Before 9/11, Osama bin Laden’s group was small and fractious. How Washington helped to build it into a global threat.

A must read about how the Government "fibbed" the Al Qaeda's all reaching scope (that was obviously bullshit to the rest of us). Now if they lied about Al Qaeda in Iraq and other places, how do they figure Atta is even connected to it? Developing...

The Myth of Al Qaeda

Hey nesNYC [salute]

Below are a couple of good links to existing threads...


Al Qaeda was really fabricated by the US

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=5129


You can see how the need to form Al-CIAda came about in 2000 in the great 3 part documentary "The Power of Nightmares".

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...p?showtopic=193

All the best

LondonEye
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Thanks! I know about the above links already. The one I posted is brand new, just from yesterday.

I disagree that al-Qaeda is a "total" myth. Al-Qaeda is an organization created by the General Intelligence Department of Saudia `Arabia (GID). Ahmad Badeeb, Prince Turki al Faisal, and other forefathers of the intelligence movement in accordance with the `Arab fighters, including bin Laden, organized it.

you people are truly ridiculous. al-qaeda trained somalis to shoot down helicopters before 1993, they attacked the embassies in kenya in 1999, and they bombed the u.s. cole in yemen in 2000. to say they're a fabrication of u.s. intelligence services, especially as late as 2000 is sheer disregard to the facts. al qaeda was formed during/after the soviet invasion of afghanistan in the 1980s from the networking of the mujahadeen there. bin laden used his inheritance from his father's business empire to fund it. and yes, the bushies lied about al-qaeda's ties to iraq, but they didn't lie about the wmd's. you just don't know the whole truth. i do. i served in iraq for a year as an intelligence analyst. i know about the stockpiles that were found. i know about the shipment of weapons to syria. you might say "well, why doesn't the government show the whole world to prove it wasn't lying?". that's the problem with these things. many things aren't classified because of what they contain. they're classified because of the way it was found or recorded. most of the humint (human intelligence) reports in iraq are classified secret, not because of anything shocking in the reports, but because of the need to protect the informant's identity.

Show me where the term al-Qae`eda was used in `93. Show me where the term al-Qae`eda was used in the 1999 and 2000 incidents. Where from, who from, and how did Osama bin Laden land "happily" in Afghanistan??

al-Qaeda, 1993 - Ramzi Yousef was believed to be connected to al-Qaeda, and his uncle may have been involved in 9/11.

BBC Timeline

This also refers to the Kenya bombings, which happened in '98. This has a nice little timeline of news on al-Qaeda. People didn't just make up al-Qaeda after 9/11. Just because you don't remember the news from a few years ago, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

al-Qaeda, 2000 - The two men who bombed the Cole were reportedly from al-Qaeda.

Wikipedia - USS Cole

Even if you think the gov't/media is lying about al-Qaeda's involvement, it is still a fact that the media reported that al-Q was involved in these instances.

Show me documents stating al-Qae`eda pre-911 for being responsible, not post 9/11 rhetoric grouping past occurrences with the group.

you people are stupid, a reporter for the new york times bought the pc that belonged to al-quaeda in iraq, and in the hard drive, there are memos specifically detailing the 9/11 attacks, and talked about a variety of the shit they do.

al queda released a documentary/ propaganda film specifically detailing how they were responisble for the cole bombing

are you denying the existence of al-queda pre 9/11?
do you realize how stupid that is.
we know they existed before them, we know that afghanistan let them stay in the nation, we know that sudan offered to give us the leadership during the clinton administration.
Do you think that clinton fired those tomohawk missiles at an aspirin factory because he likes wasting 25 million doolars pointlessly?

The `Arab Mujahideen went to Afghanistan and Pakistan via the GID of Saudia `Arabia (Prince Turki and Ahmad Badeeb) and joined Hezbs (parties/groups) with Sayyaf and also others in the Kunar province of Afghanistan. `Abdullah Azzam was the leader of the majority of the `Arab Mujahideen there including Osama bin Laden. After Azzam passed away, Osama and others became more assertive.

In all of the Bin Laden speeches pre-911 or all of supposed Islamic "terrorism" activities pre-911, there is NO mention of the name of al-Qa`eda. Please show me. The name for the group was formulated by intelligence agencies. The media revised their articles and made a connotation to past occurrences of "terror" activities by attributing this name "al-Qa`eda" to them.

Bearing such a nickname indeed makes you of a gullible stature.

Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by http://JohnPerkins.org

Read "The Grand Chessboard" by Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Watch http://WhoKilledJohnOneil.com

Before you ask someone "you know how stupid that is" make sure you don't sound stupid. Al-Qaeda is an asset, used to fool you. They may exist but everyone knows they are funded, trained, backed and aided by the CIA and more. They are nothing more a frankenstein and they would not exist in a vacuum. Same with the Taliban. The majority of people on this planet know this and want to live in peace. This means people waking up (especially Americans) and abolishing the gangsters like the constitution calls for. This pisses off more people in the world than anything else.

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If the USS Cole attack was islamic terrorism, why then the US stopped John O'Neills investigation into it?

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Wow,that's all I can say.

The stupidity of CTs just doesn't stop does it?

Do enlighten a non-"CT".

Who did it then?

You guys don't even believe that Al Qaida exists? Yikes..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Qaida

The issue is who coined the term, and who they applied it to. Not whether they exist.

It's obvious that there is no such thing as a worldwide network of Islamic killers that operates separate from US and British intelligence, or their vassals in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. Al Qaida as such only exist in the propaganda and false identification with regard to geo-political terrorism. When a bomb goed off in Mumbai, it's attributed to Al Qaida, while it is in reality covert operators of the Pakistani ISI, with the full backing of MI6 and/or the CIA. The only time Al Qaida as an entity manifests itself in any shape or form, is when mental deficients like Moussaoui or Richard Reed pledge their allegiance to the cave in Afghanistan. Apart from these hallucinations, there is no such thing as Al Qaida.

Anyone who thinks otherwise should watch "The Power of Nightmares".

How in the world could someone be so freakin crazy to believe that thousands of pounds of explosives was placed in the tower, and no one noticed?

This is another form of mindset. It’s better to believe that the Government did it, that Bush did it, that way their hatred is justified. The war is unjustified.

You know.. Before going to a forum to argue, it's always a good idea to have at least the slightest idea about the topic at hand. After reading your last reply, its obvious that you are 100% clueless.

November 4th, 1998

The US governemnt, under William Clintons admionistration indict Osama Bin Laden.

The 1998 indictment said: "Al Qaeda also forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and with the government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezbollah for the purpose of working together against their perceived common enemies in the West, particularly the United States. In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."

look up the indictment. they call Al Qaeda by name in the indictment.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/11/indict1.pdf

There is the text of the 1998 indictment, where it is stated that in 1989 they took the name Al Qaeda.

So there is a document from 1998.

A myth always includes phenomena that are a part of the real world. That however doesn't validate the myth.
The American propaganda machine falsely identified a controlled asset of MI6/CIA/ISI/GID as a self-sufficient entity, linked to America's adversaries.
There is absolutely no proof of course that what is deceptively called Al Qaeda has any connection to Iran or Hezbollah, or Iraq. This indictment therefore serves the purpose of sheep-dipping and demonizing Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah, among others. Again, the mythical entity called Al Qaeda emerges as an effective instrument of foreign policy, as it did in the run-up to the Iraq war, and as it did in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 as a perfect demagogy of fear.

No buddy. Try harder.

The article gives no substantiated proof or any association to the year 1989. It just states that they labeled themselves then.

`Abdullah Azzam mentioned the term al Qa`eda al Sulbah (translated roughly in English as (the vanguard of the strong) in 1987. Remember `Abdullah Azzam was assassinated in Pakistan. Some even link bin Laden or perhaps CIA/ISI officials in the conspiracy.

It was others who dubbed al Qa`eda on them due to Osama being a follower of Azzam. The name took full effect after 9/11.

A list of attacks where Al Qeida was behind or inspired. In 1998 or 1999 Osama Bin Laden did an interview for ABC news. I will come back with a link to it.

* January 25, 1993: Mir Aimal Kansi, a Pakistani, fired an AK-47 into cars waiting at a stoplight in front of the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in Virginia, killing two CIA employees.

* February 26, 1993: Islamic terrorists try to bring down the World Trade Center with car bombs. They failed to destroy the buildings, but killed 6 and injured over 1000 people.

* July 18, 1994: Bombing of Jewish Center in Buenos Aires, Argentina, kills 86 and wounds 300.

* July 19, 1994: Alas Chiricanas Flight 00901 is bombed, killing 21.

* July 26, 1994: The Israeli Embassy is attacked in London, and a Jewish charity is also car-bombed, wounding 20.

* December 11, 1994: A bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman. It develops that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb to test it for the larger terrorist attack he is planning.

