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Title: Why No Positive Id For Alive Claims ?


Logic - June 13, 2006 04:50 AM (GMT)
I've asked this in another thread, but I wanted to start a new one focusing on this particular issue.

Why, if some of the people claimed to be the terrorists are still alive, haven't they come forward in a more mainstream way ? Shouldn't this be a huge deal in finding the truth and shouldn't video footage proving this very point, be an obvious step ? I'm confused as to what you all think has actually happened with these mistaken identities or alive claims.

If it's mistaken identities or stolen, shouldn't getting these people on video or interviews, be a huge step for 911 truth people to seek out ? Has anyone actually tried to contact them ,besides the older articles that have been linked ?

As you can see, I really want to believe this, but I don't see the evidence backing these claims up. Am I looking at this the wrong way and if so, can you please tell me what the general consensous is ?

Thanks, lots of questions by me, but I think this could be a huge part in uncovering the truth.

chucksheen - June 13, 2006 06:54 AM (GMT)
There is an excellent hijackers thread, I suggest you look there. If it were me, I wouldn't allow the alleged perpetrators to expose themselves in public. I have seen evidence that some of the hijackers have made public statements and launched law suites but I have no source as of yet.

Thanks for joining and to help you in your truthseeking:

http://www.WKJO.com

http://www.UniversalSeed.org

[salute]

Merc - June 13, 2006 12:57 PM (GMT)
They have come forward. Just not on mainstream American TV.

There is a possibility that the whole 'hijacker alive' thing is just a rouse by the perps to throw everyone off their tracks, while pulling the old trick of building up a suspicion then easily dispelling it in a strawman type effect. More or less reinforcing the idea of hijackers in the first place, when there is only proof of 6 on video. And that is very shady.

or they are sloppy.

There is still a lot of ambiguity and confusion regarding the hijackers being alive.

But no, really, that is not them. They are not "alive".

GuilelessGuy - June 13, 2006 06:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Logic @ Jun 13 2006, 04:50 AM)
I've asked this in another thread, but I wanted to start a new one focusing on this particular issue.

Why, if some of the people claimed to be the terrorists are still alive, haven't they come forward in a more mainstream way ? Shouldn't this be a huge deal in finding the truth and shouldn't video footage proving this very point, be an obvious step ? I'm confused as to what you all think has actually happened with these mistaken identities or alive claims.

If it's mistaken identities or stolen, shouldn't getting these people on video or interviews, be a huge step for  911 truth people to seek out ? Has anyone actually tried to contact them ,besides the older articles that have been linked ?

As you can see, I really want to believe this, but I don't see the evidence backing these claims up.  Am I looking at this the wrong way and if so, can you please tell me what the general consensous is ?

Thanks, lots of questions by me, but I think this could be a huge part in uncovering the truth.

Give me a few days. I will give you a probable response. ;)

Roxdog - June 13, 2006 07:06 PM (GMT)
I'm with Logic on this. I can't take this seriously until I see one of these guys go public.

Logic - June 13, 2006 09:15 PM (GMT)
Thanks for the welcome guys. I've been over at the letsroll911 forum for a bit now under the same name, if you want to check my older posts there, to see what I'm all about. Sometimes I tell this, because in this community, it's easy for others to be labeled dis-info specialists, ect and I wanted to let you all know I'm not here to do that. =)

I however do ask questions that may not be favorable to some, as some of the theories about what happened, seem too far fetched to believe at times, yet I still at the end of the day, feel there was some major cover up along the way or from the begining. Anyway, just wanted to let you all know I really appreciate all your hard work and endless hours researching this stuff. I try to do my part and I'll contribute to this forum in a helpful way as much as I can. Most info seems to already have been gone over, but from time to time there seems to be breakthroughs, which is what we really need at the moment.

Anyway, thanks again and looking forward to talking with you all soon. I'll do some research on the terrorist claims and see what I come up with myself. It's very confusing to me as I still see a name or two that do NOT add up, but where they go I still don't know.

Logic

Wingmaster05 - June 15, 2006 06:42 AM (GMT)
Well i would imagine if you were going to stage a terrorist attack you wouldn't just "pick" 19 living people randomly and just hope they don't divulge your dirty little secret. If you did in fact go with that plan, you better assassinate almost all of them, in private, so as no one is the wiser. Clearly not the easiest way to go about it.

Either the alleged highjackers work with the CIA and now live outsitde public scrutiny in a remote location (not too likely). That, or the gov't picked players who fit the mold through paper trails of a terrorist. Follow some arab's at flight school's or chemical plants and frame them.


This is a good question, as nothing really adds up if some of the named "highjackers" did come out and acknowledge that they were in fact still alive. They wouldn't step up if they worked for our govt, and is the govt stupid enough to frame 20 random people? we'll find out.

Terrorcell - June 15, 2006 03:47 PM (GMT)
What Really Happened has all the info including the Mainstream Press Articles and for those that are no longer active just copy the url's and go to www.webarchive.org

zapzarap - June 15, 2006 08:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Terrorcell @ Jun 15 2006, 05:47 PM)
What Really Happened has all the info including the Mainstream Press Articles and for those that are no longer active just copy the url's and go to www.webarchive.org

Hi TC
Interesting link - I ended up with Atta Sr. and who are the real terrorists from his point of view

QUOTE

"Mossad and Israel are who benefits the most from this.... They want to try to hang this on the Arab world," Atta told the Cairo Times in a 19 September interview. "When America learns that Mossad did it, they won't be able to say anything."

