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Killtown - July 7, 2006 02:55 AM (GMT)
I was sent this link to watch. Very thought provoking:

The Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz

I've always had a problem with the claimed numbers of Jews that allegedly died there. I keep hearing "6 million" or "1.5 million." That alone is a HUGE discrepency. Some say the number was as low as 280,000.

Suspecting what the Israeli/Palistine conflict is really about, the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not.

I'm not denying the Holocaust like some stupid nazi punk skinhead would, but just now question what was true and what was fiction.

WingTV seems to think the Holocaust was a major hoax like 9/11 was along with Judicial-Inc.

What I want to know is if there is a documentary that tries to debunk this or similar "holocaust revisionist" documentary? I'd like to see the other side other than the MSM holocaust information we've all seen.




broodlinger - July 7, 2006 05:40 AM (GMT)
Some stuff I've seen:

Mr. Death. Movie about the guy who invented the electric chair, became a lecturer on the holocaust denial circuit. Made a private trip to Auschwitz where he collected bricks from the chambers and sent them for analysis. Crushed them up & didn't realize that there's no gas residue on the INSIDE of the bricks...duh. "The Truth Behind the Gates of Auschwitz" mentions this as valid research.

The SS on history channel. Apparently Himmler was so squeamish about shooting people that he came up with the gas plan as an alternative. Operated the chambers with such secrecy that the camps took visitors while the gassings were going on.


It's possible that 6 million people really died. But given the way Zionist groups cling to the holocaust as a raison d'etre, it's probably worth verifying their claims.

Killtown - July 7, 2006 07:05 AM (GMT)
One of the reasons I think the Holocaust has been totally exaggerated is the sheer hostility that you get if you dare question it. I mean when countries enact laws against questioning it, something's wrong!

broodlinger - July 7, 2006 07:42 AM (GMT)
Yes, and in the process, the H-man has achieved cult status as the only person in history who could ever do anything wrong. Nevermind that Stalin was just as bad, or that LBJ's personality was a lot like Stalin. Only H would attack countries, perform genocide, etc. The myth of super evil is convenient.



Miragememories - July 7, 2006 03:01 PM (GMT)
SAD.

We believe that which we choose to believe.

Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!

I am no longer a young man. I was around when the news from Germany and details of the halocaust were still 'fresh'.

The films of thousands of naked bodies being bulldozed into open pits, the mountains of personal possesions, the thousands of eyewitness accounts, the Wannsee conference where the final solution was determined...there is so much historical proof!

Visit this link below for starters;
http://www.remember.org/History.root.rev.html

Threads like this just demonstrate how much people don't want to believe the unbelievable and WHY it is so important to do proper research before expressing an opinion or stating what you 'feel' is a fact.

The 'unbelievability' is why the masses don't want to accept the government could be partner to a 9/11 conspiracy.


QUOTE
...in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper stata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes...

extracted from Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler

MM

Pablo - July 7, 2006 03:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 7 2006, 02:55 AM)
What I want to know is if there is a documentary that tries to debunk this or similar "holocaust revisionist" documentary?  I'd like to see the other side other than the MSM holocaust information we've all seen.

There is mountains of evidence, you won't have to search that hard. The germans were very meticulous with their paperwork. It is very sad that so many can die and their deaths be dismissed. We should not forgot. This is why those laws are passed in Germany and Austria, so that the new generations do not forget.

broodlinger - July 7, 2006 03:43 PM (GMT)
Here's a list of how many people died in the Holocaust. I have to use averages because the numbers are so imprecise.

Jews: 5.5M, half of whom were Polish
Add'l Poles: 2M
Soviet POW: 3M
Slavs: 4M
Serbs: 1.2M
Dissidents: 1M
Gypsies: 500k
Handicapped: 275k
Freemasons: 100k
Homosexuals: 100k

So when you say that 6M people died in the Holocaust, are you talking about Jews, Poles, or Russians (slavs/POWS). Because 6M died of each!

Maybe someday we will hear a Jewish group talk about a Holocaust that involved 36 million people? (18M Hitler, 18M Stalin) Think so?

hdog - July 7, 2006 03:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 7 2006, 07:05 AM)
One of the reasons I think the Holocaust has been totally exaggerated is the sheer hostility that you get if you dare question it. I mean when countries enact laws against questioning it, something's wrong!