* December 24, 1994: In a preview of September 11, Air France Flight 8969 is hijacked by Islamic terrorists who planned to crash the plane in Paris.

* January 6, 1995: Operation Bojinka, an Islamist plot to bomb 11 U.S. airliners over the Pacific Ocean, is discovered on a laptop computer in a Manila, Philippines apartment by authorities after a fire occurred in the apartment. Noted terrorists including Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed are involved in the plot.

* July—October, 1995: Bombings in France by Islamic terrorists led by Khaled Kelkal kill eight and injure more than 100.

* November 13, 1995: Bombing of OPM-SANG building in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia kills 7

* November 19, 1995: Bombing of Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan kills 19.

* June 25, 1996: The Khobar Towers bombing, carried out by Hezbollah with Iranian support. Nineteen U.S. servicemen were killed and 372 wounded.

* February 24, 1997: An armed man opens fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, United States, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from several countries. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claims this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine".

* November 17, 1997: Massacre in Luxor, Egypt, in which Islamist gunmen attack tourists, killing 62 people.

* August 7, 1998: Al Qaeda bombs U.S. embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya, killing 225 people and injuring more than 4,000.

* December 1998: Jordanian authorities foil a plot to bomb American and Israeli tourists in Jordan, and arrest 28 suspects as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.

* December 14, 1998: Ahmed Ressam is arrested on the United States–Canada border in Port Angeles, Washington; he confessed to planning to bomb the Los Angeles International Airport as part of the 2000 millennium attack plots.

* December 24, 1998: Indian Airlines Flight 814 from Kathmandu, Nepal to Delhi, India is hijacked by Islamic terrorists. One passenger is killed and some hostages are released. After negotiations between the Taliban and the Indian government, the last of the remaining hostages on board Flight 814 are released in exchange for release of 4 terrorists.

* January 2000: The last of the 2000 millennium attack plots fails, as the boat meant to bomb USS The Sullivans sinks.

* October 12, 2000: AL Qaeda bombs USS Cole with explosive-laden speedboat, killing 17 US sailors and wounding 40, off the port coast of Aden, Yemen.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh.../interview.html

Bin Laden's May 1998 interview with ABC news. He used Al Qeida.

It would be more useful to research these events, before attributing them to some phantomatic entity. The fact that these events occurred doesn't prove that Al Qaida as an international underground web, separate from the global, regional and local covert intelligence infrastructure run by the US and the UK; whether this organizatio alleged to have infiltrated 60 countries actually exists.

BTW, a good introduction into that incredibly manichean world that Al Qaeda is alleged to dominate, is an article by Robin Cook:
according to Robin Cook, former Foreign Secretary of the UK, Al Qaida was actually the name of the US intelligence database which oversaw the recruitment of mercenaries, criminals and the low-grade fanatics into the guerillas and terror cells which you know ironically refer to as Al Qaida, as if it were a truly independent force.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/...1523838,00.html

To study some of the events you mention as proof of the existence of this entity, I'll give some details that will put this on the right track:

-Mir Aimal Kansi's shooting spree: Kansi a former Mujahedeen recruited by the CIA's multi-billion dollar funded covert apparatus. “Intelligence sources said that the ISI-CIA collaboration in the 1980’s assisted Osama bin Laden, as well as Mir Aimal Kansi” – “Washington’s Pakistani Allies: Killers and Drug Dealers”, Sydney Morning Herald, September 27, 2001.

- July 18, 1994: Bombing of Jewish Center in Buenos Aires---in July of 1996, Argentine authorities arrested 17 police officers in connection with the attack. Reuter, 7/14/96. There is no evidence of the involvement of any Islamic group, no person has been charged, tried, convicted for this. All of it fits the M.O of the Mossad with probable assistance by partners inside the notorious Argentinian secret police.

- 1993 WTC- Bombing: Bomb was supplied by the FBI to their informant Emad Salem who was leading a group of mental deficients; Salem then offered the FBI to dismantle the bomb, but was ordered to allow the attack to take place by his superior John Anticev. New York Times, 10/28/1993. One of the group's members ,El-Sayyid Nosair, was given top secret US military documents by then FBI informant ali Mohamed. Wall Street Journal, 11/26/2001 BTW, Ali Mohamed is a former Special Forces Sergeant at Fort Bragg, often in touch with the CIA, responsible for training Bin Laden's bodyguards and mujahedeen against the Russians, and was training the very same group that would be convicted of the 1993 WTC bombings in 1989, all that while serving in the US Special Forces, with the full knowledge of the FBI, who later recruit him as an informant. http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timelin...ives=aliMohamed

