White Jet Analysis

http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit13/

don't think so...

http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit13/

don't think so...

Ah well. It is possible that this E-4B is legitimately up in the air because the country is under attack. That's what one of it's purposes is.

http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2hit13/

don't think so...

Ah well. It is possible that this E-4B is legitimately up in the air because the country is under attack. That's what one of it's purposes is.

doubtful. all four of those planes could have been shot down had SOP been in effect. i think an e-4B would have been the last option...not to mention the C-130 trailing "Flight 77"

but that white plane is definitely suspicious, no question.

b/c I haven't read it (luzy) what time was this USAF 747 in the air?
And what's the captian's nest for?

Holy smokes!

If this is an E-4B (and I'm reading the link you provided correctly) these are stationed at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.

Offutt Air Force base is over 1,000 miles from D.C. so, unless this aircraft was launched from a Forward Operating Base on the East coast it would take a few hours of flight time to get there. The cover story has to be it was participating in one of the "training" exercises on September 11th.

Given the current interest in the Vanity Fair article and the NORAD tapes I'd love a Pentagon reporter to ask what an E-4B was doing over Pentagon airspace at the time and who was in it.

we're still in the maybe phase of identifying this plane, you know. it *might* be an e4-b, then again it *might* also be a regular 747 that had been departing or arriving at dulles just prior or just after the pentagon strike. remember full ground stop ddint actually reach the airports till around 9:45, several minutes AFTER the pentagon was hit. this could be an innocuous plane. it is highly suspicious, yes, especially considering the story the c-130 crew gives is that it was the only plane in the immediate area of the flight 77.

dylan... any idea where your footage was shot from?
the claim on the bbc footage is it was shot from ANC.

any-one else familiar with any carriers that fly out of dulles, that use any 4 engine plane that has minimal markings like the one in the video?

I see IAD approach/depatrue(s) every day, living 10 minutes down the road from it.
You can always tell when the 747 comes in, it's is loud like no other.

Or maybe a list of all the planes that landed in D.C. on 9/11?

Holy smokes!

If this is an E-4B (and I'm reading the link you provided correctly) these are stationed at Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska.

Offutt Air Force base is over 1,000 miles from D.C. so, unless this aircraft was launched from a Forward Operating Base on the East coast it would take a few hours of flight time to get there. The cover story has to be it was participating in one of the "training" exercises on September 11th.

Given the current interest in the Vanity Fair article and the NORAD tapes I'd love a Pentagon reporter to ask what an E-4B was doing over Pentagon airspace at the time and who was in it.

Useful info is in Paul Thompson's time line:


global guardian was using E-4B

Well, it's a good thing they were on the scene then. I'm sure they could tell which blips on the ATC screens were false/real. They probebly were able to tell Dick Cheney
"50 miles" "30 miles" "10 miles" "..orders.."

/oops

Did I just say that..

my opinion: first video shot posted in this thread is definately the b52: its got the long straight wings etc. That plane in the shot at the whitehouse is definately a seperate different plane. So there where TWO planes in the air, or one was photoshopped (ie the whitehouse one to stop people wondering why there was a b52 above where a cruise missile or drone is claimed to have hit the pentagon....

My take? after reading about the america west plane that landed at the airport with almost the exact right tail number at the exact right time and matching the description of the firefighter witness, I reckon it was a flyover by that plane, while a cruise missile/drone or similar hit the pentagon from the b52, and exlposives (ie cordite) went off in the pentagon to kill all the bookkeepers and accountants. Of course thats just my opinion and even im not all that certain of it...

These E-4B National Airborne Operations Center planes—nicknamed “Doomsday” planes during the Cold War—are intended to control nuclear forces from the air in times of crisis. They are capable of acting as alternative command posts for top government officials from where they can direct US forces, execute war orders and coordinate the actions of civil authorities in times of national emergency. The Federal Advisory Committee (whose chairman is retired Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft) is aboard one of these Doomsday planes, being brought to Offutt to observe the exercise. Media accounts indicate Global Guardian is cancelled at Offutt shortly after the second WTC tower is hit (at 9:03 a.m.), with staff switching to “real-world mode.” [US Department of Defense, 1/9/2002; Air Force Weather Observer, 7/2002; Omaha World-Herald, 9/8/2002] However, even after Global Guardian is called off, the three E-4Bs remain airborne. [Omaha World-Herald, 2/27/2002; BBC, 9/1/2002]

so we know that 3 e4-b's were airborne on the morning of 9/11. seems reasonable that one would be in the area of DC for the excersize.

And the Red team won I bet /smirk

Awesome info by the way.

Given the "completely unexpected" circumstances of 9/11 hijacking/building crashes, it would seem reasonable that the Global Guardian gamers (dovetailed with Vig.Guardian/Warrior) would keep the already-airborne communications craft in the air.

an E4B is no use on the ground in Offutt - or elsewhere.

So I think there is nothing sinister per se about them remaining airborne to give communications/electronic surveillance/jamming etc support to defensive operations.

You know, protect the Pentagon, by say, jamming the signals of any incoming aircraft. Good defensive posture -- keep the birds flying until the situation is fullly under control (which was not until very late in the day, as NEADS etc were STILL chasing phantom radar blips and confusing reports)

I do not know the various capabilities of the E4B, but, i'll bet a case of cold corndogs that Hutch or other aircraft historians might.

The role of the E4B in global guardian is unclear, other than to 'train like we fight' -- keep nuclear launch CCC and key bases + pentagon in communication. There is no evidene to suggest any E4Bs were part of RedTeam attack plans.

Yet.

After stewing on this for a while a couple of questions come to mind:

- Global Guardian justifies the presence of an E-4B in the airspace around D.C. but why isn't it mentioned as an asset by NORAD in the Vanity Fair piece? You'd expect a commander scrambling for information to sieze just about any asset available and take advantage of it to provide better intelligence.

- According to the timeline, three of the four E-4Bs are participating in the Global Guardian. One is in route to Offett. One may be over D.C.. Where is the third one?

Any British Correspondents want to help with this? London Eye? Gonna send the e-mail.

I have doubts about this white plane:

1. According to wikipedia:

2. According to complete timeline:

Wouldn't it be a perfect command post for controlling the "exercise"? Not being forced to land as military plane, unsuspicous...

If it was an inside job, they would not use planes with a logo "here comes the bomb"

The photo of the four engined white jet taken by Linda Brookhart and the jet flying over Arlington are the very same plane.

View THIS 12 SEC VIDEO to see higher quality footage of the white jet from the BBC Ehud Barak interview.

On September 11, 2001, the BBC received footage of what they thought was the plane that hit the Pentagon. This footage of a white jet flying over Arlington towards the Pentagon was not shown again.

It's so ironic I read this today because I was half tempted to call you last night. I was brainstorming about how no one saw AA77 flyover and came to the realization that this plane is "AA77".

Some of your witnesses even described the AA77 as white you stated, and this sure goes along with all the "unmarked" statements. It also explains why the SS was outside pointing up at it and had quickly determined that it was not a threat.


Sir, do the orders still stand?

The White Jet is the elephant in the living room.

it was directing war games and drills -- and possibly providing a visual message to the white house about who was now in charge of the country.

hint: wasnt George.

JackD.. is that you?

I was inspired by JackD, shall we say.

(Even though, between us, some of his posts made me think he was suffering from 9/11-research-associated-temporary-insanity-syndrome)

Truth can't Wait.

Is there any time reference on any of these besides "it is not the plane that struck the Pentagon several minutes later"?