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Title: Banking With Hitler- Bbc Timewatch Series-
Description: OH f*ck- who funded hitler?-


FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 07:03 PM (GMT)
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id757.html

this is incredible- BBC has done a documentary on Hitler and Banking and how he recieved his funds- through european central bank coalition and through american assets such as CHASE MANFHATTON Bank- BARCLEYS of englands collaberation and French banks and their anti jew policies to hold all jew wealth in safety deposit boxes from them.

how does this link to zionism????

well we got to distinguish collective JEW wealth and the movement of thier assets to france for safety- then having it stolen- weakening the jews as an international people- its already established the zionist council could have got the jews out of hitlers germany- but taking into account the zionists had an agenda to go back and take back the promised land- "how does seizing jewish interests through a anti-jew currpt nazi aligned banking trust coalition in france, and zionists not signing jewish passports to those looking to emigrate away from nazi germany help displace the international jewish populace?

of course it does- thus the homeland was born hardcore as jews lost thier wealth and being homeless or wealthless and identity in tatters decideding to emigrate through the 'council' of the zionist council back to isreal.. illegally set-up after WW1 by the same zionists and thier banking and government influence....


all at the crafting of international bankers many of which we know have zionist collaboration or direct roots. I.E those running isreal, and their neocon cabal in the DoD and the banking interests that they serve-

a win-win for all three- the moving in on the middle east region- the zionists motive for securing the rhelm (greater isreal) as written in 'clean break' strategy for securing the rhelm in 96' by wolfy and pearle and douglass and ladeen and others.

also could there be a motive against islamic fundementalist and the engineering in the region of islamic fundementalist extreamism through tearing the region apart?

war on terror indeeed. manufacturing the enemies that will give america its divine mission in the world.....


and find out how franklin roosevelts tresury head allowed for this to take place- adds fire to the pea harbour assertion of foreknowledge?

was this for the better good or was this a buisness decision (or justified on the basis of both?)

roger - July 16, 2006 07:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 07:03 PM)
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id757.html

this is incredible- BBC has done a documentary on Hitler and Banking and how he recieved his funds- through european central bank coalition and through american assets such as CHASE MANFHATTON Bank- BARCLEYS of englands collaberation and French banks and their anti jew policies to hold all jew wealth in safety deposit boxes from them.

how does this link to zionism????

:unsure:

Um... maybe IT PROVES that the Jews lost their bid for world domination in the late 1930's as Anglo elitists razed their whole power structure to the ground under the guise of the holocaust, and there IS NO ZIONIST conspiracy?

:blink:

Pretty hard to figure that out isn't it. Oh yeah, but the holocaust never happened right.

FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 07:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (roger @ Jul 16 2006, 07:09 PM)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 07:03 PM)
http://johnmccarthy90066.tripod.com/id757.html

this is incredible- BBC has done a documentary on Hitler and Banking and how he recieved his funds- through european central bank coalition and through american assets such as CHASE MANFHATTON Bank- BARCLEYS of englands collaberation and French banks and their anti jew policies to hold all jew wealth in safety deposit boxes from them.

how does this link to zionism????

:unsure:

Um... maybe IT PROVES that the Jews lost their bid for world domination in the late 1930's as Anglo elitists razed their whole power structure to the ground under the guise of the holocaust, and there IS NO ZIONIST conspiracy?

:blink:

Pretty hard to figure that out isn't it. Oh yeah, but the holocaust never happened right.


just watch the video-

and i'm sorry i posted it as its on the mcarthy site- i dont follow his theories or anything like that- i actuially linked the zideo there becuase its like the only site the stream is embadded in the page.
the holocaust happened alright- but its unfairly labled a jew holocaust- but when you compare it to the rest who were distroyed you will see the bias....

fasicm doesnt just mean anti- jew alone...

many people dont say the holocaust didnt happen, they just say they dnt recognise it if isreal is carrying out thier own holocaust today..

check out this interview with ahmadinejad and spiegel-
the question of rejecting the holocaust comes up and it turns into a big debate.
http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/14529/S...ent_Ahmadinejad

sorry that i had to link to the mcarthy site but its the only one i can find that has the video embeded in the page- i dont read his stuff just found it on google just now.


PS just to clarify- i'm just connecting loose ends- but seeing as zionism and central banking are so in bed with each other i think its a basefull enough assertion... its an educated opinion- so take that into account...

FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 07:46 PM (GMT)
just listened to the eric-dylan avery radio-cast...


ok eric has no base for his assertions- dylan might not have a view of the holocaust- he, doesnt need one- if dylan wants to investigate that its his own decision but why would he need to- i dont want the guys getting mixed in politics in themain stream- it just saps energy.

i post this post just to show you this video that i think is evidence that the people behind all of this funded hitler! as evident on a a BBC documentary-

i think it supports the history of zionism- through the retaining of of jewish assets which i'm guessing is gold and jewel wealth which was held by french banks, chase and barclays during WW2, barclays just had to give assets back in a undisclosed settlement after the court proescution. who does it go to? same people- the families? hopefully they will and not pay them in worthless cash either- becuase that would be the robbery of the century.


so if zionism and neo-cons are so linked up today as evidenced through PNAC members in the DoD who wrote 'clean break' the precursor to PNAC for isreals former PM netanyahu, then if influencial jews can be in leage with american interests (who siezed jew wealth) while at the same time furthering thier own agenda- then what would these people Zionists if they still exist have anything to do with jews whatsoever??? obviously orhodox religious jews in power would not go condoning ad instituting occupation and agressive forign policy-

in 'clean break' right now were seeing the second faze of thier strategy happening- they want as much influence in the middle east as america has in the world- as decribed in the 'clean break' paper as the strategy to which so called 'peace' can actually be secured.

8bitagent - July 16, 2006 08:41 PM (GMT)
Cant wait to see the documentary. Ive studied European bank and American corporation/bank/prominent people/wallstreet funding Hitler.

Look at IBM, Bayer, Coca Cola, GM, Ford, Union Banking Corp, Standard Oil, etc.

Also, I do believe there were some Zionists who privately saw Hitler as a good thing, in that the holocaust would pave the way for the return to Israel.
And by few, I mean not very many at all.

People say criticizing Zionists is anti semetic, need to realize thats like saying your bashing Christianity by bashing Bush. Ie: corrupt tyrants who hide behind a faith to do their bad stuff. And Im just talking about millitant zionists.

Anyways, the new Spike Lee film Inside Man was all about what the original poster is writing about. Be it saving their own hide, alterior motives, etc some JEwish bankers and or Zionists did secretly side with Hitler...if only strategicly AND NOT ideologically, MUCH like Muslim Brotherhood did with Hitler and the SS.

datars - July 16, 2006 08:57 PM (GMT)

FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 09:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
Also, I do believe there were some Zionists who privately saw Hitler as a good thing, in that the holocaust would pave the way for the return to Israel.
And by few, I mean not very many at all.


absolutely spot on,

the rothschilds are also closely linked to zionism..
it is established how important the role of LAW is in the control of "current"cy flow,
and that is exactly what the court system role exemplifies-

the flow of money- nealy all court disputes are about the Flow of money- they all involve money- court houses are very similar in design to Masonic lodges and you'd be an ass to say they dont exist becuase it is established that they do-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3648930131443936554


masonic lodges- the bigger ones look very similar in structure to court houses- so are the insides...

why does this have anything to do with rothchilds???

becuase they have funded and paid for this humongous courthose in isreal of all places- and the price of it if astronomically expensive that they refuse to disclose the final figure- so the most important building that can be possibly built to these influencial people is a court house- especially in it symbolism of the control of money and who gets to keeps it.

BAR associations- the association of court judges (not supreme courts) take peoples fines and put it into a liqufied judges account.... and have their base head-quarters in the Londons City at temple (which the ground its situated on is its own separate state- like the central banks of europe and america i think too)

heres pics of the rothchild funded most expensive supreme court ever made- in isreal of all bleeding places-

THIS BUILT IN ISREAL
user posted imagecan you see that on the top?? go to the link to see more- I assure you its real and theres more weird elaborate symbolism built into a the design-
More pictures here at portland indy-media

user posted image- rothchilds...

Left-Wing Humanist - July 16, 2006 10:18 PM (GMT)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 10:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

not jews- zionism.... maybe jews sponsered zionism unwittingly...

who was sponsering hitler- the european BIS (central bank) and at least one American central Bank- but who knows if it were only one. it proven in law they funded hitler-

the man who was handling hitlers regime funding was the head of the german central bank (then reichbank) after the war he served a 6 month term and was released it is roumoured he joined his banking buddies in america but the documents are classified...


watch the documentary.....


