I was reading the LC Blog and saw a link to the Bob Pugh Movie site.

While reading different things on this site, I came across this picture of a cab driver who's cab was supposedly hit by light pole #1.


Picture of Cab driver and cab, found at <a href='http://pentagonresearch.com/images/021.jpg' target='_blank'>http://pentagonresearch.com/images/021.jpg</a>

There must be a way to track down this eye-witness. There is a phone number and licence plate very clear in the picture.

I don't know if anyone has thought of this before, but I thought I would bring it up in case no one has.

in THIS thread on letsroll911.org Merc Mercy has researched the cab story and come up with some unexpected conclusions/questions.

Check it out. ;)

One of the other eyewitnesses posts at http://board.crewcial.org/ . I don't remember his username but if you register you can get to a search function and search it.

I would have done the work for ya but my account isn't logging in.

The noise of this plane flying 4 feet off the ground over cars and people's heads would also cause the cars to fly off the roads and ear drums to completly burst. It hurts to hear a 757 taking off hundreds of feet away, let alone 4.

Look at this video, there is a better one done by the Air Force but I cant find it.


http://shawn811.groglives.com/Jet%20Flip%20Plane_small.gif


An engine operates on the application of Sir Isaac Newton's third law of physics: for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This is called thrust. This law is demonstrated in simple terms by releasing an inflated balloon and watching the escaping air propel the balloon in the opposite direction. In the basic turbojet engine, air enters the front intake and is compressed, then forced into combustion chambers where fuel is sprayed into it and the mixture is ignited. Gases which form expand rapidly and are exhausted through the rear of the combustion chambers. These gases exert equal force in all directions, providing forward thrust as they escape to the rear.



In other words anyone who saw or was in their car at a close range of these engines would have been toast.

Yet Another Flight 77 “witness” Emerges

Culhavoc
April 25th, 2006
Deconstructing a False-Flag Operation



Lloyd England, whos name when included with the word "pentagon" returns zero results in google, told a reporter "The plane was so low it hit the light pole, and when it hit the pole it knocked the light part off and nothing came through the car but the pole itself."
(source)

England's claim comes at a time when the U.S. Government has been campaigning to reinforce the official story of 9/11. As I noted in a previous blog entry, the introduction of erroneous evidence in the Moussaoui sentencing trial coupled with a flood of books and film on the subject make it clear that this is a concerted effort designed to shape public opinion.

Of the four alleged planes involved in the attacks, flights 77 and 93 are the most heavily debated. With 9/11 truth reaching critical mass, it's quite understandable that the 9/11 perps would attempt to shore up their version of events by any means neccessary. Too bad for them it's quite obvious.


-Culhavoc

Or create something else to take the heat away from 9-11? Let's hope not...

But... wait wait wait! He is one of the key witness. He can not "Emerges" like that!

Pretty crazy eh? It appears as though the 9/11 perps sat on this guy for over 4 years and put him to use when 9/11 truth is reaching critical mass.



This, in addtion to the recently released photos of alleged UA93 and AA77 wreckage, introduced in the Moussaoui sentencing trial.

-Culhavoc

The enemy is smart and cunning.

We must become smarter and more cunning.

Protect the people.

We shall be victorious.




Meth [thumbsup]

I am still having a hard time finding Lloyd England referenced in mainstream media. It's as though he never existed. However, survivorsfundproject.org published the following:

This report ONLY makes sense if the explosion that is mentioned is the secondary explosion in the Pentagon's outer ring and not the impact of whatever hit the building.

-Culhavoc

This is intresting. I remember serval months ago it was some talk about him at Lets Roll Forum.

That part in his story is quite suspect.

There's two points to be noted here.

1. He never says he saw the plane hit. He says he saw a plane flying overhead, and a light pole falling down. So if his retelling is accurate.

The possibility remains that there might have been a plane in the area. The light pole might have been knocked down. Once the light pole was knocked down, it is possible that the explosion did not occur until some time after because it was not the plane that hit the building.

2. Why did he have to get a new car? if you look at any photo. All he would have to do is replace a windshield. Unless the government confisgated his car.

Yes, it is very strange. This gay is "suspicious"

Like I say before... very interesting.

