I was sent this link to watch. Very thought provoking:

The Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz

I've always had a problem with the claimed numbers of Jews that allegedly died there. I keep hearing "6 million" or "1.5 million." That alone is a HUGE discrepency. Some say the number was as low as 280,000.

Suspecting what the Israeli/Palistine conflict is really about, the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not.

I'm not denying the Holocaust like some stupid nazi punk skinhead would, but just now question what was true and what was fiction.

WingTV seems to think the Holocaust was a major hoax like 9/11 was along with Judicial-Inc.

What I want to know is if there is a documentary that tries to debunk this or similar "holocaust revisionist" documentary? I'd like to see the other side other than the MSM holocaust information we've all seen.

Some stuff I've seen:

Mr. Death. Movie about the guy who invented the electric chair, became a lecturer on the holocaust denial circuit. Made a private trip to Auschwitz where he collected bricks from the chambers and sent them for analysis. Crushed them up & didn't realize that there's no gas residue on the INSIDE of the bricks...duh. "The Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz" mentions this as valid research.

The SS on history channel. Apparently Himmler was so squeamish about shooting people that he came up with the gas plan as an alternative. Operated the chambers with such secrecy that the camps took visitors while the gassings were going on.


It's possible that 6 million people really died. But given the way Zionist groups cling to the holocaust as a raison d'etre, it's probably worth verifying their claims.

One of the reasons I think the Holocaust has been totally exaggerated is the sheer hostility that you get if you dare question it. I mean when countries enact laws against questioning it, something's wrong!

Yes, and in the process, the H-man has achieved cult status as the only person in history who could ever do anything wrong. Nevermind that Stalin was just as bad, or that LBJ's personality was a lot like Stalin. Only H would attack countries, perform genocide, etc. The myth of super evil is convenient.

SAD.

We believe that which we choose to believe.

Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!

I am no longer a young man. I was around when the news from Germany and details of the halocaust were still 'fresh'.

The films of thousands of naked bodies being bulldozed into open pits, the mountains of personal possesions, the thousands of eyewitness accounts, the Wannsee conference where the final solution was determined...there is so much historical proof!

Visit this link below for starters;
http://www.remember.org/History.root.rev.html

Threads like this just demonstrate how much people don't want to believe the unbelievable and WHY it is so important to do proper research before expressing an opinion or stating what you 'feel' is a fact.

The 'unbelievability' is why the masses don't want to accept the government could be partner to a 9/11 conspiracy.

extracted from Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler

MM

There is mountains of evidence, you won't have to search that hard. The germans were very meticulous with their paperwork. It is very sad that so many can die and their deaths be dismissed. We should not forgot. This is why those laws are passed in Germany and Austria, so that the new generations do not forget.

This post has been edited by Pablo on Jul 7 2006, 03:16 PM

Here's a list of how many people died in the Holocaust. I have to use averages because the numbers are so imprecise.

Jews: 5.5M, half of whom were Polish
Add'l Poles: 2M
Soviet POW: 3M
Slavs: 4M
Serbs: 1.2M
Dissidents: 1M
Gypsies: 500k
Handicapped: 275k
Freemasons: 100k
Homosexuals: 100k

So when you say that 6M people died in the Holocaust, are you talking about Jews, Poles, or Russians (slavs/POWS). Because 6M died of each!

Maybe someday we will hear a Jewish group talk about a Holocaust that involved 36 million people? (18M Hitler, 18M Stalin) Think so?

Agree and when is the official account ever the truth?

That's just a stupid thread.
It just discredits and weakens the truth movement to raise such european far-rightist issues.

This post has been edited by Gregy on Jul 7 2006, 04:05 PM

I think we'll all agree that this is a delicate subject and caution must be taken so that we do not appear calous to those who are sympathetic to our cause. For that reason, for the time being I am going to move this thread to the Bridge forum.

Did anybody watch the documentary???

The infamous historian David Irvine, named in that documentary, no longer disputes mass murder happened there.

Read "Into The Darkness" by Gitta Sereny. This is an account, all based on interviews with Franz Stangl, he commanded the extermination camp at Treblinka.

This post has been edited by Pablo on Jul 8 2006, 08:19 AM

Sums it up nicely.

I just got spammed on my youtube profile that I was a "neo-nazi skinhead" for starting this thread!

See what I mean how some people accuse you for even to question the holocaust? This kind of stuff is what makes me suspicious about events like these.

I'm not denying no one was exterminated or treated horribly, but this systematic extermination of a people (the Jews) seems far-fetched based on a lot of the evidence.

That is totally illogical. Its obviously a sensitive subject and you will get some people who will react strongly towards people who question it. Those reactions bare no relevance whatsoever on the truth of what happened.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious if there was not a single person who cared about it being questioned?

Michael Shermer's book "Why people believe weird things" has quite a bit on holocaust deniers.