QUOTE
But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..


close- it was zionists and neocons....

saying it was jews is like saying it was the whole of the american people- who are just as sheep like as ordinary isreali's.

Grounds_Keeper_Willy - July 16, 2006 10:27 PM (GMT)
FinalStrike, great set of posts. I can't wait to see the video.

It may be interesting to note that by using federal reserve notes you lose your ability to settle debts at law (the common law) and can only discharge debts in equity (equity/admiralty/statutory) law.

This is very important since under our constitution any individual can invoke a common law court for any offense greater then $20 in real money (gold or silver). Federal reserve notes are not real money thus you can only seek a remedy under equity rule. This takes much power from the jury and gives it to the judge. It also leaves almost all offenses in the realm of currency disputes which can even include bodily harm.

Few individuals know the type and jurisdiction of the court they walk into in todays perverted legal system.

GKW

FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 10:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Grounds_Keeper_Willy @ Jul 16 2006, 10:27 PM)
FinalStrike, great set of posts.  I can't wait to see the video.

It may be interesting to note that by using federal reserve notes you lose your ability to settle debts at law (the common law) and can only discharge debts in equity (equity/admiralty/statutory) law.

This is very important since under our constitution any individual can invoke a common law court for any offense greater then $20 in real money (gold or silver).  Federal reserve notes are not real money thus you can only seek a remedy under equity rule.  This takes much power from the jury and gives it to the judge.  It also leaves almost all offenses in the realm of currency disputes which can even include bodily harm.

Few individuals know the type and jurisdiction of the court they walk into in todays perverted legal system.

GKW

technically this is the case-

but it doesnt stop the FED for arresting medical marijuana growers lets say- although state law says it legal-

i dont smoke weed by a long shot but it shows you we actually line under a dual government

taking into account government means state/national management...


ANOTHER NOTE- did anyone know %80 of isreal is athiest? how the heck did that happen- its within the most religious peninsula in the world.... i guess if isrealis were truly scriptually religious they wouldnt be killing palestinians and lebanese.....

also NOTE- why is the tax payer funding isreal?? that sounds like high scale banking to me- what is it? $$$100 billion since the occupation began??

8bitagent - July 16, 2006 10:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

While I do see alot in the Islamic and Arab world thinking it was a US/Israeli or some sort of inside job(even Osama at first said this, so does Iran's president) it must be noted a good amount acknowlege Osama did it and are happy about it...

This is why its essential for 9/11 truth to be promoted in the Arab world, even if it means posting 9/11 truth on so called Jihadist forums.

FinalStrike - July 16, 2006 11:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (8bitagent @ Jul 16 2006, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

While I do see alot in the Islamic and Arab world thinking it was a US/Israeli or some sort of inside job(even Osama at first said this, so does Iran's president) it must be noted a good amount acknowlege Osama did it and are happy about it...

This is why its essential for 9/11 truth to be promoted in the Arab world, even if it means posting 9/11 truth on so called Jihadist forums.

as long as the jihadis forum is not islamic fundemental 'extreamist'

theres three kinds of jihad.... and theres a religious, philosophical and political version.

constitution - July 17, 2006 12:10 AM (GMT)
yeah theres only one kind of murdering bastard tho.


btw. Without trying to disrespect the 6million jews who were butchered in WW2 I found it discouraging to only be taught about the jews that died in WW2 at school and in most documentaries on WW2. Especially the good old "The World At War" (the one narrated by laurence olivier).

Go find out for yourself how many Russians died. How many mentally and physically disabled people died. You can see for yourself who took the biggest brunt of the whole disgusting, godless event.

If god gave the zionists the land and the power of the earth why did he let us take it back so they fight for it? Musta been his will oh well move on pls nothing to see here except bombing of innocent lebanese civilians.

FinalStrike - July 17, 2006 12:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (constitution @ Jul 17 2006, 12:10 AM)
yeah theres only one kind of murdering bastard tho.


btw. Without trying to disrespect the 6million jews who were butchered in WW2 I found it discouraging to only be taught about the jews that died in WW2 at school and in most documentaries on WW2. Especially the good old "The World At War" (the one narrated by laurence olivier).

