Can Someone Please Explain A Few Things To Me?

So... I'm totally on board with many of the proofs that are presented in the video and in other sources, but if they are true, then I don't understand some other things and I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts or evidence to explain those things...

1) if a plane didn't hit the pentagon (and it's hard to believe that it could have) then where IS that plane? I mean, it's impossible that all those grieving relatives are paid off to pretend right? So, was the actual plane just flown to some undisclosed location and everyone on board killed?

2) does anyone have any data on how much explosive is necessary to take down a building the size of the two towers and wtc 7? also, how long would such an operation take in man hours.

3) the planes that hit the towers had to be flown by someone. If not terrorists willing to die, then who? No US pilots would have done that, so, it would have to be remote control, right? but for that to be the case, the stewardesses would have to have been in on it as well, since, as anyone who has flown knows, the entire crew hangs out up front as people get on and says hello. Every flight I've ever been on (and I've done a LOT of flying) has had announcements from the crew. So, there had to have been humans at the healm of those planes at least upon takeoff. Is the theory that these planes that we have all come to know as the ones that hit the towers were just decoys that took off from whatever airports they originated in and were simply flown to some undisclosed location (as the pentagon plane) and everyone murdered, while the planes that struck the towers were remote controlled? (I'm not being testy here, at all, I just want to understand what the theory is behind what actually happened, or at least 1 of the multiple theories).

4) The "let's roll" guy spoke to his wife, right? That's not just second hand info, she said she talked to him. Is she lying? Or was his end of the conversation duped as the movie suggests? Obviously if they know who's going to be flying it's fairly trivial to tap that person's phone for a few weeks in advance and get enough voice data to forge the conversation, I just want to know if that's what the alternate theory suggests.

5) Has anyone bothered to do a serious debunking of the "conspiracy"? I mean, any serious news or government agency. I saw that agit prop garbage in Popular Masochist or whatever it's called, but I'm talking about a scientific refutal to the allegations? I mean, it's one thing when a conspiracy theory revolves around testimony from drunken appalachians and deals with aliens, it's another when someone says "planes don't just vaporize". In the latter, it would seem that a rational mind would take such an accusation a bit more seriously than "They had big eyes and stuck a rod in my ass". It would seem like this would be a perfect thing for the Myth Busters, Jamie and Adam, to tackle. Anyone here friends with them?

6) Why isn't anyone trying to contact one of the 9 "terrorists" and getting them on Oprah? You can't put them on trial, right? I mean, they're dead! how can you try a dead person?

7) I asked this in another post, but I'll ask again, why would Bin Laden first not take credit, then take credit for the attack? The movie offers a quote from him, I believe from Al Jazeera, where he says he didn't do it. I think in pretty much every terrorist action in history, the perps can't wait to take credit. They fall all overthemselves saying "IT WAS ME!!!". So, why would he say he didn't do it and then later say he did and that it's not over and that more is on the way. Is he in on it?


And lastly, we know now that while the truth will slowly make its way through the populace, it's highly unlikely that it will ever come to be accepted as reality by the majority of the people and even if it is that any investigation will actually lead to people having their nuts put in a vice. However, when the people behind this were planning it, it MUST have occured to them that if they leave SO many gaping holes in their plan, they would get busted, right? I mean, they could have at least made the effort to find 19 actual arabs and kill them and use their passports, right? and how hard is it to crash an actual plane so that there isn't the obvious question about "where are the planes"? They crashed 2 into the towers, what's 1 more in penn? If all the allegations are true, then it would seem that the conspirators got AMAZINGLY lucky in that no one has questioned the myriad plot holes in their official story. These people are obviously subject to the death penalty if their plot is uncovered, would they really be so careless in their planning?

All thoughs welcome and feel free to call me an idiot... I probably am one.

This post has been edited by Dr.Dre'del on Apr 12 2006, 10:56 PM

And lastly, we know now that while the truth will slowly make its way through the populace, it's highly unlikely that it will ever come to be accepted as reality by the majority of the people and even if it is that any investigation will actually lead to people having their nuts put in a vice. However, when the people behind this were planning it, it MUST have occured to them that if they leave SO many gaping holes in their plan, they would get busted, right? I mean, they could have at least made the effort to find 19 actual arabs and kill them and use their passports, right? and how hard is it to crash an actual plane so that there isn't the obvious question about "where are the planes"? They crashed 2 into the towers, what's 1 more in penn? If all the allegations are true, then it would seem that the conspirators got AMAZINGLY lucky in that no one has questioned the myriad plot holes in their official story. These people are obviously subject to the death penalty if their plot is uncovered, would they really be so careless in their planning?

