does anyone that reads this have anyone they know that died on 9/11? i do. a friend's aunt was in the towers, another friends uncle, and also several employees associated with my former employer were there.

i have never met anyone that knows someone who died that was actualy IN one of the planes however. i have several friends, most in fact that atleast know someone who knows of someone else that is somehow connected that died in the WTC but not to anyone that was a pasenger on one of the planes. you know, its sort of like 7 degrees of kevin bacon. within seven steps you can generally connect yourself to him. i have a friend that worked the ski lift in the resort town i used to live that rode te ski lift with kevin bacon. so i'm 3 degrees seperated. how many degrees seperated are you from someone that died who was actually on one of those planes? i cant find any connection, can you?

Nope.

Not one.

[dunno]

http://www.UniversalSeed.org

[cheers]

Kind of along the same lines of what I was asking about the other day too. It seems that not a one of them are a part of the 911 truth movement and those seem to be the strangest circumstances that thier loved ones died especially flight 93 [hmm] I wasnt able to see inside the pentagon so I cant attest for flight 77...from the pcitures in the ZM trial there looks to only be up to 5 -6 bodies of possible empoyees inside the pentagon?! let alone the FOIA that said NO arabs were on the flight 77 manifest.

I "knew" a fund manager, David Alger, of Fred Alger Management who died in the 9/11 attacks. I met him a couple of times at "due diligence" meetings around the country. There were also a number of people from Cantor Fitzgerald who died on 9/11 along with a number of financial types at Wall St. firms. No, I didn't know them, but I know a lot of people who did know them.

so these people died and were on the planes themselves? which flight were they on?

Nobody died, the reptilian aliens transported all victims to another area where they were put under mind control and transported back to ground zero for "rescuing".

When you think of how few people filed for the compensation money offered to families of passengers on the planes, it does make you wonder just who was on those aircraft.

I don't know anyone who was lost on September 11th. I know people .... who know people, who were lost at either the Pentagon (inside) or inside the WTC towers.

Strangest phenomenon...I don't know any people or know of people who know people who know people who were lost on one of thsoe planes.

[dunno]

One of my good friend's dad died on 9/11. There were at least 3 or 4 deaths in my town and my dad knew 2 of them. I live about 5 minutes from Queens and a loooooooot of people close to the city on Long Island were effected. My cousin was actually FDNY at the time but he switched out about a year after 9/11. I really think that a majority of the people that died were commuters from LI or Jersey.

Edit: Everyone I know that died were in the actual buildings

even if we don't know him personally, as americans, and christians, i'm sure we all feel like we know Todd "let's roll" Beamer by now.....

(sarcasm alert)

howard selwyn:

http://www.september11victims.com/septembe...nfo.asp?ID=3023

he worked in the towers, not on the plane. he was a really really good friend of mine's dad. i actually met him for the first time about a month before september 11th and remember thinking how good of a guy he was. it was really depressing to be in that atmosphere, and going to his funeral was even worse.

Is there really no family accounts from relatives of those on the planes?? None at all??

Wow. To me that is absolutely amazing. I remember the Lockerbie disaster over here some years ago, and the pictures at the airport of relatives waiting for their loves ones who would, sadly, never arrive. There's nothing like that with 9/11 and that's shocking.

Another little piece of the puzzle I think...

At the time the Irish media reported that an Irish woman and her child was on one of the WTC planes, and her brother was working in the tower. The brother escaped and (I think) was interviewed on radio.

But now that I think back on that - I wonder was it true.

Edit: Actually it does seem to be true - I tracked it down.

Ruth Clifford McCourt, 45, was born in Cork, Ireland and was aboard UA175 with her daughter, Juliana, 4.

The Juliana McCourt Children's fund was set up in her name. http://www.newlondonpoliceunion.com/mcourt.html

Her brother, Ronnie Clifford, was working in WTC but escaped.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/norther...and/1540529.stm

Very sad story.

Edit: Actually is gets weirder. Ruth and Juliana were flying to California with their friend Paige Farley- Hackel. At the last minute, Paige realised she could use her frequent flyer miles so she switched flights - to American Airlines Flight 11

Did every passanger on those flights book at the last minute? Is this unusual in the US?

Thanks Seabhcan that's the first info I've seen about anyone on the planes. And very sad, especially with her godmother transferring to Flight 11. Very sad story indeed...

Oh, and as far as booking late, it is my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong), that before 9/11 using Domestic Flights in the US was a lot like using a bus service, and you could book at the very last minute so long as their was adequate space. I believe that was also given as a reason for the security being lax.

There are many many many 9/11 families and survivors, as well as some firefighters and police who have spoken out for 9/11 truth. Of course Ann Coulter would just call them godless whores.

Yes. The Jersey Girls themselves have a new 9/11 truth documentary out. Seems to be on the LIHOP end of the spectrum.

While I agree with you, they tend to be relatives of those in the buildings, or of the firefighters who went in and tragically died. Up until today, I hadn't read anything from families of those on the planes.

And don't even start me on about Coulter, the woman is an utter disgrace...