Go find out for yourself how many Russians died. How many mentally and physically disabled people died. You can see for yourself who took the biggest brunt of the whole disgusting, godless event.

If god gave the zionists the land and the power of the earth why did he let us take it back so they fight for it? Musta been his will oh well move on pls nothing to see here except bombing of innocent lebanese civilians.

dont forget the hundreds of thousands of political prisoners and dissenters-


yikes that sounds kind of uncanny for some reason...

Left-Wing Humanist - July 17, 2006 12:25 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

not jews- zionism.... maybe jews sponsered zionism unwittingly...

who was sponsering hitler- the european BIS (central bank) and at least one American central Bank- but who knows if it were only one. it proven in law they funded hitler-

the man who was handling hitlers regime funding was the head of the german central bank (then reichbank) after the war he served a 6 month term and was released it is roumoured he joined his banking buddies in america but the documents are classified...


watch the documentary.....


QUOTE
But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..


close- it was zionists and neocons....

saying it was jews is like saying it was the whole of the american people- who are just as sheep like as ordinary isreali's.

yes yes, i agree not to blame jews as whole, in fact we cant even blame zionists as whole, merely elite zionists so to speak. In the same way we can say we hate jews (because that is indeed anti-semitic and racist), however we can say we hate zionist. It just so happens that alot of jews are zionists, which i think is why many people can tend to say f*ck jews or whatever.

But i was refering to my father and the people i know in Iran, and THEY always refer to the jews "Juhudah", yet im sure that what they mean are zionists...

FinalStrike - July 17, 2006 02:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 17 2006, 12:25 AM)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

not jews- zionism.... maybe jews sponsered zionism unwittingly...

who was sponsering hitler- the european BIS (central bank) and at least one American central Bank- but who knows if it were only one. it proven in law they funded hitler-

the man who was handling hitlers regime funding was the head of the german central bank (then reichbank) after the war he served a 6 month term and was released it is roumoured he joined his banking buddies in america but the documents are classified...


watch the documentary.....


QUOTE
But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..


close- it was zionists and neocons....

saying it was jews is like saying it was the whole of the american people- who are just as sheep like as ordinary isreali's.

yes yes, i agree not to blame jews as whole, in fact we cant even blame zionists as whole, merely elite zionists so to speak. In the same way we can say we hate jews (because that is indeed anti-semitic and racist), however we can say we hate zionist. It just so happens that alot of jews are zionists, which i think is why many people can tend to say f*ck jews or whatever.

But i was refering to my father and the people i know in Iran, and THEY always refer to the jews "Juhudah", yet im sure that what they mean are zionists...

i dont care if he means jews- becuase if he does he is just mis-informed like so many others-


in fact its in zionists bewst interest to make sure muslims in the region think its jews- to them it might be the fact that most so-called jews are ignorant to the fact that what their government is doing is inherantly evil-

some might be duped- you gotta remember %80 isreal are athiest- so religious groups like the nurutei karta: orthodox jews against zionism might be easily ignored.


apparently theres many isreali that know the truth- that is evident from the video peace propaganda and the promised land-

i had the fantastic opotunity of meeting some isreali documentary film-makers that a universal peace conference (the UPF which i think is a UN controlled effort to capitalise all religion under one banner) at first i thought they would be chatting the usuall crap presented on the media- but instead they were really cool- knew all about zionism but didnt want to talk about it to others at the conference for obvious reasons, they were doing filming in palestine of the plight and their doc should be on channel 4 or the BBC.

Wingmaster05 - July 17, 2006 06:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (8bitagent @ Jul 16 2006, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

While I do see alot in the Islamic and Arab world thinking it was a US/Israeli or some sort of inside job(even Osama at first said this, so does Iran's president) it must be noted a good amount acknowlege Osama did it and are happy about it...

This is why its essential for 9/11 truth to be promoted in the Arab world, even if it means posting 9/11 truth on so called Jihadist forums.

Lol, imagine the irony of posting 9/11 truth on some fake jihadist, CIA op site. I think they know the truth already...

Wingmaster05 - July 17, 2006 06:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 10:30 PM)


Final Strike said:

ANOTHER NOTE- did anyone know %80 of isreal is athiest?

source?

