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Title: Val Mcclatchey Photo: More Smoking Guns
Description: or Total Fraud?


Killtown - July 19, 2006 08:22 AM (GMT)
If my analysis is correct, this should be the smoking gun of smoking guns to prove 9/11 was an inside job:

user posted image
(Hi-res photo)


However, her photo may be a fake.

See here...

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...oking-guns.html

Sanders - July 19, 2006 08:34 AM (GMT)
So either the photo is a fake or the plume did not come from the alleged crash site. (?)

Pretty convincing.

chucksheen - July 19, 2006 08:37 AM (GMT)
[thumbsup]

Killtown - July 19, 2006 08:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Sanders @ Jul 19 2006, 08:34 AM)
So either the photo is a fake or the plume did not come from the alleged crash site. (?)

Pretty convincing.

Unless my analysis is terribly terribly flawed, I can't think of any other logical conclusions!

johndoeX - July 19, 2006 09:45 AM (GMT)
I dont know much about photography Killtown... but i did find this quote in your article...

"She suddenly heard a load roar of a plane fly over head and managed to just catch a glimpse of it as it flew over the horizon. "

This statement suggests the plane flew over her house, westbound, to the impact.


Her house is a good 2 miles east of the crash site. How can a plane fly "over head" her house when it came in from the North/Northwest? according to the PM picture below... (also interesting to note, if there was a "flight path", why is there no ditch carved out to the final impact crater. The crater suggests no flight path at all. It suggests a straight down verticle impact.)

Was the plane she heard fly "over head" the plane that dropped the ordinance?. It surely would explain the vector of the compression wave that took out the forest.


user posted image

johndoeX - July 19, 2006 09:56 AM (GMT)
More on Val...

I looked into the pittsburglive article.. here is her quote..

"Val McClatchey heard the 757 roar over Indian Lake, three miles east of where it would crash. She had been watching the "Today" show, with footage from New York, and now the Pentagon. "


Indian lake is that big lake to the east of her house.. behind her house.

Either she is lying.. or Popular Mechanics is lying..

johndoeX - July 19, 2006 10:00 AM (GMT)
And if it did come in from the east.. over indian lake, how the heck did the crater end up in a north/south orientation...

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidenc.../pacrater3.html

johndoeX - July 19, 2006 10:11 AM (GMT)
Here ya go.... just made it.. hot from the press.. ;)

user posted image

JAStewart - July 19, 2006 12:32 PM (GMT)
Crikey! Lovely find KT!

Killtown - July 19, 2006 05:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (johndoeX @ Jul 19 2006, 09:45 AM)
I dont know much about photography Killtown... but i did find this quote in your article...

"She suddenly heard a load roar of a plane fly over head and managed to just catch a glimpse of it as it flew over the horizon. "

This statement suggests the plane flew over her house, westbound, to the impact.

Her house is a good 2 miles east of the crash site.

Oh SNAP son, ANOTHER smoking gun! I totally overlooked that! I'll add that to my article later today.

Good catch!

[rock]

Ross11988 - July 19, 2006 05:33 PM (GMT)
well done. that is interesting someone should drive down there and verify it.

Killtown - July 19, 2006 07:13 PM (GMT)
Just updated the article.

Changed that she lives almost 2 miles away, not 2 1/2 miles.

Included johndoeX's great find about the plane flying overhead in the opposite direction and gave him props for it on my blog.

user posted image


Also included:

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She never walked up the road beyond the horizon to see what she allegedly photographed. Instead, she just heard the sirens and went into the kitchen and put on a barbecue for the rescue crews as if she was anticipating the events.

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She also thought it was a  small plane that she barely saw fly over in the opposite direction Flight 93 supposedly crashed at and remember that she lives near a landing strip and also remember all those witness reports of a  mysterious small white jet flying over head that the FBI first refused to acknowledge at first.


http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...oking-guns.html



Spread this around, this has the potential to blow things wide open!

Find the local newspapers and TV stations around Val's area and email or call them about this. Tell them to call Val out on this.

