The Bottom Line, Educate yourselves

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77...y+zionist&hl=en

I am going to finish watching this before I make my points, but 6 minutes in, I already have issues.

Hi RamTime

Whilst we are not ruling out any particular perpertrators, can you please let me know what this has to do "DIRECTLY" with the 9/11 investigation.

I have watched some of your film, plus jumped through the rest and cannot see any references to 9/11.

I respect your opinion, but if this has nothing to do with 9/11 then it should be in the lounge.

What say ye ?

Thanks

LondonEye

I've come across 9/11 references in the film.

I really really want to tear this film apart, but I will remain patient.

*twitch*

Tetchy can you agree that the Iareal/Palestinian issue in the USA, does not give voice to the other side most of the time?
I like the video on my signature have you seen this one?

I agree that the USA and the rest of the world should keep their noses out of the Israel issue.

I can't take this anymore. These people are quoting the Gemorrah left and right, taking things so insanely out of context that they are presenting a biblical version of the Pentagon.

They say that there are prayers that thank G-d for not making them Gentiles. This is such a horrible translation it makes me twitch. The prayer is "Sheloh asanee aved" which translates into "for not making me a slave". There is also a prayer that says "Sheloh asanee eeshah" which translates into "for not making me a woman" and women say "Sheloh asanee esh". Does this mean that Jewish men hate Jewish women and vice versa?

I can see where these people are coming from and I will not argue the fact that Israel is completely mishandling the situation, but the disinformation coming from this video is deplorable.

I hope that I am not reading you wrong but you sound like a bigot in your last post.

You are right you (palestinians and Israelis should all fight it out mano y mano, If that is the case and what you really want "the USA out of your business", then give back all the tanks and artilary, fighter jets and 500 nukes given to you by the USA and I am sure they will happily leave you to your bidding. Well at least the ones that are not "in bed" with them (Israel) here.

Check this one out first:

http://www.realrepublic.com/index.php/2005...l-what-i-smell/

I dont like the video that much either and havent seen it mention 911 so I think it needs to go to the Lounge

"The Talmud outlawed the issue of a Gentile as that of a beast". This is supposed to explain that Jews think of Gentiles as beasts.

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO.

Read the rest of the text surrounding that very issue that they bring up. They are talking about the issue of marriage. They are likening marrying a Gentile to that of marrying a beast. Jews have strict marriage laws and they state that you must marry a Jew. Is it a crude and disrespectful way of approaching the situation? Yes. But this DOES NOT MEAN THAT JEWS TREAT GENTILES LIKE BEASTS OR INTEND TO. Never once in my entire life as an Orthodox Jew was anything said negatively about Gentiles as a general whole. Obviously, negative things are said about people, but this has nothing to do with their religious affiliation.

The fact that she dares make the correllation between the two sickens me.

I also like how she adds the word child into the text, even though it's clearly not there.

Whoa. I am not pro-Israel or Palestine or anything. I used to be a practicing Jew, but gave up religion completely. I do not believe any group has any divine right to be there and I certainly do not condone any fighting from either side.

I feel that the USA and the rest of the world feel guilty for making Israel a state and then starting wars since the 40's and that is why they do what they do.

It's going to take me a year to get through this at this rate.

She says that the Gemorrah is saying that it was ok that Israelis put 4 Palestinians in a pit and buried them alive because of a passage from Sanheddrin.

She is taking quotes from random places and throwing them together as to make sentences that make no sense whatsoever. She is putting words into the text that aren't there. She says things about if a Christian is in a pit and a Jew puts a stone over it, he isn't liable. IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT JEWS AND CHRISTIANS and if you read the rest of the passage, it says the reasoning is only applicable if it is in a high traffic area where more people might fall in if it is left uncovered.