FinalStrike - July 17, 2006 08:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Jul 17 2006, 06:07 AM)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 10:30 PM)


Final Strike said:

ANOTHER NOTE- did anyone know %80 of isreal is athiest?

source?

i saw it somewhere- it will turn up again... it takes into account non-religious jews who identify with that group.

Killtown - July 17, 2006 08:16 AM (GMT)
Just a thought, if WWII and the holocaust didn't happen, would Israel have been formed where it is?

FinalStrike - July 17, 2006 08:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 17 2006, 08:16 AM)
Just a thought, if WWII and the holocaust didn't happen, would Israel have been formed where it is?

good question-

it was there before WW2 but not fully ratified but only in principal-

heres what the 1947 borders looked like

user posted image

i feel the zionists have been pressing thier plan for the last 100 years- why? becuase of the way they ended up in germany after getting kicked out of russia on russian suspecions they lost the war due to jews in the russia-japan war-
http://www.etherzone.com/2004/lang052404.shtml

i think Czar Nicholas II was doing the same thing as that guys dad did a couple of posts up- blaming jews instead of zionism.

and the chase bank holding of jew assets reinforces the idea they were being herded.... but its amazing the bank would be i on such a scheme- now isreal exists- that to me was a deliberate placment of a chess knight, for middle east intervention.

Left-Wing Humanist - July 17, 2006 11:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 17 2006, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 17 2006, 12:25 AM)
QUOTE (FinalStrike @ Jul 16 2006, 10:25 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

not jews- zionism.... maybe jews sponsered zionism unwittingly...

who was sponsering hitler- the european BIS (central bank) and at least one American central Bank- but who knows if it were only one. it proven in law they funded hitler-

the man who was handling hitlers regime funding was the head of the german central bank (then reichbank) after the war he served a 6 month term and was released it is roumoured he joined his banking buddies in america but the documents are classified...


watch the documentary.....


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But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..


close- it was zionists and neocons....

saying it was jews is like saying it was the whole of the american people- who are just as sheep like as ordinary isreali's.

yes yes, i agree not to blame jews as whole, in fact we cant even blame zionists as whole, merely elite zionists so to speak. In the same way we can say we hate jews (because that is indeed anti-semitic and racist), however we can say we hate zionist. It just so happens that alot of jews are zionists, which i think is why many people can tend to say f*ck jews or whatever.

But i was refering to my father and the people i know in Iran, and THEY always refer to the jews "Juhudah", yet im sure that what they mean are zionists...

i dont care if he means jews- becuase if he does he is just mis-informed like so many others-


in fact its in zionists bewst interest to make sure muslims in the region think its jews- to them it might be the fact that most so-called jews are ignorant to the fact that what their government is doing is inherantly evil-

some might be duped- you gotta remember %80 isreal are athiest- so religious groups like the nurutei karta: orthodox jews against zionism might be easily ignored.


apparently theres many isreali that know the truth- that is evident from the video peace propaganda and the promised land-

i had the fantastic opotunity of meeting some isreali documentary film-makers that a universal peace conference (the UPF which i think is a UN controlled effort to capitalise all religion under one banner) at first i thought they would be chatting the usuall crap presented on the media- but instead they were really cool- knew all about zionism but didnt want to talk about it to others at the conference for obvious reasons, they were doing filming in palestine of the plight and their doc should be on channel 4 or the BBC.

I agree with you 100 %... but i think the reason for why muslims get it mixed up, and why they are un or disinformed is first of all due to lack of education, and secondly when they're constantly bombarded with pictures of Israel attacking Lebanon and Palestine etc. It's therefore hard for them to seperate the zionists from israeli and Jews.

I remeber once i was like 13 years old, at that point i was already well aware of f*cked up jews( I then also refered to the zionists as the jews, now i know better) were, but at that time i heard a conversation between my father and a friend, where the friend said "I don't hate jews, i just hate Israeli's". So he was beginning to be aware of the fact that in the west (he lives in Sweden) you cant say f*ck jews because it is anti-semitic, but more accepted to say i hate Israeli's. Now, refering to them as the Israeli's is of course as incorrect as reffering to the jews. It's like saying "i hate Americans", while what you mean is "I hate Neocon's, and the ignorance of those who vote for them".