I agree with you in part I think it is going to take time for so many people to even question those that have "protected" "clothed" and "fed" them for so long. Its like biting the hand that feeds you, until 4 weeks ago, I was completely convinced or rather forgot about 9-11 things that just didnt add up...this relite the fire so to speak...I do not think that he has all the answers (the man who made the video) but at least he got me to see how much the media DOESNT talk about.

About your other observation, I sort of realte it to a path of a serial killer, he keeps getting away with it and continues to do it, yet leaves bigger clues every time because he feels he is "beaitng the system". I would say from my observations that there are many things in the past that the governemen had full knowledge of and had direct hands on

Good questions! As you wonder about the passengers for flight 77 that hit the pentagon, I'm wondering about the passengers for flight 93. Just recently I saw a documentary on nat. geographic I believe which was about flight 93 and also the families. I kinda wondered if these people were for real or not...

I read somewhere about 2000 pounds per building, which would take 10 guys 10 trips carrying 20 pounds per trip.

Here's a video I just found today about a jet hitting a concrete wall at 500 mph. It actually seems that it's getting pulverized. Ofcourse the jet wasn't a 767.

This post has been edited by sg1 on Apr 12 2006, 11:10 PM

I agree that they have done much in the past, but this is the mother of all conspiracies! Normally conspiracies have 5-10 people, this one had to have had dozens. Every one of those complicit are subject to death if the truth comes out. I can see certain people, that aren't generally part of such things (Silverstien, for example) would want assurances that his ass would never end up in an electric chair. None of these people are stupid... I just find it hard to imagine that they wouldn't cover their asses in every way possible and leave so much to chance and American ignorance and shock.

Wow! well, see... that's a very relevant counter argument. Now, I realize that the pentagon isn't just a massive concrete wall and that phantom is much smaller than a 737 and that it's hard to imagine luggage and engines just "atomizing" as the video says. But at least it's something that a critic can point to and say "planes DO just vaporize when the conditions are right". Believe me I'm still far from convinced, because, if nothing else, an atomized plane can't make a hole on the OTHER side of the building. So, the implication would be that enough of the plane slammed through the building to get to the other side, punched a hole and THEN atomized. Physically preposterous, but that's what MUST have happened for this to have been the airliner.

Wow! well, see... that's a very relevant counter argument. Now, I realize that the pentagon isn't just a massive concrete wall and that phantom is much smaller than a 737 and that it's hard to imagine luggage and engines just "atomizing" as the video says. But at least it's something that a critic can point to and say "planes DO just vaporize when the conditions are right". Believe me I'm still far from convinced, because, if nothing else, an atomized plane can't make a hole on the OTHER side of the building. So, the implication would be that enough of the plane slammed through the building to get to the other side, punched a hole and THEN atomized. Physically preposterous, but that's what MUST have happened for this to have been the airliner.

Indeed the situation in the video is totally different, as the plane pulverizes on impact without leaving a hole while the "thing" that hit the pentagon actually punctured the third ring. So would it pulverize after making that hole in the third ring? It makes you wonder.

This post has been edited by sg1 on Apr 12 2006, 11:36 PM

Ok, but I would still love to get a few answers to some of the questions I posed. Any takers?

They have all been addressed in the many threads here. Have you looked around for any that suit your question?

re phone calls
Cell phones won't work at the height the plane was.
The story of Barbara ( I don't immediately remember her last name) who alegedly called her husband on the airphone----collect-- when a airphone requires a credit card to activate.
Haven't heard such wonderful stories since my days of Mother Goose.

They have all been addressed in the many threads here. Have you looked around for any that suit your question?

FM, yeah, I'm not entirely new to forums. I haven't seen anyone addressing these questions specifically, as presented, if they have been, I'll be happy to see links to those threads.

You understand that none of us have the answers to your questions, right? We're just people like you are. Some of us have been looking into this matter even before 9/11 happened. Most of us have, through time, and based on what information we find compelling, developed our own 'working hypothesis' about not only what happened on 9/11 (which is now in the past) but what is happening on-going, right now. It isn't that your questions aren't good questions; they are all good questions, but even if I could answer them conclusively, would you believe me? And even if so, why?