I studied Gemorrah for 7 years. There is alot of weird shit in there, such as "Shur shinagoch as haporah, vinimtzah uvrah litzeeda vain yudoah im ad sheloh nigocha yulda, chatzee nezek lavlad, oo riveah nezek la por." Which means if a bull gores a small cow and the small cow dies, the owner of the cow wil receive full damages and the owner of the bull is required to pay half. How the hell does that make any sense? I dunno. It doesn't. But this is the Gemorrah, it was written over hundreds of years by many people and it's sole purpose was the same as documenting Roe v. Wade.

This film is an attrocity at best.

"The Talmuds homicidal hatred of Gentiles leaps from it's pages."

If anyone can read the passages that she has clearly printed on the page and see anywhere where that could be derived, please tell me. I studied this for 7 years. I have covered almost the entire Gemorrah in my time. I have not ONCE seen anything proclaiming hatred of Gentiles.

NOT ONCE.

The Zohar is not a greater authority than the Talmud. These people are utterly insane. No one thinks that it is.

You know, I need to make a point here, one that should stick in everyone's minds more than anything else that I have said or will said.

I was not born Jewish. When I was three, I became a Ger, which is a convert. As a Ger, when one becomes 13, they have to make the choice whether they will remain Jewish, or if they will keep the Shevah Mitzvos binai Noach, which are the 7 Laws that Noah put into law. Basically, don't kill, steal, etc. The Rabbi's of the community and everyone around the Ger HAVE TO discourage the Ger from accepting Judiasm. I was turned away 3 times, as is required by the law and told that it is easier if I accepted a Gentile lifestyle and just kept the laws. I was told that I would be taken care of in the same way I was as a Jew, I would not be looked down upon by anyone in the community and would be JUST AS GOOD AS A JEW.

If you can find any place here where there is evidence of hatred for Gentiles, please point it out.

PLEASE.

Although not really related directly to 9/11, this is a must see video in understanding why "anti-Semitism" exists and why the so called "Jews" stage false flag attacks to further their political and religious goals.

Although not really related directly to 9/11, this is a must see video in understanding why "anti-Semitism" exists and why the so called "Jews" stage false flag attacks to further their political and religious goals.

No this video is a complete factual abomination and should not be seen by anyone. Please read my previous posts and realize I am only 1/5 of the way through it.

The words of a Jew that prays the Kol Nidei is not to be trusted. This is not some blanket prayer that allows Jews to wantonly go out and commit sins.

So how the hell is this any different from confessional? Please tell me how.

Thanks for the link Ram. Sounds interesting i'm going to watch it now.

Although not really related directly to 9/11, this is a must see video in understanding why "anti-Semitism" exists and why the so called "Jews" stage false flag attacks to further their political and religious goals.

No this video is a complete factual abomination and should not be seen by anyone. Please read my previous posts and realize I am only 1/5 of the way through it.

The only people I see disagreeing this are Jews & Christians that support Zionism and actually Talmudism because Talmudism cancels out Judaism. This video is very accurate and will definitley be a hard pill to swallow for people who have been conditioned to be pro-Zionist but even those folks should see this to understand how the outsider sees him and what they can do to alleviate the situation.

This post has been edited by nesNYC on Jun 11 2006, 10:44 PM

Although not really related directly to 9/11, this is a must see video in understanding why "anti-Semitism" exists and why the so called "Jews" stage false flag attacks to further their political and religious goals.

No this video is a complete factual abomination and should not be seen by anyone. Please read my previous posts and realize I am only 1/5 of the way through it.

The only people I see disagreeing this are Jews that support Zionism and actually Talmudism because Talmudism cancels out Judaism. This video is very accurate and will definitley be a hard pill to swallow for people who have been conditioned to be pro-Zionist but even those folks should see this to understand how the outsider sees him and what they can do to alleviate the situation.

Not only am I no longer a practicing Jew, I also am for an equal sharing of the land between Israel and Palestine, so your point is incorrect.

As for saying this video is correct, I can say this: The Talmudic passages are horribly taken out of context, not factual or just invented out of thin air by these two geniuses.