But i am more aware of trying to correct anybody who says bad stuff about jews or Israeli, to refer to them as zionists

Left-Wing Humanist - July 17, 2006 11:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (8bitagent @ Jul 16 2006, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

While I do see alot in the Islamic and Arab world thinking it was a US/Israeli or some sort of inside job(even Osama at first said this, so does Iran's president) it must be noted a good amount acknowlege Osama did it and are happy about it...

This is why its essential for 9/11 truth to be promoted in the Arab world, even if it means posting 9/11 truth on so called Jihadist forums.

About promoting this on jihadist forums, i first thought it was a good idea to let them know. But when i come to think about it, it's a f*cked up crazy and dangerous idea. If we tell the jihadist, we are gonna have to change their entire mentality as well. It is both dangerous for the truth movement and for safety of the world and for the image of muslims. Think about it. The Jihadists are fighting the west due to them going on with unjust wars, dont you think there will be even more Jihad when they realize how f*cked up it really is. And more Jihad ruins the image of regular muslims, it ruins the path of the truth movement, because larger hatred will be against the muslims. Also consider what it would do to the truthmovement the minute terrorist captures an american reporter filming his decapitation while saying "Allah'o akbar, 9/11 was done by the Americans themselves, thus justifying an unjust war, for this we retaliate by cutting of the head of this reporter, Allah'o akbar". It would smash our image, because now they really can link jihadists to us. And no, they're not gonna think that maybe there is something to it, because the terrorist are not taking credit for it anymore. They've already seen the confession tape, and Bin Laden will not come forth and say he did not do it, because he is probably dead and the current Bin Laden is an American imposter.

FinalStrike - July 17, 2006 01:38 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 17 2006, 11:41 AM)
QUOTE (8bitagent @ Jul 16 2006, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (Left-Wing Humanist @ Jul 16 2006, 10:18 PM)
My father actually believes that jews made Hitler and holocaust happen... and considering how holocaust has turned out to benefit jews and zionism, who can blame him? not saying his idea is f*cked up, at all... but, he IS Iranian, and i know from my Iranian part of my family that they tend to blame jews and America for everything, actually many people in the middleeast do. But one can really understand why they would.

However sometimes they get carried away, like when there was the large earthquake in BAM a couple of years ago, many people thought it was america that had planted bombs and thereby provoked the seismic activity....

But im telling u, we can't find any other part of the world where there is more people believing that 9/11 was an inside job than in the middleeast (at least Iran) In fact the day after 9/11 my father and a business friend of his said that either jews or Americans was behind this, of course at the time i thought he was crazy..

While I do see alot in the Islamic and Arab world thinking it was a US/Israeli or some sort of inside job(even Osama at first said this, so does Iran's president) it must be noted a good amount acknowlege Osama did it and are happy about it...

This is why its essential for 9/11 truth to be promoted in the Arab world, even if it means posting 9/11 truth on so called Jihadist forums.

About promoting this on jihadist forums, i first thought it was a good idea to let them know. But when i come to think about it, it's a f*cked up crazy and dangerous idea. If we tell the jihadist, we are gonna have to change their entire mentality as well. It is both dangerous for the truth movement and for safety of the world and for the image of muslims. Think about it. The Jihadists are fighting the west due to them going on with unjust wars, dont you think there will be even more Jihad when they realize how f*cked up it really is. And more Jihad ruins the image of regular muslims, it ruins the path of the truth movement, because larger hatred will be against the muslims. Also consider what it would do to the truthmovement the minute terrorist captures an american reporter filming his decapitation while saying "Allah'o akbar, 9/11 was done by the Americans themselves, thus justifying an unjust war, for this we retaliate by cutting of the head of this reporter, Allah'o akbar". It would smash our image, because now they really can link jihadists to us. And no, they're not gonna think that maybe there is something to it, because the terrorist are not taking credit for it anymore. They've already seen the confession tape, and Bin Laden will not come forth and say he did not do it, because he is probably dead and the current Bin Laden is an American imposter.

i agree whoever suggested that- was indeed trying to incite hatred


shill.....SHILL!!

lol only kiddin,

but for real, a common mistake is actually usually like that- "for peoople to blame america"- americans dont know any better when you have curruption ruling the country....neo-cons and bohemian style multibillion multinational CEO's, bankers and the careerists or familiy successors below them trying to get a slice of the socio-pathic cake.




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