrance for the wings OR the engine. It only shows damage of BLOWN *OUT* limestone facade columns. Meanwhile they want you to believe a 767 and it's wings and engine can slice through structural steel at the WTC, but NOT 2 feet of concrete, brick, limestone, and a kevlar cloth... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/106-large.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...engine_fit2.jpg BLOWN *OUT* limestone facade columns, no entrance hole: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/074-large.jpg A more defined shot: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...-foam-small.jpg Remember this, is *supposed to be* damage from the 44,000 lb tilted right wing of a 757... Note how the damage is localized, the "wing" damage has no continuity(red circle), It is confined in between columns 18 and 19. With Damage in beween 19 and 20, And 21 (Floor 2): http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...foam-small2.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...t-wing-gash.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...right-1-big.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...-wing-gash2.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer.../pentagon15.jpg AGAIN, THIS WOULD ADD MORE PROBLEMS TO THE HEIGHT OF THE THIS SUPPOSED 757'S ATTACK PATH. Only placing the wing a few feet above the first floor window, but leaving no engine or wing behind as the engine would have hit the generator and or the wall and either entered or been left behind on the outside of the building. This also contradicts the supposed LEFT WING BURN/IMPACT MARK. But we'll get to that in a minute. LEFT WING/ENGINE http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...sideoutline.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/10.jpg This is one is a little trickier. This is proably what the right side SHOULD HAVE looked like. But maybe the explosives didn't go off as planned. Clearly you can see columns still intact... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...agon_347626.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...-66641853-1.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...agonDamage4.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...sn010914-12.jpg Here's something you don't see everyday. Directly under the left engine/wing impact area. Straight out to the right from where the photographer is standing you would probably end up where the burning cars were. Note column 9A I believe, still intact... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer..._/100-large.jpg Now note the burn/impact mark from the supposed left wing... http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/3-8.jpg IT IS PERFECTLY LEVEL!!! Completely contradicts the tilting of the right wing! Again they want you to not only believe that an entire 757 fit UNER THE FIRST FLOOR. They want you to believe wings and an engine fit under this first floor... The engine, RB211: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/73.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...211535e45tl.jpg And the wing.. Into and under this: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/4548.jpg http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...agon-flag02.jpg (Note the level burn mark from the supposed wing) Under this: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/mer...Windowering.jpg A 8-9ft engine diameter, coming in at 6 ft above the ground. Tilting in milliseconds, enters into a 12-14.1 (there appears to be a slight grade) ft first floor section while missing a Jeep Grand Cherokee, and several columns. All while the wing absolutely does not fit, and the wall does not show signs of being hit by a 44,000 lb wing section...
The tail section/vertical stabilizer/rudder is the center of this issue. It should have hit the upper floors according to the official story. And even enters the building according to Purdue, ASCE, and others. What does Joe Hryczyk the FAA licensed A & P Mechanic who surveyed plane crashes for the military (who also provided the technical data to the members of the US Senate and US Congressional sub-committees on Aviation with respect to 'radio-controlling/flying' Boeing 7x7's from the ground via satellite hook up) have to say about that huge tail section (vertical stabilizer/rudder) and more:
Tail Sections are not flimsy by any means...they usually survive crashes. http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/2.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/1.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...-005_screen.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/pl7.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mer...eb__430x301.jpg http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e207/Mercury2/183.jpg Check out this animation, it sums it up all pretty well: http://pentagonresearch.com/029.html |
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| Sun Zoo |
Posted: May 15 2006, 09:28 PM
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Good one Merc!
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| JackD |
Posted: May 15 2006, 09:32 PM
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One for the archives. |
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| Russell Pickering |
Posted: May 15 2006, 10:07 PM
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Merc,
GREAT presentation!!! Russell |
 
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| Merc |
Posted: May 16 2006, 07:23 PM
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Russell, coming from you that means a lot. I've referenced a lot of your work and made sure to try and give you credit. I'm glad you were paying to attention to Karl Schwarz' bull. As you were one of the people I turned to from that point forward. Again I am glad you are nearby now and we can converse on the Pentagon more freely here. Questions: How do you feel about the Mike Walter now? The same? How come your site was down for a while? I have some stuff I would like to discuss with you. I will PM you after all the Pentagon vid stuff dies down. |
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| BoneZ |
Posted: May 16 2006, 09:14 PM
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Great work! I've noticed something in the pentagon videos that nobody else has mentioned and when i make my presentation, i hope everyone will agree. I will have it done by sometime this weekend.