As for what they are talking about with regards to the mistreatment of Palestinians and the control of the Israeli government? It's pretty dead on.

But making the connection between that the Talmud is the basis for murder is so so so wrong it's unbelievable.

Also, what the hell is a Talmudist? Are people inventing sects now? Every Jew on the planet that goes to a Hebrew school will study the Talmud.

Seeing people that have never opened a Gemorrah saying that this is correct is an insult to me. I have studied almost everything that they spoke about. I have a feeling I am a bit more of an expert on the subject than you or them.

Why don't you want anyone to watch this video tetchypoo? You sound like a NeoCon who doesn't want anyone to watch Loose Change 2.

Actually, I should backtrack. You should completely ignore the points made about the connection of the Talmud to the murder of innocent people. The points they make about Israeli misconduct in Palestine is well founded and mostly correct.

I'll change what I initially said to this: Ignore everything about the connection between the Talmud and the supposed hatred, dehumanization and murder of Gentiles.

Perel, Wolfowitz are Zionists. Feith won the most prestegous award given by the Zionist. Zionist control the media. Zionist control the government. Ariel Sharon said "We the Jewish people contrtol America". The largest spy ring in US history was uncovered between 2000 and 2001 and it was an Israeli spy ring.

Zionists have a record of attacking Americans in order to frame Arabs.

According to FOX news, throughout late 2000 and 2001, a total of 200 Israeli spies were arrested. It was the largest spy ring to be uncovered in the history of the US.

“Lavon Affair" 1955: Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt.

USS Liberty 1967: Israeli gunboats and fighter jets deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, an unarmed US communications ship. Thirty five American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured in a prolonged Israeli onslaught carried out in broad daylight and with the US flag flying prominently. The intent was to kill all of the Americans and then leave the Egyptians to take the blame.

Americans servicemen attacked in German night club: 1989: Israelis framed Libya for the bombing of a German night club which killed American servicemen.
Source: A Mossad (Israeli spy agency similar to our CIA) case officer Victor Ostrovsky became so disgusted with the criminal behavior of his own government that he defected from the Mossad and tried to warn America of just how evil and dangerous they were. Mossad often uses Arab agents to carry out missions, that Israeli agents are skilled at impersonating Arabs, that Mossad had a plan to turn American public opinion against Iraq, and that wealthy Zionists in America are often called upon to help carry out Mossad missions.

On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them "dancing", "high fiving", and "celebrating" as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey. The police and FBI field agents became really suspicious when they found box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports.

In February of 2000, Indian intelligence officials detained 11 members of what they thought was an Al Qaeda hijacking conspiracy. It was then discovered that these 11 "Muslim preachers" were all Israeli nationals! India’s leading weekly magazine, The Week, reported:
On January 12 Indian intelligence officials in Calcutta detained 11 foreign nationals for interrogation before they were to board a Dhaka bound Bangladesh Biman flight. They were detained on the suspicion of being hijackers. "But we realized that they were Tabliqis (Islamic preachers), so we let them go", said an Intelligence official. The eleven had Israeli passports but were believed to be Afghan nationals who had spent a while in Iran. Indian intelligence officials, too, were surprised by the nationality profile of the eleven. "They say that they have been on Tabligh (preaching Islam) in India for two months. But they are Israeli nationals from the West Bank," said a Central Intelligence official. He claimed that Tel Aviv "exerted considerable pressure" on Delhi to secure their release. "It appeared that they could be working for a sensitive organization in Israel and were on a mission to Bangladesh," the official said.

Nearly 500 foreign nationals from over 80 different nations were killed in the World Trade Center. As a center of world trade and finance this is not surprising. It is also commonly known that many Israelis work in the field of international trade and finance. The laws of probability dictate that among the nearly 500 dead foreign nationals, from over 80 different nations, there should have been a considerable number of Israelis. But the number of Israeli dead was suspiciously low, especially when we consider the report, contained in the September Jerusalem Post, that the Israeli embassy in America was bombarded on 911 with calls from 4000 worried Israeli families. Total Israelis killed in the World trade Center; 0 That’s right Zero.