I'm sorry, Jersey Girls??

ive often wondered if the only records of any family related response was of those who were aboard the planes as a last minute change. so far it seems that may be correct.

the ratio of dead who were aboard planes and dead who were in WTC is approx 1:15. (approx 200 dead in planes, 3000 in wtc). and the number of firefighters dead to total WTC is approx 1:10 (300 firefighters to 3000 WTC total). so it would seem likely that of every 15 people that read this and knew someone that died in WTC 1 of them should also or know instead a person on one of the flights and 1 out of every 10 would know of a firefighter. ive seen firefigters mentioned already, yet still other than the irish woman, noone actually knew anyone that knew anyone. for arguments sake lets count the irish woman as knowing someone on the flights. anyone that wasnt last minute?

my next question is this... does anyone have access to legal records that would disclose whether any of those that died on the flights including employees sued the airlines? or was paid pension or life insurance benifits? someone on one of those flights had to have life insurance. this would be an action seperate from a decision making legal process and would have been purchased long before 911 so should have existing records.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...Press+for+Truth

my next question is this... does anyone have access to legal records that would disclose whether any of those that died on the flights including employees sued the airlines? or was paid pension or life insurance benifits? someone on one of those flights had to have life insurance. this would be an action seperate from a decision making legal process and would have been purchased long before 911 so should have existing records.

I dont have the answer to that, but it is a good question.
I do remember the other day on larry king live there was a guy on the tv his name is David Horswitz or something like that, it flashed up on the screen SO quickly and was gone but I read it said "his wife was on the plane that his the pentagon and her name was rosemary", anyone can confirm?

I don't see that name here: http://www.september11victims.com/septembe...ictims_list.htm

Thanks for the link, anyone know where I can get the tape of the show? Demolition found the transcript the other day....it wasnt more than 10 days ago.

Todd..are you there???

Todd :o

If I may ask...who is her Godmother and where does she work?

You don't hear from the families of the plane victims because there was really only a small amount of people who died and they all died on the plane shot down in PA. The rest were CIA agents(think Northwoods). With their phony phone calls and fake histories. Someone should just take 5 random names from any flight other than 77 and run background checks on them and see what they find. I suspect that'll really open up a whole new can of worms.

YES.

At the time of the attacks I worked for a large insurance company. Daily I communicated with people at Empire Insurance at WTC.



:(

but were they on the PLANES or actually IN the WTC?

honestly if you are going to respond please atleast read the entire post.

if you read his post .... one could quite easily deduce that they were in the WTC.

I don't think this is true. There seems to have been real people on these flights, although far fewer than there would naturally have been.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Angell

I've been doing a lot of searching into the social security death index pertaining to the names of people on the flights and there are so many people missing from the index that should be there.

There are only 9 listed from flight 93 on the actual index.

I have been thinking if we could ever organise our funds on this forum that a good private investigator would be worth investing in to do some great leg work on some of these names.

I can think of one name in particular that would be at the top of my list to have checked into.

i could deduce, but then that leaves a margin for error. through clarification i reduce the margin to 0.

I do not know anyone killed on the planes. AND i have enver heard from anyone who did know someone.

Mark Bingham (Flight 93) was definitely a real guy. I played rugby in SF (women's team), and had friends on the SF Fog rugby team. Mark played for the SF Fog, and although I didn't know him personally, I knew his friends.

Who knows what actually happened to Mark, but he was definitely a real person. His mother had a very hard time, too, and I would doubt she was "paid off." (I don't doubt the 9/11 inside plot, but I'm cautious of believing that all the families were involved, too)

If there really were (staged) hijackers on that plane, I have no doubt Mark, indeed, would have stepped up and fought. He was the most well-liked guy on the team, and they created the "Mark Bingham Cup" tournament in his honor.

Let's keep pushing for the truth!

so if you were a total sheep and you read this thread, you'd come up with the follwoing truth, or evidence:

that nobody related to plane victims filed for compensation
that nobody knows somebody that died on the planes
that family members have been "paid off" to keep quiet
that familymemebrs are heavily involved in the truthmovement.

none of you needs to proove it, because this thread prooves it, now all we need to do is disseminate the information to a few other conspiracy sites, and prehaps we can convince 10,000 people of those 4 "truths".

finsish your artilces with "think northwoods" and there you have it - history in the making, family members backstabbed by the LC community for being "paid off", but they do get a free copy of LC at teh same time... because its aufully inportant to convince the family members they were "paid off" by the cia..

do you people even relise what backstabbers you are to the victims and their families ?

Well, I think the most obvious ones would be the producer of "Frasier", as well as his wife. Everyone knew them, I'm sure most people have watched it.

One of the Truth movement videos mentions Derill Bodley, father of a flight 93 victim (his daughter) who was at a truth movement meeting (unansweredquestions.org ? ).

Concerning Todd Beamer, let me quote Nineteen Eighty-Four. In the first part, Winston Smith is confronted to a difficult task. Big Brother made a speech which must be completely re-written (rectified), because Big Brother is never wrong. Instead of writing a new speech on the same topic, Winston decides to write something completely different :

"Suddenly there sprang into his mind, ready made as it were, the image of a certain Comrade Ogilvy, who had recently died in battle, in heroic circumstances. There were occasions when Big Brother devoted his Order for the Day to commemorating some humble, rank-and-file Party member whose life and death he held up as an example worthy to be followed. Today he should commemorate Comrade Ogilvy. It was true that there was no such person as Comrade Ogilvy, but a few lines of print and a couple of faked photographs would soon bring him into existence."

Todd Beamer, 2001's Ogilvy ?

You're obviously not from the United States. Why does it matter to you?

do you know what?

I totally HATE that attitude!

just because sumone isnt from America, doesnt mean 911 hasnt affected them in some way or isnt close to their heart, and it certainly doesnt mean they cant have an opinion on what went on

yes, i support/agree with the truth movement and i`m from britain, and? so?

are u saying i shouldnt bother because i aint american?

if you are, get ur head out your butt!