Agree and when is the official account ever the truth?

Gregy - July 7, 2006 04:01 PM (GMT)
That's just a stupid thread.
It just discredits and weakens the truth movement to raise such european far-rightist issues.

TheQuest - July 7, 2006 05:21 PM (GMT)
I think we'll all agree that this is a delicate subject and caution must be taken so that we do not appear calous to those who are sympathetic to our cause. For that reason, for the time being I am going to move this thread to the Bridge forum.


Killtown - July 8, 2006 01:51 AM (GMT)
Did anybody watch the documentary???

Pablo - July 8, 2006 08:06 AM (GMT)
The infamous historian David Irvine, named in that documentary, no longer disputes mass murder happened there.

Read "Into The Darkness" by Gitta Sereny. This is an account, all based on interviews with Franz Stangl, he commanded the extermination camp at Treblinka.

grommit - July 8, 2006 01:40 PM (GMT)
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Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!


Sums it up nicely. [thumbsup]

Killtown - July 8, 2006 07:10 PM (GMT)
I just got spammed on my youtube profile that I was a "neo-nazi skinhead" for starting this thread!

See what I mean how some people accuse you for even to question the holocaust? This kind of stuff is what makes me suspicious about events like these.

Killtown - July 8, 2006 07:21 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 8 2006, 08:06 AM)
The infamous historian David Irvine, named in that documentary, no longer disputes mass murder happened there.

Read "Into The Darkness" by Gitta Sereny. This is an account, all based on interviews with Franz Stangl, he commanded the extermination camp at Treblinka.

I'm not denying no one was exterminated or treated horribly, but this systematic extermination of a people (the Jews) seems far-fetched based on a lot of the evidence.

Pablo - July 10, 2006 09:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 8 2006, 07:10 PM)
See what I mean how some people accuse you for even to question the holocaust? This kind of stuff is what makes me suspicious about events like these.

That is totally illogical. Its obviously a sensitive subject and you will get some people who will react strongly towards people who question it. Those reactions bare no relevance whatsoever on the truth of what happened.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious if there was not a single person who cared about it being questioned?


Geoff - July 10, 2006 02:10 PM (GMT)
Michael Shermer's book "Why people believe weird things" has quite a bit on holocaust deniers.

Just because people disagree on numbers doesn't mean it didn't happen. The "six million" might be a slight overestimate, but from pre- to post-war demographic studies, the figure is certainly in the right ball-park.

howie - July 10, 2006 05:27 PM (GMT)
That film was very interesting, I never knew they had swimming pools & theatres in Auschwitz.

If 6 million were gassed & burned, where are the mountains of ash?

Why is there no traces of zyklon-b in the "gas-chamber"?

Killtown - July 10, 2006 05:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 10 2006, 09:34 AM)
That is totally illogical. Its obviously a sensitive subject and you will get some people who will react strongly towards people who question it. Those reactions bare no relevance whatsoever on the truth of what happened.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious if there was not a single person who cared about it being questioned?

I think both of those would cause suspicion in me.

Killtown - July 10, 2006 05:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Geoff @ Jul 10 2006, 02:10 PM)
Michael Shermer's book "Why people believe weird things" has quite a bit on holocaust deniers.

Just because people disagree on numbers doesn't mean it didn't happen. The "six million" might be a slight overestimate, but from pre- to post-war demographic studies, the figure is certainly in the right ball-park.

Remember, I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm questioning if it happened like they told us.

Truth is the first casualty from war, from ALL sides.

And I was thinking about this last night, would Israel have had been established if this "holocaust" hadn't happen like we were told?

Pablo - July 10, 2006 08:48 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 10 2006, 05:33 PM)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 10 2006, 09:34 AM)
That is totally illogical. Its obviously a sensitive subject and you will get some people who will react strongly towards people who question it. Those reactions bare no relevance whatsoever on the truth of what happened.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious if there was not a single person who cared about it being questioned?

I think both of those would cause suspicion in me.

But why? What kind of historical fact is based upon how the general public react when confronted with questions about it?

If you are basing any part of your understanding of history upon that, your thinking is seriously flawed.

Killtown - July 11, 2006 03:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 10 2006, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 10 2006, 05:33 PM)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 10 2006, 09:34 AM)
That is totally illogical. Its obviously a sensitive subject and you will get some people who will react strongly towards people who question it. Those reactions bare no relevance whatsoever on the truth of what happened.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious if there was not a single person who cared about it being questioned?