On September 27, The Washington Post reported that two workers of the Israeli company Odigo (with offices also in New York) received instant message warnings to get out of the buildings just two hours before the attacks.

an Israeli government run company Zim Navigational is the 9th largest shipping company in the world. Just one week before 911, Zim Navigational moved out of its World Trade Center offices with over 200 workers.

Two terrorist suspects were apprehended in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. Caught red handed, they had in their possession a high powered gun, nine hand grenades, and C 4 plastic explosives (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Within days, this blockbuster story not only disappeared from the Mexican press, but the terrorists were released and deported! The two terrorists were Salvador Gerson Sunke and Sar ben Zui. Can you guess what their ethnicity was? Gerson Sunke was a Mexican Jew and Zui was a colonel with the Israeli special forces.

Then there was that small army of Israeli "art students" who were arrested for trying to sneak into secured US Federal buildings and staking out 36 Department of Defense sites.

In November of 2001, 6 more suspicious Israelis were detained in an unspecified mid eastern state. They had in their possession box cutters, oil pipeline plans, and nuclear power plant plans. The local police called in the Feds and Immigration officials took over the scene and released the men without calling the FBI.

In December of 2001, the Los Angeles Times published the story of how two Jewish terrorists were arrested by the FBI for plotting to blow up the office of US Congressman of Arab descent Darrell Issa. (A Republican from California), and also a California mosque. Irv Rubin and Earl Kruger of the radical Zionist Jewish Defense League (JDL) were charged with conspiracy to destroy a building by means of explosives.

" We believe with absolute certitude that now, with the White House and Senate in our hands along with the Pentagon and the New York Times, the lives of Arabs do not count as much as our own. Their blood does not count as much as our blood. We believe with absolute certitude that now, when we have the Israel lobby and Edgar Bronfman and the Anti Defamation League, , we truly have the right to tell 400,000 people that in eight hours they must flee from their homes. And that we have the right to rain bombs on their villages and towns and populated areas. That we have the right to kill without any guilt."
Ari Shavit
Israeli journalist

Did you read a single thing I wrote before you went on a copy/paste fest? I am not arguing Israel's position. They are wrong. Sharon has no place to say that the Jewish people run anything. Most Jews want him out of the office and oppose his tactics of kill first, ask questions later.

Please read what I write before you waste bandwith.

Here's an interesting piece:

Do Not Censor the Talmud, Please

So you admit that these activities took place. (Copy and paste fest). You must also agree that all evidence points to Israel for the attacks on the WTC. You must also admit that it is Jewish people in control of the media covering it up. You must also admit Jewish people in the government made it possible or even carried out the attacks. You must also admit that pressure from AIPAC causes other government officials to aid in all of the above.

What I'm saying is that people need to focus their energy elsewhere. This road is a dead end. If you really think that Zionists are controlling everything in the government, you're never going to get anywhere anyway. You could have half the nation at a rally and the "Zionist" media would proclaim: "Crazy bastards wear tinfoil hats at rally today".

If it were Chinese people in these positions, you would blame Communism. If it were extremists, you would blame Fundamentalism. If it were a group of sociologists, you would blame Conflict Theorism.

As for that link you provided nesNYC, I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. Please clarify.

The Zionists aren't even in control but they like to think they are. The are deceptively being used by the world ruling class and "Israel" is their mockery of God and his people. In other words, the Zionists have sold their souls to the devil and exercise his creed so it is no wonder that the Zionist state is bathed in blood.

As for the link, it's pretty self explanatory. There are interpretations in the set of books you call harmless that when interpreted a certain way actually corroborate what the makers of the film are saying. I'm not saying this is all factual but those passages can be interpreted that way. The author of that piece seems to be convinced of this.