People talk about towers, pentagon, etc.

To me the smoking gun of 9/11 is if its proven Atta was a double agent, sent to "al Qaeda" to rile up naive patsies to come to America, go "unnoticed"(yeah right...the FBI was told to back off), and offer the distraction for the real fireworks.

Mossad was trailing the hijackers and lived near em in Florida

Atta was trained at Maxwell Airforce Base in the late 1990's with 4 others, probably the 5 who riled up 14 idiots to "join the 9/11 jihad". Remember, its only the young guys who appear in the video wills. The older men were not muslims, but very very well paid double agents who loved hookers and cocaine.

Everyone agrees it was Atta who came up with the 9/11 plan, or at least brought the idea to KSM. KSM IS ISI. ISI funded and facilitated 9/11.

Atta's dufflebag with a koran(blasphemy since that would be deliberately intending to destroy a koran), boxcutters, terrorist training manual, flight sim cdrom, and list of 19 hijackers...how convenient!) was coincidentally noit sent to Logan, and Atta's passport just happens to be foudn near ground zero.

Atta was CLEARLY identified in the top secret pentagon program able danger in 1999, most likely I suspect to make him a candidate for riling up and provocatuering the whole al qaeda element. they destroyed 2.5 terrabytes of info on able danger...i wonder why

Atta was seen with the 4 older hijackers at Jack Abramoff's casino boat a lot in the weeks leading to 9/11

He was wired $100,000 by Pakistani ISI head General Mahmoud Ahmed...same 9/11 money man who met with the heads of the CIA on the morning of 9/11.

From all accounts Atta was no Muslim. He was a cocaine snorting, pork chop loving, Beastie Boys listening, western clothes loving, hooker doing, party animal who mostly hung out with European mafia types and crooked flight school instructors.

Atta has two cars rented out at the same time from opposite ends of the country, and his father swears up and down that his son is still alive and in hiding

So what the hell is going on? Is that really Atta on the FAA controller recording?

Did he really perish in the WTC attack?

Was he really just a jihadist working for Osama?

Mohammed Atta, and to a lesser extent John Oneil, Khalid shaeik Mohammed, Omar Saaed, General Mahmoud Ahmad, and to some extent Actor James Woods ALL have a key piece to understanding how the hijackers were simply the distraction and not the real story.

James Woods????

Haven't heard that yet...what does he have to do with this?

>Atta's dufflebag with a koran(blasphemy since that would be deliberately intending to destroy a koran), boxcutters, terrorist training manual, flight sim cdrom, and list of 19 hijackers...how convenient!)

I always thought it was bizarre that he brought all this incriminating stuff with him to the airport. cdrom...yeah that's real useful in a parking lot. Extra boxcutters, terror training manual???? What, to brush up before the exam?


>He was wired $100,000 by Pakistani ISI head General Mahmoud Ahmed...same 9/11 money man who met with the heads of the CIA on the morning of 9/11.

Yep I've heard that.

Wait, what?

Oh totally. James Woods was in a flight from Phoenix two weeks before 9/11,
saw 3 Arab men play acting like they were trying to take over the plane. He went up to the stewardess, and said he was convinced they were going to hijack the plane.
He did get in contact with federal authorities, who if I remember correctly said not to worry, they were just running a drill to find lapses in security. Well, on 9/12 when the pictures were released, ya can guess who those 3 men were. This was pretty nationally covered, but mostly forgotten.

** Atta speculation / what is wrong with this picture ***

Something about Atta reminds me of the 7/7 bombings in London. These were people described as loving their families, making plans for the future, who cared about the world etc. Something just doesnt fit the picture.

Interviews of his friends indicate great surprise at what he did.
911myth.com puts forward the idea that he was a member of a sect who would have embraced apparently non-Islamic behaviour as a cover. From what I read about his personality, he was forthright about what he believed and "walked his talk". They also said he was a plane fearing wuss. When I was at Uni, I met loads of foriegn students who sounded like him. They would be their paying course fees through the nose, have HUGE family pressure on performing and making good for the family reputation. They would take a few hours a week off and hang out with friends and then it would be work work work. Architecture is a very demanding long course - lazy architecture students dont last long.