Part of the problem is that people are expecting other people to do their thinking for them. These questions have been asked and hypothesized about by hundreds if not thousands and tens of thousands of people. A little searching will show you all sorts of opinions. No one wants to face "unanswered," in many cases "unasked," and very possibly "unanswerable" questions.

What I'm telling you is this is part of the problem. For all practical purposes there has been no independent, truly authoritative and trustworthy investigation of the events surrounding 9/11/01. Seriously, let that sink in. Arguably the biggest security breach in our nation's history. Our multi TRILLION dollar defense establish completely caught 'off guard'. Through corporate owned media the government has told us what we are to believe based on evidence that is 'sketchy' at best. The merest scrutiny reveals serious questions--but there is no official forum in which these questions can be asked and authoritatively answered. Meanwhile the government and the media has done everything in its power to distract us and direct our attention everywhere but toward these questions. There has been no real investigation and no one in a position of authority on or leading up to that day has been held accountable. Nothing to see here, move along . . . END OF STORY.

Or is it?

This is the question YOU have to answer. How do you feel about existing under a regime masquerading as a democratically elected government that engaged in a covert operation that cost the lives of thousands of your fellow citizens and then used the corporate owned media to cover it up? If you seriously ask questions what you will ultimately find is that all this is a "matter of national security." Again, END OF STORY.


9/11, the tragedy that it is, is in the past. What WORRIES ME is not the past, but our future. For if 9/11 was not as they insist an "attack upon the United States by fundamentalist Muslim terrorists," then what was it? And my answer to that is that those who perpetrated 9/11 GOT EVERYTHING THEY WANTED. Got their wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Got the oil pipelines and stopped Iraq from selling their oil in Euros, thus threatening the dollar hegemony in the petrochemical market. They got hundreds of billions of dollars reallocated to the defense budget and all that flows from it. They got the patriot acts I and II. They got the right to do whatever they want without anyone daring to try and stop them. They got Iran surrounded, and got the justification to use 'first strike' capabilities. They're now claiming they have the right to use a first-strike nuclear capacity against anyone they pereceive as a threat. Eveyone got paid off, even Larry Silverstein.

They all got everything they wanted including "away with it."

So far.

This post has been edited by painter on Apr 13 2006, 05:01 AM

Thats absolute BS. I have carried on conversations for 15+ minutes as high as 13,000 feet. I've also talked to MANY commercial pilots who say they have no problem making calls as high up at 35,000 feet.

Do you even know how high the plane was when the calls were made?

Great video! Thanks. It shows someone was already toying around with slamming planes into buildings at 500mph.

Now compare that wall to the pentagon walls:

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/pentagon.html

and the damage to the rings and damage patterns:

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/innerrings.html

throw in some simulations:

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase1/

and compare the final exit wound and debris alleged to cause that wound versus the effects of the rapid wall breaching kit:

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/091.html

And voila! You've got yourself a recipe for some serious thought.

Thats absolute BS. I have carried on conversations for 15+ minutes as high as 13,000 feet. I've also talked to MANY commercial pilots who say they have no problem making calls as high up at 35,000 feet.

Do you even know how high the plane was when the calls were made?

Really? What kind of service did thay have? Id love to hear this.

painter, I appreciate what you are saying, but most of my questions could have answers that I simply haven't found on the board. I'm not asking anyone to speculate wildly, I'm asking if there is already evidence to suggest what the answers might be. And to be clear I don't mean speculative or coincedental evidence, like the fact that silverstein got the leases to the trade center just before the attack. Sure that looks really bad, but that's not proof of anything. When I ask if anyone knows what happened to the actual planes I'm looking for something more along the lines of the evidence presented in the movie regarding the arrival of flight 93 in pittsburgh.

Thats absolute BS. I have carried on conversations for 15+ minutes as high as 13,000 feet. I've also talked to MANY commercial pilots who say they have no problem making calls as high up at 35,000 feet.

Do you even know how high the plane was when the calls were made?

Just in the recent years theyve made towers that allow cellphones to work in certain altitudes, depending on the company.

Yeah ask them if they made these calls 4 or 5 years ago...Since within the last 2 or 3 years they have added antenna that allow you to make calls, because you couldn't before that time.