Upon looking at this pitcture again, I realized there are no skid marks anywhere on the road around this car. So there is no damage to the car or the road, except the windshield. It sure looks like the driver parked, and whacked the windshield with a crowbar to me.

Hi there,

Given that it does not seem to be a ligit cab, I don;t think that the picture of the guy would be a credable witness...

I posted this on another thread here:

(I go babbling on abit to set up the above pic)

...I looked up the phone number on 411.com and there was no number listed for what I am assuming would be 202-546-4500, the area code for Washington DC.

The correct number for the cab company is:

Capitol Cab CO
3341 Benning Rd Ne, Washington, DC 20019
(202) 636-1600

that and the car looks to be parked diagonally across the road, with lane barriers behind it. Is it blocking traffic on purpose?

Can anyone look up the plates on the cab to see who they belong to?

Did you call the cab company and ask about it? I tried to do a Reverse Plate Search but they cost like 25-75$ a pop....

No, I just looked up the number but did not call the company

Here are some details on the cab driver.

Cab driver/Pole number 1.

Main Lamp Pole Page

Russell

This is the first time I've read into the cab driver story... great stuff.

The lamppost was supposedly knocked onto his cab by the plane, and he (and 'The Flash' passerby) had enough time to stop, get out and pull the lamppost off his car before the plane (or missile) hit???

These guys are fast as lightning! They defy time! They should do shoe commercials!

:rolleyes:
J

This is weird. It's as if the cabbie didn't hear the explosion of the "plane". Also note that the windshield of the cab is broken, but the hood is completely untouched.

hi-res

Screw the hood, something's seriously wrong with TIME in his story.

Now the plane slows down suddenly to 10 mph while...

The airliner suddenly resumed speed, struck the Pentagon, and...

[laughing]

There is another article about this here:

This is interesting: the hood of his taxi doesn't have a scratch on it.

I wonder if this "evidence" (supposedly of Flight 77 flying just feet above the ground) could have been prepared in advance, and was in fact the "road accident" mentioned in the following article, where it says: "Probst took a sidewalk alongside Route 27, which runs near the Pentagon's western face. Traffic was at a standstill because of a road accident. Then, at about 9:35 a.m., he saw the airliner in the cloudless September sky."
http://www.militarycity.com/sept11/fortress1.html

Here's another thing I've wondered. There are several pieces of evidence I've come across that suggest the Pentagon may have been in the middle of a training exercise the morning of 9/11, and this exercise could have been based around a plane crashing into it:

1) Captain Charles Leidig, the deputy for Command Center operations at the NMCC (in the Pentagon), took over temporarily from Brigadier General Montague Winfield on 9/11 and was effectively in charge of NMCC during the attacks. Winfield had requested the previous day that Leidig stand in for him on September 11. Leidig had started his role as Deputy for Command Center Operations two months earlier and had qualified to stand in for Winfield just the previous month. See:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...=a830rookienmcc
Couldn't the reason (or the excuse) for this have been that they were holding a training exercise at the Pentagon, and this was claimed to be a good opportunity for Leidig to gain experience? Hence, why they were able to put him in charge of the NMCC.

2) See the following entry from the Complete 9/11 Timeline:

This again would fit with them having a training exercise based on a plane hitting the Pentagon on 9/11. (But, presumably, this would be classified information, so none of the participants is able to admit, straight out, that this was happening.)

3) At Fort Myer, an army base just 1.5 miles from the Pentagon, the base's firefighters were doing a training course during the week of 9/11 (including the day itself) on "Air Field Fire Fighting." See:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...em=a937fortmyer
So perhaps they were due to participate in the Pentagon exercise, and this is why they were training in how to respond to a plane crash.

4) At Fort Belvoir, an army base just a few miles to the south of the Pentagon, they were also holding a terrorism training exercise the morning of 9/11. See:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context...a830fortbelvoir
Again, this might have been done in conjunction with a terrorism training exercise at the Pentagon.

Sound plausible?

It sure does sound plausible:

Also, another fireengine in route, more emergency specialists nearby, and look how fast all the fire commanders arrived:

Let's write something about this and I'll put it on my blog. It's the only thing that makes sense to explain away all these huge coincidences.

Wow, I hadn't seen that one before.