- Alas Chiricanas Flight 00901 is bombed: No one convicted, no shred of proof implicating an Arab or Islamic enitity. Responsibility was claimed by a group calling itself Ansar Allah, but it later turned out that this group did not exist.

http://www.jta.org/page_view_story.aspstrw...ize=Jewish+News
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas_Chiricanas_bombing

- July 26, 1994: The Israeli Embassy is attacked in London, and a Jewish charity is also car-bombed: The attack on the Israeli embassy was carried out by Mossad, British security services had prior knowledge, according to former MI5 agents David Shayler and Annie Machon, also," the British daily "The Independent" unveiled important information on spying attempts made by the Israeli Mossad and operations targeting the destruction of Israeli embassies abroad.
"In an article published on Thursday and quoted by the BBC, the paper added that the person who is accused of being behind the bombing of the Israeli embassy in London in 1994, Rida Maghribi, was an agent recruited by the Mossad and was assigned by Israeli foreign intelligence for that purpose."

http://hardy.amnesty.org.uk/news/press/14085.shtml
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/...1998112708.html

FYC: "Of the MOSSAD, the Israeli intelligence service, the SAMS officers say: "Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." [Washington Times, September 10, 2001]" Indeed, consider the USS Liberty, the Lavon Affair and the attempt in 2002 by two israeli agents to smuggle bombs into the Mexican parliament, and on and on...

- December 11, 1994: A bomb explodes on board Philippine Airlines Flight 434, killing a Japanese businessman. It develops that Ramzi Yousef planted the bomb to test it for the larger terrorist attack he is planning:
Ramzi Yousef, the man who was so strangely able to communicate with the outside world while in a maximum security prison and arranged for passports and entrance inside the US on behalf of his associates, with a phone given to him by the FBI!. A phone he then uses to discuss operations against American commercial jets...does this mean that Ramzi Yousef, from inside a maximum security prison, has managed to infilitrate the FBI? Not likely....a one in a trillion chance that would be. No, it means that Ramzi Yousef was aided by elements inside the American intellience apparatus. This is confirmed by the fact that in 1993, he was allowed to enter the US, with Ahmad Ajaj, despite the fact that authorities considered them terrorists and that Ajaj had been arrested on entering at JFK Airport for showing up with a huge collection of forged and stolen identity records [Lance, 2003, pp. 280-82; New York Daily News, 9/24/2000; New York Daily News, 1/21/2002]http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=ramzi_yousef

- The attack plan against the Eiffel Tower in 1994: connected to GIA, a group fully infiltrated by Algerian intelligence (good friends to the US), funded by Al Taqwa and Saudi Charities, which are money laundering channels, replacing the BCCI as the CIA/GID money laundering front.
Read The War on Freedom and check out the Terror Timeline, where all the mystifications about terrorism are deconstructed by a compilation of admitted facts.

The rest could be for later....

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1

For all you ignorant lemmings, Please read the above link. These scumbags had plans to pull off 9|11 decades ago. We had a president in the 60,s with Balls of steel who dismantled the CIA and fired any and all of the traitors of the U.S but fortunatley for these scumbags some loony came along and took out the President. [nono]

Ali Mohammed helped in the bombing of the embassies.
Ali Mohammed was at that time a member of the US Army.

Shall i even waste my time debunking this troll? [crylol]

Where in the text of that interview do the words "Al Qaeda" feature?

Here is the ABC of terror against US population:

- do you need to justify military budgets and don't have a real enemy? INVENT IT or SPONSOR IT.

- do you need to keep your people under terror? use that enemy as bogey-man and culprit for all bad things, from 'I found a fly in my soup' :D to 9/11. And bombard people with all kind of threats so they go home, lock their doors and watch horror news TV...

- do you need your people ignorant and servant? feed them with junk food for physical destruction, feed them with junk education for brainwashing since childhood, inform them with junk news TV for destroying what was left healthy.

- do you need your people NOT reacting, NOT thinking at overthrowing a sick regime governed by the most evil minds (CFR, illuminati, etc) using the sickest organisation ever invented (CIA) ? create 'monsters' from time to time and destroy them with a lot of media around so to teach by the power of example that everybody should keep their damn mouths shut or else...

I'm stopping here. I see I went till letter D, but I am counting on you to fill the alphabet of terror. AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. OR ELSE.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...&articleId=1291