If Val faked this photo, this should make headline news. If she didn't, it PROVES a conspiracy and should make headline news!


TheQuest - July 19, 2006 07:20 PM (GMT)
I would be interested in knowing if she's a religious nut or was in the military or affiliated with an organization that warped her to cause her to go along with this hoax.

Does anyone know anything about her other than she's a real-estate agent? [hmm]

constitution - July 19, 2006 07:27 PM (GMT)
Popular Mechanics lying?

Why would a relative of michael Chertoff lie?



man its hard to sound sarchastic these days :P

Badmachine - July 19, 2006 07:27 PM (GMT)
But in the movie "Flight 93" they said the terrorists did it, right?

:huh:


Killtown - July 19, 2006 08:13 PM (GMT)
I've also wondered how a plane can fly so low and then flip over and nosedive 90 deg into the ground all the while going 580mph!

TheQuest - July 19, 2006 08:26 PM (GMT)
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I've also wondered how a plane can fly so low and then flip over and nosedive 90 deg into the ground all the while going 580mph!


:D

Killtown - July 19, 2006 08:46 PM (GMT)
May have found the explanation to Val's photo:

user posted image

[laughing]


Photo by Rumpl4skn!

Shoestring - July 19, 2006 08:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 19 2006, 08:13 PM)
I've also wondered how a plane can fly so low and then flip over and nosedive 90 deg into the ground all the while going 580mph!

This is how Bob Craig of the FBI's evidence gathering team described the crash: "Turn the picture of the second plane hitting the World Trade Center on its side, and, for all intents and purposes, the face of the building is the strip mine in Shanksville. Look at the fireball in the picture. That's what happened." (Jere Longman, Among the Heroes, p. 260.)

He makes it sound like Flight 93 dived into a big pool of quicksand. :lol:

Killtown - July 19, 2006 09:26 PM (GMT)
I like how the dirt was so "soft" that it was able to plunge all the way down, yet then the dirt was hard enough to disitegrate the plane in a million small pieces!

Killtown - July 19, 2006 09:38 PM (GMT)
I just emailed Todd Beamer Foundation site (now called 'Heroic Choices') and told them to check out Val's photo since they receive money for it!

http://www.heroicchoices.org/contact.html

But who knows, maybe they are in on it too!

Email them and tell them to check out her photo...

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...oking-guns.html

Killtown - July 19, 2006 09:44 PM (GMT)
Flood Pittsburg Post-Gazette about Val's suspicious photo...

http://www.post-gazette.com/contact/comments_form.asp?ID=37

johndoeX - July 19, 2006 09:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 19 2006, 07:13 PM)
Just updated the article.

Changed that she lives almost 2 miles away, not 2 1/2 miles.

Included johndoeX's great find about the plane flying overhead in the opposite direction and gave him props for it on my blog. 

user posted image


Also included:

QUOTE
She never walked up the road beyond the horizon to see what she allegedly photographed. Instead, she just heard the sirens and went into the kitchen and put on a barbecue for the rescue crews as if she was anticipating the events.

-------------

She also thought it was a  small plane that she barely saw fly over in the opposite direction Flight 93 supposedly crashed at and remember that she lives near a landing strip and also remember all those witness reports of a  mysterious small white jet flying over head that the FBI first refused to acknowledge at first.


http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...oking-guns.html



Spread this around, this has the potential to blow things wide open!

Find the local newspapers and TV stations around Val's area and email or call them about this. Tell them to call Val out on this.

If Val faked this photo, this should make headline news. If she didn't, it PROVES a conspiracy and should make headline news!

Anytime KT... always a pleasure to help...

(BTW, im charging 20 bucks per pic... expect to be contacted by my attorney.. :) :D :rolleyes: )


Its good to see you working on this...

[cheers] [salute]

Killtown - July 19, 2006 09:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (johndoeX @ Jul 19 2006, 09:48 PM)

Anytime KT... always a pleasure to help...