There are other aspects of what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 that might be explained by training exercises. For example, we know that the massive Stratcom exercise Global Guardian was "in full swing" at the time of the 9/11 attacks. See:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....1521846767-1796

According to a March/April 2001 article in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, "Tomahawk [cruise missile] operations are included in Strategic Command's (Stratcom) annual Global Guardian nuclear exercises." See:
http://www.thebulletin.org/article_nn.php?art_ofn=ma01norris

So, if the Pentagon was hit by a missile, perhaps this was achieved by making a missile attack that was part of Global Guardian "go live."

Also, there is good evidence that the massive NORAD exercise Amalgam Warrior was taking place on 9/11. See:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity....1521846767-1843

This exercise includes "counter cruise missile operations." See:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops...gam-warrior.htm

So again the possibility arises of a missile in the exercise going "live."

I'd think a training exercise at the Pentagon on 9/11 could have provided cover for all sorts of fabrication of evidence of a 757 hitting the building. For example, presumably the light poles in the path of the supposed 757 would need to have been knocked over using some kind of small explosive at the base of the pole. But if any rogue employee got caught positioning these explosives, they could have simply claimed they were going to knock over the light poles for the training exercise, to make it more realistic.

Also, fake "eyewitnesses" who could lie to the press about what hit the Pentagon could have been pre-positioned under the cover of the training exercise: The 9/11 planners could perhaps have brought these individuals to the road outside the Pentagon under the pretext that they were going to act the parts of casualties or distressed members of the public during the training exercise. I'm just speculating, of course, but it certainly seems a possibility.

if the "plane" was going around 400 mph...how fast do you think the lightpole was traveling?

if that passanger seat didnt fly out the back window, somethings wrong..

...
Another car stopped and the driver helped move the heavy pole off Lloyd’s car. As they were moving the pole, they heard a big boom and turned to see an explosion. The light pole fell on Lloyd and he struggled to get up from underneath, wondering what had happened.
...

What is the weight of a pole like this ?

But it seems to me that no pole have hit Lloyds car... if so, where is the damage ?

It is maybe possible to see something on the hood ... but it is no damage after a pole hit.

And I dont understand why "The light pole fell on Lloyd"

Strange story. (to me)

call the # on the taxi and talk to loyd!

Well, this is his story. He say in another interview that just a pice of the pole hit the window... but he also say that the pole hit the car.

www.pentagonresearch.com

I thought I had seen an article at team8plus.org about the taxi. I can't find the article now, but I do remember the article mentioned that they coudn't find a taxi service by the name shown on the cab and that the phone number wasn't in service.

Strange story indeed. Has anyone followed up in trying to contact him to ask what the time relation or "gap" from pole to explosion fits ? This doesn't make sense at all to me and I really want to see if this is just a mis-quote on the media's behalf or if this is really how he stated the event as taking place ?

I'll try to contact him myself if no one else has.

Here, here, at 4-5 hundred mph the plane should have crashed a split second after the light pole crashed through his winshield. What's with this, time-stands-still stuff where he pulls over, gets help, has a smoke and a snicker bar and THEN hears the explosion. Unreliable testimony - if it was a court of law he'd be excused or charged with purgury and the jury told to disregard his testimony.

how lucky is that guy.

First a lightpole hits his car(minus the light part which was sheared off by a low flying plane apparently) then he has to wrestle with control of his cab to come to a stop, gets out, lifts the pole off with the aid of another person who also stopped, hears an explosion and has a lightpole fall on top of him.


How lucky is he!!!
hes one of the few people to have entered a TIMEWARP!

not only that the plane flying so low it knocked lightpoles out was the strongest plane in the world to not explode on contact with one!

Not only that his mobile phone worked!

Not only that....he got a brand new car because his windscreen and passenger seat were totalled ! man how lucky is that to write off a car (what looks like a rather new lincoln) because the wind-shield and passenger seat broke. Amazingly lucky.



i bet this guy coulda stood on top of the pentagon, watched the "plane" hit, calmly walked to the ground avoiding all fireballs on the way down and still had time to eat a picnic on the lawn b4 the building caved in.

Damn i wanna be a NWO scriptwriter!

I can't believe that guy is back in the news... it's almost a miracle. ;)

One must admit, though- it's pretty amazing what a couple of people all full of adrenaline can do (especially an old fart like Lloyd) ... plane knocks over the light post onto his car, him and some othe guy lift it off of the car, and Lloyd still has time to see the plane hit the Petalawn! I mean- Pentagon.