I think both of those would cause suspicion in me.

But why? What kind of historical fact is based upon how the general public react when confronted with questions about it?

If you are basing any part of your understanding of history upon that, your thinking is seriously flawed.

When countries pass laws to essentially prevent you from researching something, something is seriously wrong.

Wouldn't you agree?

zapzarap - July 11, 2006 06:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 11 2006, 05:21 AM)
When countries pass laws to essentially prevent you from researching something, something is seriously wrong.

Wouldn't you agree?

I perfectly agree.

And I live in one of these countries!
Early this year David Irving was sentenced to 3 years for his research.

Killtown,
thx for starting this thread. There is no better way to show, how the holocaust-weapon works.

Just look at some of the arguments:
David Irving (not Irvine - Pablo!) ‘no longer disputes mass murder’ (he never did, BTW and the fact, that he’s been silenced by court does not prove his research results right or wrong)

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This is why those laws are passed in Germany and Austria, so that the new generations do not forget

Because the stupid Germans and Austrians need LAWS to tell them, what to believe…

@ Miragememories, I saw you defending the Zionist line in other threads.
“Those who forget history are doomed to relive it!”
We know this one over here very well! You’ve no idea, how often we’ve heard this threat after WWII.
Ironic that you quote ‘Mein Kampf’ to support your ‘The Holocaust Happened’ argument.
If I quoted Mein Kampf over here, this would immediately disqualify me from any further discussion and label me as right wing, neonazi (not neocon) and get me into jail in no time if I do it in a public place.
I am no 'neo'-anything. Nor am I interested in any political 'wing'. I am a dissident. And I know, that I would have been among the first to end up in a concentration camp in WWII-Germany (well, probably I will now in WarAgainstTerrorism-America?)

And I am also ‘no longer a young man’. I am too young however to remember ‘fresh news’ of history before say 1950.
But I am old enough to look at the present situation with critical eyes and some experience. This also helps a lot to “believe the unbelievable”. It also helps to get a feeling for facts and backgrounds and the real powers, running the show.
TQ has the same feeling ?
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  I think we'll all agree that this is a delicate subject and caution must be taken so that we do not appear calous to those who are sympathetic to our cause. For that reason, for the time being I am going to move this thread to the Bridge forum.

And Jimmy Walter with his link on the front page (http://www.reopen911.org/holocaust.htm) ?

Conclusion:
We are allowed to discuss 9/11 crimes. (I said "discuss"!)
We are probably also allowed to discuss today’s bulldozers in the Gaza Strip.
But we are not allowed to even question the amount of victims ‘bulldozed into pits’ during WWII.

Correct ?





Killtown - July 11, 2006 07:07 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (zapzarap @ Jul 11 2006, 06:03 AM)
Killtown,
thx for starting this thread. There is no better way to show, how the holocaust-weapon works.

You're welcome! I was shocked when I saw that video. It made me think of 9/11 all over again, meaning if people could lie about 9/11, could they have lied/exaggerated about the holocaust?

Now let me be clear I'm not denying it or any mistreatement/murder of Jews and others, I just want to know if there were any lies and distortions about the holocaust because it's seem like the Zionists benefitted from this "holocaust" and my tax dollars are supporting the end result of it (Israel). If I'm forced to pay taxes for them, I have a right to know what really happened.

And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.


zapzarap - July 11, 2006 07:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 11 2006, 09:07 AM)
Now let me be clear I'm not denying it or any mistreatement/murder of Jews and others, I just want to know if there were any lies and distortions about the holocaust because it's seem like the Zionists benefitted from this "holocaust" and my tax dollars are supporting the end result of it (Israel).  If I'm forced to pay taxes for them, I have a right to know what really happened.

And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.

That is pretty much my position, with the only exception that I pay my tax in EURO and not in USD.
And I probably should add this to my signature…
QUOTE
And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.


[cheers]
z.

Killtown - July 11, 2006 07:40 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (zapzarap @ Jul 11 2006, 07:27 AM)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 11 2006, 09:07 AM)
Now let me be clear I'm not denying it or any mistreatement/murder of Jews and others, I just want to know if there were any lies and distortions about the holocaust because it's seem like the Zionists benefitted from this "holocaust" and my tax dollars are supporting the end result of it (Israel).  If I'm forced to pay taxes for them, I have a right to know what really happened.