(BTW, im charging 20 bucks per pic... expect to be contacted by my attorney.. :) :D :rolleyes: )

[crylol]


[cheers]

Rumpl4skn - July 19, 2006 11:21 PM (GMT)
To me, the biggest technical anomaly in the Flight 93 story is this: we are told this plane came down almost perpendicular to the ground, or at the very least, and extremely sharp angle. That means it struck the ground essentially at a T - the wings were parallel to the ground when it hit.

Yet we are to believe that the two engines - hitting the same type of "soft ground", at exactly the same attitude - behaved as unbelievably (key word) opposite to each other as possible upon striking the ground. One of them buried itself 25' or more feet below the ground, while the other bounced 1500' off this ground into a nearby pond. Most sane people would conclude there should have been a slight bit more symmetry in the reactions of these 2 identical pieces of equipment upon striking the same object.

Personally, I find neither story to be believable. Both would have been found, along with a hell of a lot more planes parts, fuel, bodies, luggage and blood. Mangled parts for certain, but lots of parts nonetheless.

And now that we have defintive proof of fraud in the "photo evidence" department, it's time for someone to fess up. Or, in the least, change to "official story ver. 3.0."

Killtown - July 19, 2006 11:56 PM (GMT)
Everybody, give Rumpl4skn a round of applause, he is the one who first spotted that the trajectory of the smoke plume didn't line up!


[salute]

JackD - July 20, 2006 12:07 AM (GMT)
uh, I thought the first guy that did that was Nico Haupt.

maybe they are the same guy?

Killtown - July 20, 2006 12:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (jdyolam @ Jul 20 2006, 12:07 AM)
uh, I thought the first guy that did that was Nico Haupt.

maybe they are the same guy?

No, Nico just posted his pics for him...

QUOTE
(*thx to R.M.)

"...according to my recent studies, the smoke cloud from that famous Val McClatchey photo is in the wrong place..."

http://team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/fo...wtopic.php?2656

Killtown - July 20, 2006 12:17 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rumpl4skn @ Jul 19 2006, 11:21 PM)
Yet we are to believe that the two engines - hitting the same type of "soft ground", at exactly the same attitude - behaved as unbelievably (key word) opposite to each other as possible upon striking the ground. One of them buried itself 25' or more feet below the ground, while the other bounced 1500' off this ground into a nearby pond. Most sane people would conclude there should have been a slight bit more symmetry in the reactions of these 2 identical pieces of equipment upon striking the same object.

Rump, remember that the other engine was "found" only a few feet underground!...

user posted image

And if I may say, I'd say it's a little rusty too!

Killtown - July 20, 2006 12:26 AM (GMT)
Just to show you why the gov't can get away with what it does, just check out this comment left by a 'screwy' (supporter of Screw Loose Change) who reversed Dylan's name...

QUOTE
At 4:53 PM, Avery Dylan said...

"that's a great idea to ignore them when you violate a copyright"

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...335321185299086



So we proved this photo proves gov't complicity in the MURDER of some 3,000 people or that this photo is a fraud, and he's only concerened that we violated Val's copyright!


What a dumbass!

Killtown - July 20, 2006 03:42 AM (GMT)
I added some media outlets with links near Val to contact them about her photo:

QUOTE
   
* Somerset Daily American
* WTAE-TV 4 (scroll down halfway)
* Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
* Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...oking-guns.html

jenabell - July 20, 2006 04:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 19 2006, 08:42 PM)
I added some media outlets with links near Val to contact them about her photo:

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* Somerset Daily American
* WTAE-TV 4 (scroll down halfway)
* Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
* Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-m...oking-guns.html

Good job with this KT!

[cheers]
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[cheers]

Killtown - July 20, 2006 06:45 AM (GMT)
Great map about the Shanksville crash:

QUOTE
The odyssey of Flight United Airlines 93

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/nineeleven...s/airgames.html

Killtown - July 20, 2006 06:56 AM (GMT)
Had this and forgot about it! Read carefully...

QUOTE
A handful of people working near or driving through a rural area of Somerset County watched as the plane flipped over and disappeared with a smoky boom at 10:06 a.m. yesterday, between the tiny communities of Lambertsville and Shanksville.