The descriptions of Atta by his girlfriend Amanda Kellor of him being a violent blinging cokehead who killed her kittens as revenge for their breakup just doesnt fit with the bookish shy polite academic.

To me if there seemed any direction Atta would have gone, it would have been to a more heart-based form of Islam like Sufism - a very rough Christian analogy would be the Quakers for whom "speaking truth to power" and social justice is very important. He seemed to have too much live and let live from what his friends at University said.

Atta's passport is not what was found on ground zero if I remember hearing an update recently.

It was thought to have been found, but it was actually someone else (another hi-jacker's) passport. I think it was Al Suqami. It was in circulation that it was Atta's for some time and a lot of 911truth sites report Atta's passport, but investigate yourselves and see what you come up with.


Again, just to make sure everyone has their story correct when covering this, I think it was Al Suqami who's passport was found. I'm checking for an actual factual document that states this. I'll post soon.

MS. SUSAN GINSBURG: Beginning with passports. Four of the hijackers passports have survived in whole or in part. Two were recovered from the crash site of United Airlines flight 93 in Pennsylvania. These are the passports of Ziad Jarrah and Saeed al Ghamdi. One belonged to a hijacker on American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Satam al Suqami. A passerby picked it up and gave it to a NYPD detective shortly before the World Trade Center towers collapsed. A fourth passport was recovered from luggage that did not make it from a Portland flight to Boston on to the connecting flight which was American Airlines flight 11. This is the passport of Abdul Aziz al Omari.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hear..._2004-01-26.htm


This is from the 911commisssion report hearing.

Here's where you can take that link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8888742751442686831]

Gypsy here
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=3691

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050407hijackers...tarytraining911

The fact atta and 4 others trained at secure US millitary bases?

Omar Sheikh Saeed was they guy that did the actual wiring using the alias Mustafa Muhammad Ahmad over a period of time to accounts controlled by Atta.

Omar was later convicted for the murder of Daniel Pearl

General Mahmoud Ahmad resigned his position as ISI chief after it was rumoured in the Indian press that the ~$100K was transferred under his orders.

The bank used for the transfer was Standard Chartered Bank - which had an office in building 7 coincidentally on one of the floors that had a fire reported in it.

Just to be accurate,

I would get in the habit of saying, ISI recruited and funded the Islamic men that played the parts of the Hijackers on 9/11.

(ISI's hundred thousand dollars of course didn't pay for all the drones and the controlled demolition etc...)

Far out. Didn't know that.

Damn, I had no idea about this. The rabbit hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

Wtc-7 Tenant Did Banking For 9/11 Patsies
http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...wtopic=6621&hl=

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Possible. But I believe his identity (like the others) was stolen and used by someone else in U.S.A. (perhaps Mossad, even Atta has features of an `Arab israeli, so that can't be ruled out).

If the information is coming from Hopsicker, then that should speak for it self. 19martyr videos are in contradiction to the reports from Hopsicker and newspapers across America. The eyewitness reports are fabricated (enjoying lap dances, leaving Qur'ans in the bar, etc.). Those are quite naive and stupid. The 19martyr video is "more" credible. Hence, I believe these guys' identities were stolen.

ISI is loyal to the GID of Saudia `Arabia. Afghan-Soviet war makes this quite evident in the shipment of aid and personnel to Afghanistan from the Arabian peninsula. That is why 15 of the Arab identities of the supposed hijackers were native Saudia (with the exception of Atta being born in Egypt, and somehow he was able to get Saudia citizenship). GID gave these names in cooperation with other intelligences (CIA, MI5, MOSSAD, ISI).

This is more evidence of Atta's identity stolen and manipulated by intelligence agencies.