And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.

That is pretty much my position, with the only exception that I pay my tax in EURO and not in USD.
And I probably should add this to my signature…
QUOTE
And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.


[cheers]
z.

Please do!

:lol:

[cheers]

Pablo - July 11, 2006 08:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 11 2006, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 10 2006, 08:48 PM)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 10 2006, 05:33 PM)
QUOTE (Pablo @ Jul 10 2006, 09:34 AM)
That is totally illogical. Its obviously a sensitive subject and you will get some people who will react strongly towards people who question it. Those reactions bare no relevance whatsoever on the truth of what happened.

Wouldn't you be more suspicious if there was not a single person who cared about it being questioned?

I think both of those would cause suspicion in me.

But why? What kind of historical fact is based upon how the general public react when confronted with questions about it?

If you are basing any part of your understanding of history upon that, your thinking is seriously flawed.

When countries pass laws to essentially prevent you from researching something, something is seriously wrong.

Wouldn't you agree?

The thing which was seriously wrong was that the problem originated in those countries that passed that law. Don't you think its possible the laws were passed in order to stop their countries from doing the same again. You also have to understand the sensitivity of the subject within those countries.

Also David Irving has changed his position from the time he committed the offence. The offence wasn't doing research it was putting forward conclusions from his research (which he has since changed).

free_me - July 11, 2006 08:32 AM (GMT)
Sort of on topic, but kinda not really... but sort of.

The Occult History of the Third Reich
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=occu...ry+of+the+third

Just watched p.4 the other day... I looks like just the first of four is on google.

Black^ - July 11, 2006 12:59 PM (GMT)
My last place of residence in germany was Dachau, I campaigned along with the locals to have the KZ (concentration camp museum on the old site) bulldozed and the land used for a 21st century something or other,anything other than the dead shunned place it had become(except for bus loads of foreign tourists coming to see what the germans had done). The Americans would not let them.


A british journalist reported this yesterday in the press.

10 July 2006
"I WAS brought up to hate Germany and everything in it but for the first time in my life I find myself changing my mind, because the Germany we loathed with such passion no longer exists.

So is it OK to like Germany yet?"


this journo is about 42 years of age,maybe 43,where did his passion for hating germans come from ?
the ass only dropped his prejudice because of the world cup.

I would like to know who is still preaching this hate and what purpose it serves.

B^


zapzarap - July 13, 2006 02:57 PM (GMT)
"I would like to know who is still preaching this hate and what purpose it serves."

B^ - This is one classic example of a rhetorical question!

You gave the answer yourself by asking the question on this thread.

The same hate that has been preached against the Germans since WWII is now being preached against Islam.


By whom ??? [hmm]


Killtown - July 14, 2006 08:24 AM (GMT)
Did you know that if you claim MORE Jews died in the Holocaust than described by mainstream historiography that you are considered a Holocaust denier?

QUOTE
Holocaust denial... is the belief that the Holocaust did not occur as it is described by mainstream historiography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial


What a JOKE the definition of Holocaust Denial is!!!

What if I believed every bad thing claimed about the Holocaust, but my research led me to believe that only 4 million Jews died instead of 6 million? That makes me a "holocaust denier"???

Here are the definitions of these words:

QUOTE
hol·o·caust   
1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.
2.
    a. Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and others by the Nazis during World War II
    b. A massive slaughter
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dicti...entry/holocaust

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de·ni·al   
  3.
        a. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine or belief.       
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial

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de·ny   
  1. To declare untrue; contradict.
  2. To refuse to believe; reject.
  3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/deny



Doesn't the phrase "holocaust denial" sound like it means that you don't think the holocaust happened at all?

Hmm, I wonder if those who wrote the definition did it in a way to try to defame anyone who tries to question the holocaust maybe???

[hmm]

Killtown - July 28, 2006 08:07 PM (GMT)
Very interesting artice, says a lot of what I've been saying about how fishy it is that people automatically accuse you of being an anti-semite and "Hitler sympathizer" and that some countries want to arrest you for researching/expressing your views of the Holocaust...


