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Title: Picture Of The Jt8d In Loose Change
Description: Need a copy if anyone has it...


johndoeX - June 14, 2006 04:40 PM (GMT)
There is a picure of a JT8D fan section in Loose Change when discussing the compressor disk found at the pentagon... The JT8D picture in Loose Change had flat green color fan blades... and it looks like it had some damage...

If anyone can forward that picture.. it would be of great help...

Thanks..

Russell Pickering - June 14, 2006 05:14 PM (GMT)
johndoeX,

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Russell

johndoeX - June 14, 2006 06:35 PM (GMT)
You da man Russell... thank you..

You wouldnt happen to have a side view of that full section? The picture of the compressor disk found at the pentagon shows that slotted disk only (surrounding the hub).. meaning the fan blades were ripped off. Then behind it, it has a turbine compressor disk (which we all see as a disk). I know turbofans pretty well (generally speaking)... and just wondering if the JT8D has an intermediate compressor section directly behind the turbofan (or first stage compressor) that would be consistent with the disk found at the pentagon
. A side view would clear this up... or if an independent group could get its hands on the disk itself

Thanks again...

Russell Pickering - June 14, 2006 07:33 PM (GMT)
johndoeX,

I started with those very photos in December of 2004 with Karl emailing and researching the A3. I put WAY too much time into it. There is NO way to match what is at the Pentagon with that rotor. Also the new replacement ones look nothing like the originals. For instance, due to an FAA directive they added the tie-rod holes because of an MD80 or 88 crash etc.

Even though they are in support of the official story here is a good article on this subject: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

Here is my page on it: http://www.pentagonresearch.com/079.html

Also, so a Google IMAGE search of rb211, rb-211 and jt8d and you will find some variations of what you may be looking for.

Russell

johndoeX - June 14, 2006 08:07 PM (GMT)
I've read the aerospace web "theory".

Everythnig on that page is estimation and approximation. Therefore it means nothing to me...

Every air disaster matches up parts with the airframe serial number. Aircraft have maintainence (mx) logs for this purpose. The logs show every directive, every service bulletin... and every part swapped out due to AD's. Just because engines are modified since original from the factory (most engines are.. aviation is a trial and error industry).. its still documented in the MX logs and must be looked into. The govt can easily match these parts to squash anyone who thinks it was other than a 757. But they dont offer anything but speculations, theory and stone walls.

The NTSB is in charge of investigation into any air disaster... even if it has criminal implications... (edit: let me clarify... they will hand over power to the FBI in criminal cases, but they still conduct the investigation.. since they are aviation experts. In the case of Sept 11, they had their hands tied)

Here are some of the major investigations...

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/major.asp

You will notice in depth analysis of every disaster.. except Sept 11.

NTSB report for AA77 (Pentagon)
The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The Safety Board did not determine the probable cause and does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=2...123X00105&key=1

NTSB Report for UAL 175 (South Tower)

The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI. The Safety Board does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket.


The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:

The Safety Board did not determine the probable cause and does not plan to issue a report or open a public docket. The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 are under the jurisdiction of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The Safety Board provided requested technical assistance to the FBI, and any material generated by the NTSB is under the control of the FBI.

And the same report for AA11 and UAL 93 (conserving space)


I havent looked at every NTSB investigation and report (there are literally thousands)... but i think this is unprecedented.

Russell Pickering - June 14, 2006 08:26 PM (GMT)
johndoeX,

I was a crew chief on the C-130 and 141 for 5 1/2 years. I don't miss maintaining records. lol

The FBI invoked Presidential Decision Directive 39 (post OKC) and that is how they eliminated the NTSB in this case.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/pdd39.htm

The Pentagon and its surrounding grounds were immediately rendered a Federal crime scene, the exclusive domain of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) under the terms of Presidential Decision Directive (PDD)-39."
(Arlington County After-Action report)

This page might be of interest to you: http://www.pentagonresearch.com/evidence.html

If you really want to see something funny look at the FBI's crash report on Flight 77 here: http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm

That aerospaceweb.org page is weak in that respect but it is the only overall treatment I have found. Unless we have the serial numbers and maintenance records I am afraid you are right - it will all be guess work. I am going to make AA my contact project for next week. I am going to try and find out what is in the public domain to see if I can get N644AA flights for the previous days or whatever and then determine what they can't give out to make a list of FOIA's.

Russell


johndoeX - June 14, 2006 08:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Russell Pickering @ Jun 14 2006, 08:26 PM)




If you really want to see something funny look at the FBI's crash report on Flight 77 here: http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/aa77/77.htm


lol.. thats a freakin joke. People should be outraged... (an understatement... athough... more people are waking up)


Here is a PR of the hijackers...

It should be noted that attempts to confirm the true identities of these individuals are still under way. The FBI asks anyone who has ever seen or has information about these individuals to immediately contact the nearest FBI office or the toll free hotline number 1-866-483-5137 or submit information at WWW.IFCCFBI.GOV. The photographs can be viewed at WWW.FBI.GOV.

Note the date...
Press Release
For Immediate Release
September 27, 2001


I think this is the last report we heard from the FBI regarding the hijackers identity.... aside from the BBC article.. etc.


edit: i also edited my above post before i read yours to reflect what happens in criminal investigations. Sorry for the confusion.

Its also good to know you were a crew chief... i dont have to explain MX logs...lol

Russell Pickering - June 14, 2006 08:48 PM (GMT)
johndoeX,

They don't have to wonder, they claim to have the remains of the five from 77. They have never attempted to positively identify them. They got antecedent samples from the families since they had to use mitochondrial DNA analysis.

If they have the names and photos of the hijackers they should locate their families take a sample and compare it to the remains they claim to have. But they won't. They don't want to solve it.

This page goes into some detail about this and the autopsies. It is amazing that they can even get away with this. Here is one of the quotes.

"The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site."

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/093.html

Russell

johndoeX - June 14, 2006 09:15 PM (GMT)
Hats off to you Russell....

You definitely do your homework...

You think there is any way an independent group can get their hands on aircraft parts found at the pentagon? And/or perhaps AA77 MX logs? (or all the Sept 11 aircraft MX logs for that matter... a whole engine was found in NYC)...lol


Im not sure why people cling to the A-3 theory... lots of holes in it...

Believe it or not... the person that gave me the idea to investigate a JT8D engine.. was.. Gravy... in his LC Guide...lol


You have definitely done your homework.. and you dont think its a JT8D or an RB211...

Im curious to know why you dont think its a Jt8D?... just because the engine could have been modified?

I cant specifically and factually say what engine its from... but the JT8D definitely needs to be ruled out... and the only way to do that is to examine the disk itself. The CFM56 also needs to be ruled out. Then again, who knows what disk they will produce for examination under FOIA... its been 5 years...lol.




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