Glad to see this thread here, I had asked all these same questions a little ways back. So did others.

But my real issues are with Russell's interview with Lloyd and Lloyd's account still.

Hopefully Russell and I can hash this out.

From Russell's site/his thread here:

All accounts are that it was "the pole"...as a matter of fact he said...

"And when it hit the pole it knocked the light part off and nothing came through the car but the pole itself."

Then NBC says:

The light pole shaft speared its way through England's cab, pushing the front passenger seat backwards into the rear of the car. If it had fallen a few feet to the right, England said he would have been crushed.

England could not have been crushed by the "piece" you claim he is referring to Russell. The piece could not have even pushed the seat back.

Ok which "other piece of pole" is this? You mean the big base piece?


This is where it really gets suspicious. There is NO WAY to get his car in that perpendicular position in the center southbound lane when he was >IN< the center southbound lane to begin with, the only way to have done that was if he skidded, which is what I believe the scene stagers hoped it would look like without people paying closer attention. He was going 50-55 mph for crying out loud >IN< the center lane, the same lane his car came to rest in.

Secondly he was traveling 50-55 mph WHERE? How FAR back when the pole was hit. His car was "wrassled to a stop" at the exact location of Pole 1, the pole that supposedly hit him. How could he wrassle his car to a stop going 50-55, turn sideways, and stop at the exact position of pole #1. Really, picture it.

Again, he said it was the pole, NBC said it was the pole, Survivor said it was the pole. The piece or the "arm" doesn't seem to be a pole that would need two people to pull it out. Why would Lloyd even hold it up and why would he fall backward with this arm piece? It just seems to be them recovering from a bad psy-ops fumble, Russell. A van pulled up where he "almost the only one on the road" and pulled out the piece less 2 minutes of the attack. See your Ingersoll photo at 9:40 am-no pole.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/1-1.jpg

Here you revert back to calling it a 'pole' and even mention how it hit the back seat. Clearly not the 'piece'.

Ok, is this what you think happened? I haven't seen any account of it flying accross to the fast lane/concrete divider. lloyd doesn't mention it in the interview or anywhere...Again "the large base piece of the pole" is what HE/THEY claimed went through the windshield.

Secondly, you/he said...

He was in the center lane, the pole, according to you, was in the fast lane/concrete divider. What was he trying to avoid? The pole was in the center divider lane (fast lane) accoding to you.

Third, you may want to change this then. Because you claim the pole landed where we see it in pictures(I've never seen an account or analysis that places the pole in the center divider lane...



Fourth, why would anybody move it so quickly? Go look at the pictures that are "in proximity" to each other. The pole would have been moved in a matter of minutes and Lloyd was still there when it happened. If his car is blocking the center lane, sticks out into the other lanes, and the roads were already being closed. Why would anybody feel the need to move the light pole from the center divider lane to the slow lane? Also all the damage is contained right near pole #1, the light itself, the glass, the pole. WHY???




And a big question I have is WHY ARE HIS WHEELS TURNED TO THE LEFT if he TURNED INTO A RIGHT TURN and then his car "cut off" and was inoperable?

Thats not very true... [thmdwn]

1. It would not cause cars to fly off the road, fluid dynamics has alot to do with this...the thrust coming out the back may have a force to it...if you measure it directly at the exhause nozzel. Otherwise..it is dispersed and countered by atmospheric pressure, the worst you would get is people falling over from the downforce wave coming off the wings...not the thrust from the engines.

For your scenario, the plane would have to be stationary..and the car placed not only level with the engines but very close to them.

2. The engine functions mainly on a pulling force not a pushing force. It sucks air in with the blades at the front, after this air gets through the compression process it comes out the rear turbines..making them spin faster during the decompression...these rear blades are connected to the front blades. They in turn make the front blades spin faster still, forcing more air into the combustion chamber. The fast spinning front blades cause a low pressure zone, while the rear exhaust causes a high pressure zone. which in turn through newtons third law pulls the engine and the plane forward. The engines don't fly the plane, the wings do... they generate possitive resistance from the planes forward momentum.
[cheers]
You were thinking of a rocket engine...not a turbine engine. If it were a rocket that passed over at 4ft from the ground it would most likely cause all the people to turn into KFC, and destroy cars... but planes don't.