Just because people disagree on numbers doesn't mean it didn't happen. The "six million" might be a slight overestimate, but from pre- to post-war demographic studies, the figure is certainly in the right ball-park.

That film was very interesting, I never knew they had swimming pools & theatres in Auschwitz.

If 6 million were gassed & burned, where are the mountains of ash?

Why is there no traces of zyklon-b in the "gas-chamber"?

I think both of those would cause suspicion in me.

Remember, I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm questioning if it happened like they told us.

Truth is the first casualty from war, from ALL sides.

And I was thinking about this last night, would Israel have had been established if this "holocaust" hadn't happen like we were told?

But why? What kind of historical fact is based upon how the general public react when confronted with questions about it?

If you are basing any part of your understanding of history upon that, your thinking is seriously flawed.

When countries pass laws to essentially prevent you from researching something, something is seriously wrong.

Wouldn't you agree?

I perfectly agree.

And I live in one of these countries!
Early this year David Irving was sentenced to 3 years for his research.

Killtown,
thx for starting this thread. There is no better way to show, how the holocaust-weapon works.

Just look at some of the arguments:
David Irving (not Irvine - Pablo!) ‘no longer disputes mass murder’ (he never did, BTW and the fact, that he’s been silenced by court does not prove his research results right or wrong)

Because the stupid Germans and Austrians need LAWS to tell them, what to believe…

@ Miragememories, I saw you defending the Zionist line in other threads.
“Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!”
We know this one over here very well! You’ve no idea, how often we’ve heard this threat after WWII.
Ironic that you quote ‘Mein Kampf’ to support your ‘The Holocaust Happened’ argument.
If I quoted Mein Kampf over here, this would immediately disqualify me from any further discussion and label me as right wing, neonazi (not neocon) and get me into jail in no time if I do it in a public place.
I am no 'neo'-anything. Nor am I interested in any political 'wing'. I am a dissident. And I know, that I would have been among the first to end up in a concentration camp in WWII-Germany (well, probably I will now in WarAgainstTerrorism-America?)

And I am also ‘no longer a young man’. I am too young however to remember ‘fresh news’ of history before say 1950.
But I am old enough to look at the present situation with critical eyes and some experience. This also helps a lot to “believe the unbelievable”. It also helps to get a feeling for facts and backgrounds and the real powers, running the show.
TQ has the same feeling ?

And Jimmy Walter with his link on the front page (http://www.reopen911.org/holocaust.htm) ?

Conclusion:
We are allowed to discuss 9/11 crimes. (I said "discuss"!)
We are probably also allowed to discuss today’s bulldozers in the Gaza Strip.
But we are not allowed to even question the amount of victims ‘bulldozed into pits’ during WWII.

Correct ?

You're welcome! I was shocked when I saw that video. It made me think of 9/11 all over again, meaning if people could lie about 9/11, could they have lied/exaggerated about the holocaust?

Now let me be clear I'm not denying it or any mistreatement/murder of Jews and others, I just want to know if there were any lies and distortions about the holocaust because it's seem like the Zionists benefitted from this "holocaust" and my tax dollars are supporting the end result of it (Israel). If I'm forced to pay taxes for them, I have a right to know what really happened.

And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.

That is pretty much my position, with the only exception that I pay my tax in EURO and not in USD.
And I probably should add this to my signature…

z.

Please do!

The thing which was seriously wrong was that the problem originated in those countries that passed that law. Don't you think its possible the laws were passed in order to stop their countries from doing the same again. You also have to understand the sensitivity of the subject within those countries.

Also David Irving has changed his position from the time he committed the offence. The offence wasn't doing research it was putting forward conclusions from his research (which he has since changed).

This post has been edited by Pablo on Jul 11 2006, 08:17 AM

Sort of on topic, but kinda not really... but sort of.

The Occult History of the Third Reich
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=occu...ry+of+the+third

Just watched p.4 the other day... I looks like just the first of four is on google.

My last place of residence in germany was Dachau, I campaigned along with the locals to have the KZ (concentration camp museum on the old site) bulldozed and the land used for a 21st century something or other,anything other than the dead shunned place it had become(except for bus loads of foreign tourists coming to see what the germans had done). The Americans would not let them.


A british journalist reported this yesterday in the press.

10 July 2006
"I WAS brought up to hate Germany and everything in it but for the first time in my life I find myself changing my mind, because the Germany we loathed with such passion no longer exists.

So is it OK to like Germany yet?"


this journo is about 42 years of age,maybe 43,where did his passion for hating germans come from ?
the ass only dropped his prejudice because of the world cup.

I would like to know who is still preaching this hate and what purpose it serves.

B^

"I would like to know who is still preaching this hate and what purpose it serves."

B^ - This is one classic example of a rhetorical question!

You gave the answer yourself by asking the question on this thread.

The same hate that has been preached against the Germans since WWII is now being preached against Islam.


By whom ???