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| Terrorcell |
Posted: May 16 2006, 09:51 PM
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Brilliant.
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| Merc |
Posted: May 17 2006, 07:23 PM
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Thanks TC and the rest of you guys.
Hey TC, what's up with all the flip flopping going on at 911T? |
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| idonteatlivepuppies |
Posted: May 17 2006, 07:25 PM
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 Looks like it fits to me! |
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| Merc |
Posted: May 17 2006, 07:37 PM
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Try using an image of a jet at THE RIGHT ANGLE.
And the right size. |
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| idonteatlivepuppies |
Posted: May 17 2006, 07:39 PM
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You're right, its not at the right angle, it should be tilted the other way. The scale is very close, though.
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| Merc |
Posted: May 17 2006, 07:49 PM
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Look at the port wing(left wing)...it is not level with the burn mark oilempire and countless others claim is from the planes left wing.
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| Merc |
Posted: May 22 2006, 08:02 PM
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| OCMARK |
Posted: May 23 2006, 02:50 AM
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Merc post------Puppies post No contest  Merc fantastic work on that one Thanks for the thread/post |
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| Merc |
Posted: May 23 2006, 07:25 PM
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Thanks, Oc.
More window size scale reference:   |
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| Merc |
Posted: May 31 2006, 03:40 PM
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Bump, because NO ONE can debunk this.
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| JackD |
Posted: Jun 1 2006, 11:23 PM
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Most convincing photo: the limestone and columns blown OUT, not in. They had just reinforced that bit....
I guess when the wings of the 757, laden with refined kerosene fuel, folded up next to the fuselage, and penetrated the Pentagon through that 16ft hole, the kerosene then exploded with massive overpressures. Frickin' kerosene... first it levels TWO of Silverstein's buildings... then it destroys the Pentagon. Really, a bad day for hydrocarbons all around, if you count the diesel tanks that leveled 7 WTC. IN all seriousness -- MERC!  |
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| CrazyBlade |
Posted: Jun 1 2006, 11:29 PM
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I take MAJOR offence to being called "scum of the earth". There is NO place for that on ANY forum, period. What gives YOU the right to come here and insult ANYONE for having a different viewpoint to your own. I hope the mods pick up on this one cos this time you've gone WAY over the line. Man, I'm pissed.   |
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| Mathias |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 01:39 AM
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Hahaha GREAT POST Merc.
Look at that  the skeptics go for the personal attack. DEBUNK PLEASE Really, unrefutable post Merc, tap yourself on the back for that one. |
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| Merc |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 12:51 PM
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Wow. Angry are we? Look, Captain Comprehension, why don't you debunk it. Disect it. Piece by piece. Show me where I am wrong. |
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| Merc |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 12:56 PM
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Btw, Thanks again guys for all the support and positive reinforcement.
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| LondonEye |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 01:05 PM
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slc That's not very nice... See you in a few weeks...  |
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| slick |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 01:15 PM
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Great report!
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| CrazyBlade |
Posted: Jun 2 2006, 10:58 PM
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In my anger at slc earlier I forgot to say:
Merk, fantastic work, and something I will be printing out as a keeper to my 9/11 work. Nice one. Would you have any problem with me referencing this in a project I'm working on?? CrazyBlade |
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| dubl0donut |
Posted: Jun 4 2006, 10:09 PM
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great job merc, this should be pinned!
This post has been edited by dubl0donut on Jun 4 2006, 10:09 PM |
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| Merc |
Posted: Jun 5 2006, 02:35 PM
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Thanks so much Crazy Blade. Absolutely you can use it. Please do. I hope more people do. |
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| Merc |
Posted: Jun 5 2006, 02:35 PM
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Thanks so much doubl. I wholeheartedly agree. It should be pinned. |
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| Killtown |
Posted: Jul 9 2006, 05:43 PM
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I found a good scale drawing (don't know if it's 100% accurate) that shows how absurd the wings could just disappear:
 (I enarlged it 2x.) http://hometown.aol.de/rkinet/html/pentagon_3.html |
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| Killtown |
Posted: Jul 9 2006, 08:33 PM
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That scale is wrong according to the official story which basically has the plane hitting the 1st floor:  http://killtown.911review.org/flight77/pbpr.html#6 |
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Colums 9, 10 and 11 are missing, but 15, 16, 17, ..., aren't. 15 and 16 also bend outwards slightly. In my opinion, the wings should have the largest impact force at columns 15, 16 (etc ...), since those were hit first. So those should be missing, and 9, 10 and 11 shouldn't.