QUOTE
Israel's Most Powerful Weapon--The Holocaust

Anyone who openly questions the official story of the Holocaust is attacked as anti-Semitic and sometimes they’re attacked physically. In much of Europe it is prison for anyone who dares to question the Holocaust!

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants a world conference to be held to investigate the claims made about the Jewish holocaust. As he said, "Not allowing any research proves that there is a problem and something is fishy."

And if the study finds the Jewish holocaust did not happen, then a key reason for the Jewish state of Israel does not exist.

http://www.strike-the-root.com/62/johnson/johnson2.html



It is my belief that if the holocaust didn't happen, then Israel would not be a state right now. This alone gives strong evidence that the zionists behind getting Israel created would exaggerate the holocaust for their end means.

I think people are scared to question any aspect of the holocaust and scaring people off from questioning the holocaust was one of the main goals of the zionist movement after WWII.

Just watch how I get labeled after posting this.

Killtown - July 28, 2006 08:20 PM (GMT)
Remember the rumor of the Nazi's using the fat from Jews in soap? I always believed it back then. Just shows you how rumors can be accepted as fact even if it's not true...



QUOTE
The Soap Myth

When Berenbaum began putting the USHMM exhibit together, even he believed "it was obviously the case" that the Nazis produced soap from fat. "There was a question as to whether we would use soap in the exhibition," he says. But after a thorough search, he adds, "I didn't find any evidence of it. I found evidence for everything else that ... the Nazis did and worse."

Aaron Breitbart, a senior researcher at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, agrees that the evidence is thin. "The leading scholars of the Holocaust are of the opinion that the Nazis did not make soap," he says. "It was a cruel rumor at the camps...."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...caust/soap.html

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 7 2006, 02:55 AM)
I've always had a problem with the claimed numbers of Jews that allegedly died there.  I keep hearing "6 million" or "1.5 million."  That alone is a HUGE discrepency.  Some say the number was as low as 280,000.

Suspecting what the Israeli/Palistine conflict is really about, the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not.

I'm not denying the Holocaust like some stupid nazi punk skinhead would, but just now question what was true and what was fiction.

WingTV seems to think the Holocaust was a major hoax like 9/11 was along with Judicial-Inc.

What I want to know is if there is a documentary that tries to debunk this or similar "holocaust revisionist" documentary?  I'd like to see the other side other than the MSM holocaust information we've all seen.

"I've always had a problem with the claimed numbers of Jews that allegedly died there. I keep hearing "6 million" or "1.5 million." That alone is a HUGE discrepency. Some say the number was as low as 280,000."

You've been hearing and some have been saying? Well you've proved it to me already. Can you please cite sources for your disinformation? Do you believe that the Nazis could possibly count every person they executed, did they really have the time to document it all and would they want such evidence kept?

A lot of Jews were murdered - that's the important thing - not trying to build illogical conspiracy theories about Zionists. You, Killtown, try your hardest to point everything to the Zionists so you can keep your boring and repetitive 'theory' alive.

"Suspecting what the Israeli/Palistine conflict is really about, the strong evidence Israel was involved with 9/11, and seeing how 9/11 was faked in general, it makes me wonder how much of the Holocaust was true or not."

OK so you cited the source for your information, which also seems to be your own site. I'll admit I only skimmed through the 'Oil or Jesus' piece but I couldn't take it seriously when you mention this: "Upon hearing this, it immediately reminded me about this anonymous e-mail I once received a while ago (hyperlinks are mine): The Second Coming Of Jesus Christ". You then proceed to paste the email. Can you do any better than crap websites like yours and similar?

If you want to watch good Holocaust documentaries, watch the freaking History Channel. You'll get to see piles of bodies and the gas chambers

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 7 2006, 07:05 AM)
One of the reasons I think the Holocaust has been totally exaggerated is the sheer hostility that you get if you dare question it. I mean when countries enact laws against questioning it, something's wrong!

Stupid, illogical and a typical conspiracy nut would use an argument like this.

People who survived the horror of WWII and the Holocaust don't want to be reminded and definately don't want kids with no experience in such harshness to abuse the brains they were given and lessen the importance of such events.

Laws have been enacted to stop disgusting neo-nazis, idiots 'doing a Hitler' on the streets and repeating history or using idiocy to 'prove' the holocaust never happened.

These countries have been through hell and no way do they want to go through it again.

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 8 2006, 07:10 PM)
I just got spammed on my youtube profile that I was a "neo-nazi skinhead" for starting this thread!