That should hold little credibility, just like the CIA sworn statement in which they stated that they never met or were acquainted with bin Laden. Don't be too naive in reading reports and accepting them like they are sent from Heaven!

If it is from Hopsicker and others, no credibility. But if it is confirmed from other independent sources, then again, to reiterate throughout this post, his identity was stolen.

One of the few who reported this information was the Indian intelligence. So why would India report it? Don't they have a constant grudge with Pakistan because of its wanting independency in the 1940s and the modern Kashmir conflict? And the FBI confirming it? No, it holds no truth. It is manipulated for disinformation and confusion.

This is sheer Hopsicker information and propaganda. The whole information with the Amanda Keller is ludicrous. She acts like this dumb, stereotypical blond, airhead. She states that Atta snorted coke, and one time, prayed religiously and afterwards killed her cats!!! Now that is stupid and naive. There is no confirmed relationship between the two. One of the reasons why I hate Hopsicker and shows his motives.

Again, to keep nailing in the head, his identity stolen.

The real Atta was perhaps influenced definitely by Ikhwan al Muslimoon and the Qutb ideology. Afterwards I believe he was killed sometime in Germany at the command of intelligences including Mubarak's men. His father's reports are contradictory and confusing. It breathes an apologetic stance and him wanting attention.

The guys with muslim names were given too much hype and were sheer patsies that could be manipulated. James Woods is just full of sh*t. His statements in an interview wanted to heighten the whole "hijacker" scenario immediately after 9/11.

I saw a link with scans of t wo different passports, two different photos of one of the alleged flight 93 guys, and proof there was doubles of some of them(car rental receipts) Anyone have anymore of that.

Btw, who are the men in this video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3657479898431151510

Which video is this? Care to upload it elsewhere, youtube?

you people are indeed stupid if you think that just because some arab guy has the same name of one of the hijackers it makes the whole story untrue. obviously you have absolutely no experience with islamic naming conventions. as i have personally spent a year in iraq (don't get me wrong, i don't support bush or the war, etc.), let me give you a hand. while there are hundreds of islamic male names, most children are typically named from a pool of 10 or so names...names like mohammed, ahmed, and other names that have historical significance like salah (as in, salah ad din, the muslim warrior-king that fought in the crusades). thus, having at least two mohammed atta's is in no way a unique or special thing. there are probably 50 or 100 of them. just like john smith is a common name in america. so saying that just because someone who had the same name as a 9/11 hijacker trained at u.s. military bases doesn't mean we're talking about the same people. you'd have to have picture/video evidence to be 100% sure. even eyewitness accounts aren't trustworthy. afterall, the victims of the tehran hostage crisis swear the current iranian president was one of their captors, but no one believes them. well, i do, but that's because he was a former commander of the revolutionary guard, which is sort of akin to the ss. but i digress...now lets take a look at the schools at which these men (referring to the men who share names with the hijackers, not the hijackers themselves) attended. defense language institute? ooh, training at the dli learning a foreign language, which was probably english. now that makes me think double agent. did you know the u.s. military hosts military officers from all over the world every year? there was a contingent of ecuadorian officers here at fort bragg for a while training with us. there's the school of the americas down in florida where officers from all of north and south america can train. so saying that because two saudi fighter pilots trained at pensacola, fl means nothing, even if they share the same names as hijackers. in all of the 5 cases of shared identity, their biographical information was quite different, i'm talking birthdates 20 years apart in some cases. there's no way that's a typo. how about you people learn to do real research before you make your claims. or maybe read the whole article, not just the headlines next time.

Hey you "Coakaroachhhh" (Scarface accent):

Remember this [poop] Yea, it was posted in this thread: Proof The Terrorists Are Alive?

You again specify you have knowledge of `Arabic names, and anyone fluent in `Arabic including Braheem, will attest to you embarrassing yourself.

Anybody notice that Atta looks the "scariest" out of all the alleged hijackers? Must be a coincidence.