As far as burst ear drums... Quite possible. Althogh...saying that, I've stood next to many planes as the took off...20ft or so. Sometimes without earmuffs...and nothing seriouse came of it. I recon most people would cover their ears when the pain margin was reached...as a reflex.

There is a bank in england called Lloyd's TSB Bank.

practical joke?

I dont think so [crylol] , but you guys might think of it as a majour clue. [thumbsup]

That's not exactly true...

There are many reports of roofs being damaged by low flying aircraft, some houses / buildings even fall down.

...and these are many hundreds of feet above the ground...

All the best

LondonEye
[thumbsup]

Merc,

The piece of the pole is part of the pole is the pole. There is nothing to those terms being used interchangeably. That is a moot point. I use it interchangeably. If I look at a tree I call it a tree. Then we can break it down to branch, leaf etc. The language use has nothing to do with the essence of the account.

You can see there are no skid marks for yourself. So then Lloyd was in on it and they parked the car there for a photo op. But they did this before even fire engines arrived so it was all done while the rest of the people were looking at the Pentagon?

That's right it wouldn't matter that other people were there. They had an agent on all of the roads and entrances ensuring only approved witnesses were on that road. That brings up a question. Did they have ID or a code word to let the officers know they had been briefed (although poorly because most of their stories were laden with errors)?

You can't see the length of the piece in its entirety and have no idea what it weighed or at what speed it was traveling. You can't say what it would or would not do to the car. You also don't know if that was the top of the pole itself which I am guessing it is.

If the piece of the pole had gone through the driver's side, Lloyd would have been killed. Crushed, impaled, speared, whatever. Literal words again.

Lloyd took the removed piece and and was going to move it to the curb (where it showed in Channel 4 footage) and stumbled with the piece falling on top of him. Logical to me - especially when you watch him walk.

It didn't need two people to pull it out. Lloyd is an older man. Is it reasonable to assume if you saw that happen you might pull over and help an older person remove something from his windshield no matter if he needed your help or not??

We don't know how far back he was or how far the piece of the pole may have flown. But he did stop the car and obviously swerved. There is nothing odd about that. The tires could have been turned that way when he was trying to start the car and intending to get out of there or before the engine quit.

The pole was moved. You can see the scratch and you can see at least two people standing there who could've done it.

The Ingersol photo hides the piece of the pole behind the car.

Lloyd and the pole were not ever on the other side of the divider. Again literal words are tripping up a realistic understanding of the event.

PSYOP:

1) They decided what the imaginary plane and flight path would be.
2) They chose this pole.
3) They did all of this to account for 12 feet of altitude instead of saying the plane came in at a steeper angle.
4) Out of five poles they decided this one would seem "more real" if they recruited a poor, older cab driver to sacrifice his living and vehicle to a very complex detailed mini-scenario to fool us all.
5) They added somebody to damage the pole, a cab driver, a guy in a van, the guy in the white car and a photographer to the plot that already involves hundreds of people just outside the building.
6) Lloyd pulls the cab up and carefully parks it after they have blocked off all of morning DC traffic to ensure he was the only one on that half of the road. Then somebody destroys the pole. Lloyd sits there and somebody breaks his windshield. Nobody notices. They toss a piece behind the cab and wait for the guy in the van to drop the other piece off.
7) They photograph it and make plans to upload it all to the Internet just for us. Of course they have planned it with channel 4 to come later and make sure we get a glimpse of the piece off to the side that they carefully didn't photograph in the first photos.
8) They make Lloyd stand there, then walk out, impound the car, try to charge him for it, won't offer him a tow home and let the car sit in his yard where the news crew could take a picture of the inside. They make up the story about the fuel inertia switch just as icing on the cake.
9) They make Lloyd's daughter by him a new car so all of this could be published in the Survivor's story just to add to the effect.
10) Lloyd is conscious of being an accessory to murder and has remained quiet to this day.

Wow!! That is a massive operation for what exactly? And if they were so brilliant to plan the whole thing it is a shame they carried it off so poorly that it has been easily discovered and figured out.

Do you see how ignoring evidence because of beliefs causes us to come up with things that when the normal people who may come across it someday will laugh, ridicule and end up believing the official story.

That is the psyop.

Russell