See what I mean how some people accuse you for even to question the holocaust? This kind of stuff is what makes me suspicious about events like these.

An obvious idiot who knows as little as you on the subject calls you a skinhead and that just reinforces your idea that 'there must be something fishy?'

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 10 2006, 05:36 PM)
And I was thinking about this last night, would Israel have had been established if this "holocaust" hadn't happen like we were told?

You were thinking? Did it hurt much?

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 11 2006, 07:07 AM)
And if people accuse me of being a Nazi for wanting the truth, then they can go shove their baseless accusations up their asses.

Baseless accusations - I like it but it's very hypocritical don't you think?

I don't think you are a Nazi but I can prove you are using evidence gathered from reading what you say. Everything that has happened has benefited the Jews, which you have a major problem with, and you want the truth to comeout so they can be exposed and have much lesser importance in the world. Therefore you hate Jews and you are a Nazi.

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 14 2006, 08:24 AM)
Did you know that if you claim MORE Jews died in the Holocaust than described by mainstream historiography that you are considered a Holocaust denier?

QUOTE
Holocaust denial... is the belief that the Holocaust did not occur as it is described by mainstream historiography.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial


What a JOKE the definition of Holocaust Denial is!!!

What if I believed every bad thing claimed about the Holocaust, but my research led me to believe that only 4 million Jews died instead of 6 million? That makes me a "holocaust denier"???

Here are the definitions of these words:

QUOTE
hol·o·caust   
1. Great destruction resulting in the extensive loss of life, especially by fire.
2.
    a. Holocaust The genocide of European Jews and others by the Nazis during World War II
    b. A massive slaughter
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dicti...entry/holocaust

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de·ni·al   
  3.
        a. A refusal to accept or believe something, such as a doctrine or belief.       
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/denial

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de·ny   
  1. To declare untrue; contradict.
  2. To refuse to believe; reject.
  3. To refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disavow.
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/deny



Doesn't the phrase "holocaust denial" sound like it means that you don't think the holocaust happened at all?

Hmm, I wonder if those who wrote the definition did it in a way to try to defame anyone who tries to question the holocaust maybe???

[hmm]

[doh] Why must you come up with such stupid arguments build around childish distortions? Why did you not paste the rest of the segment you copied?

Key elements of this belief are the explicit or implicit rejection that, in the Holocaust:

* The Nazi government had a policy of deliberately targeting Jews, people of Jewish ancestry, and the Roma (also known as Gypsies) for extermination as a people;
* Over six million Jews[1] were systematically killed by the Nazis and their allies.
* Tools of efficient mass extermination, such as gas chambers, were used in extermination camps to kill Jews.

I'm sorry but where does it state that if you claim there are more deaths you are a Holocause denier? It doesn't but you managed to find, like you always do, a 'hole' in the description which you then use to DEFAME the Wiki post by calling it a JOKE.

It's obvious to anyone with half a brain, or less, that a Holocaust denier denies the above stated text from Wiki and tries to lessen the actual events of the Holocaust. The article doesn't explicitly explain this because it is idiotic to think what you thought.

"Doesn't the phrase "holocaust denial" sound like it means that you don't think the holocaust happened at all?

Hmm, I wonder if those who wrote the definition did it in a way to try to defame anyone who tries to question the holocaust maybe???"

You then perform a 360. That is evidence that these Zionist supporters just hate when people try to question the Holocaust. Seriously, do you smoke too much meth? You are able to find a conspiracy in everything no matter how absurd it sounds.

You are saying Wikipedia is now involved in a mass conspiracy. Maybe an idiot published that article, just maybe?

st8tesman - September 11, 2006 05:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Killtown @ Jul 28 2006, 08:07 PM)
I think people are scared to question any aspect of the holocaust and scaring people off from questioning the holocaust was one of the main goals of the zionist movement after WWII.

Just watch how I get labeled after posting this.

Protecting yourself from someone like me calling you an "idiot"? I suppose I can expect such rants from someone who helped with Loose Change. What a load of crap that mockumentary was.

People aren't scared to question the Holocaust, they might be afraid of been branded an imbucile though. There is more evidence than there is time to read it all that shows the holocaust happened. What we can't prove beyond a doubt is how many people were involved, all we know is that it was a sh*tload.




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