"It dropped out of the clouds," too low for a commercial flight, Butler said. The plane rose slightly, trying to gain altitude, then "it just went flip to the right and then straight down.

Lee Purbaugh, 32, working just his second day at Rollock Inc., a scrap yard next to the reclaimed strip-mine land, looked up from operating a burning torch to see the jetliner just 40 feet above him.

"I couldn't believe this," Purbaugh said.

"I heard it for 10 or 15 seconds and it sounded like it was going full bore," said Tim Lensbouer, 35, Purbaugh's coworker.

The ground shook and the air thundered as the jetliner slammed into the ground about 300 yards away, Purbaugh said.

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/art...ash-in-Somerset


Ok, never mind the only guy to see the crash was on his 2nd day of work. The plane is "40 feet" over their heads, rises "slightly," then crashes into the ground at 90 deg all the while going 580mph???

Riiiiiiight.

Killtown - July 20, 2006 05:44 PM (GMT)
Need second opinion on this, how far is Val's house from the crater?

I had 2 1/2 miles orginally, then changed it to "almost 2 miles." Now I come up with 1.56 miles exactly.

Can someone double check for me?

here is google map:

http://www.google.com/maphp?hl=en&tab=wl&q...oystown%2015563

johndoeX - July 20, 2006 06:26 PM (GMT)
Google earth shows 7900 feet from center to center.

Or.. 1.3 Nautical Miles...

Or... 1.496 Statute Miles...

;)

Killtown - July 20, 2006 07:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (johndoeX @ Jul 20 2006, 06:26 PM)
Google earth shows 7900 feet from center to center.

Or.. 1.3 Nautical Miles...

Or... 1.496 Statute Miles...

;)

cool, then I'll leave it at "about 1.5 miles".

[salute]

Killtown - July 20, 2006 08:12 PM (GMT)
Added this for everybody concerned about the wind...

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Remember that Val supposedly took this shot just seconds after the crash and the plume in her photo is seen going straight up, apparently not affected by any wind.



I also added a summary near the bottom:


QUOTE
Summary

Here is what we have so far:

1. Val was at her house on the west side of Indian Lake, about 1.5 miles from the crash scene.


2. She had her digital camera ready near her front door waiting for a friend of hers to do a flyby over her house in his helicopter.


3. Val hears a loud roar of a plane fly over Indian Lake towards the crash scene, which flies in almost the opposite direction of the official flight path of Flight 93, and manages to catch just a glimpse of this plane before it dips over the horizon.


4. She is almost knocked off her couch and her lights and phone service get knocked out from the shock wave of the alleged crash. She never reports any of her windows were broken out.


5. She runs out on to her front porch, grabbing her camera that was ready by her front door, and takes one and only one photo of smoke allegedly coming from Flight 93 crashing just seconds earlier, the only known photo of smoke in the sky allegedly coming from the crash site.


6. Val copyrights her photo and sells it for $20 dollars in which $18 goes to Heroic Choices (formerly the Todd Beamer Foundation).


7. Researcher Rumpl4skn is the first to notice that the smoke plume in her photo does not line up with the crater at the crash scene.


8. I then noticed that the size of the smoke plume in her photo is way too large to have come anywhere near the crash seen.


johndoeX - July 20, 2006 08:25 PM (GMT)
edit: disregard

Killtown - July 20, 2006 08:26 PM (GMT)
Also added:

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She then heard and felt a boom that reportedly knocked not only her lights and phone out, but almost knocked her off her couch. She then managed to race out on her front porch and quickly took one and only one photo* of the smoke plume allegedly coming from Flight 93 crashing just seconds after she heard it crash. This photo is the only known photo of smoke seen in the sky from Flight 93 crash scene.

(*Note that as far as I can tell, she only took one photo of the smoke plume. Why didn't she take more shots of the smoke plume in the sky and show them to the public? Wouldn't only having one photo of the smoke plume add evidence that this photo is a fake?)




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