But his affection did not extend to the American government. Asked if he had a message for the American people, Atta said, "Elect someone different than these oil millionares who want to control the Arab world. Dick Cheney is a billionare from oil. Bush, his family has been in oil for generations...


I'm sure, the old lawyer perfectly knows, what he's talking about!

rgds
z.

Logic - June 16, 2006 03:41 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the link to "whatreallyhappened" but I've read that before and that's mainly how I actually got my questions to stir up once again.

I agree with the poster above mine that states "would they actually have people still alive as the culprits ? " To me, I say no way, I don't see how, UNLESS they do in fact work for someone else (remained un-named at the moment). What does confuse me though, is that Muller said the confirmation of the names and persons' in question are still that "in question". This just makes no sense to me, thus the continuing questions of who did it.

Again, if they are alive and just common folk, why don't they come forward here and now and on video? Names in this part of the world are very simular, so mixing up names isn't a suprize to me one bit, there for I can see how this is a possibility.


With all the info on"whatreallyhappened" and the statements that there are still some alive and have come forward, I haven't been able to gather if it was just a mix up of names or were their actual photos mixed up too ?

Terrorcell - June 16, 2006 09:10 PM (GMT)
The Mossad planted the evidence.

You don't find it odd that hijackers were reading flight instruction manuals in the car on the way to the airport?

Or that passports survive fires that destroy black boxes?

The evidence was planted all over the place so the FBI could find it and blame the "right" people.


Remember the news footage of Palestinians handing out candy (which later was proven to be old stock footage) and that Palestinians were shown celebrating the attacks all over tv the days following?

And what did the Mossad say when they were arrested celebrating the attacks?

We are not your enemies. Your enemies are the same as ours. The Palestinians.

broodlinger - July 6, 2006 10:37 AM (GMT)
Theres a clip in "loose change final cut" that shows FBI director Robert Muller admitting at least one of the hijackers may still be alive. Not dated but appears to be shortly after 9/11.

jonahlomu - July 10, 2006 09:40 PM (GMT)
I was too looking for hints regarding the whereabout of these people. What,if they never existed? what if the photos are computermade, like when you mix faces etc.

maybe it would be worthwhile to look for the families first. Does anybody know if the families of those 19 ever appeared on tv? like have they ever be questioned?

of course you will never find people, if they never existed, right?

the hanji guy, who supposedly flew flight 77.... maybe that was some sort of preplanted thing..

oh, I'm getting into theories again.

so, families... any ideas or links?

Logic - July 12, 2006 12:27 AM (GMT)
Great idea about the family's past interviews, ect (if there are any). As someone has stated before, there is recorded data on Atta's father, so we know he was a real person. I'll start in this area you suggested and see what happenes. I'll post here as I find. (if I find)


jonahlomu - July 12, 2006 04:54 PM (GMT)
I'm sorry, if this is an old question, but i can't remember that info:

by what means were the hijackers identified? (I hope not the most stupid question) the reason is: they are not mentioned on the passenger-lists given out by the airline-companies? or were they on the lists and those lists mentioned in the film are different lists (like all passengers but minus the terrorists)????

otherwise it would be like: "oh, the WTC is burning... oh, whats that... a passport... that must belong to one of the terrorists who flew the plane..." or similar!

and regarding attas father: the best disinformation-stories are those, where 10 % is true.

if atta was on one of the planes (on which by the way) he should have been on the passenger-list. I know there were videos of the airport-cameras shown on TV. there it was claimed, that the person there was atta (if i remember correctly).


8bitagent - July 20, 2006 05:08 AM (GMT)
I think the "hijackers are alive" story is total bunk. I think the hijackers were merely compartementalized patsies, hired goons brainwashed into thinking they were dying for Allah, all being orchestrated by Pakistani ISI who themselves were funded by covert US ops...also Able Danger, the true origin of Atta, etc plays into all this.

John Doe II - September 8, 2006 07:04 AM (GMT)
I really don't think it is of any help for the movement to claim the hijackers are still alive (even if it's a very catchy phrase). On the contrary. It gives one huge advantage in the discussion away (to point the finger to the fact that the official side doesn't want to prove their claims) and leaves us with the impossibility to prove.
What I mean is some people will simply answer you: Then why don't you interview Atta and the whole thing is solved? As you don't and Atta has never come forward your "hijackers are still alive is nonesense"!

And they are right cause these are not the facts.
What the facts are:
7 people with the same identity are still alive on 9/11.
Therefore (if they really were alleged hijackers) it is very likely stolen identities were used.
This was admitted by the FBI.
But still the FBI didn't change their list. Even on the January 2002 list they use "probably" and "perhaps" describing every single alleged hijacker.
And here comes the important key:
Why does the FBI not bother to figure out the real identities of the alleged hijackers?
Why does the FBI not care to identify them positively?

These things we can prove and it leaves the official side in the shit.
If we claim that hijackers are still alive we loose the discussion.

johnnyoi - September 8, 2006 04:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Logic @ Jun 13 2006, 12:50 AM)
I've asked this in another thread, but I wanted to start a new one focusing on this particular issue.

Why, if some of the people claimed to be the terrorists are still alive, haven't they come forward in a more mainstream way ? Shouldn't this be a huge deal in finding the truth and shouldn't video footage proving this very point, be an obvious step ? I'm confused as to what you all think has actually happened with these mistaken identities or alive claims.

If it's mistaken identities or stolen, shouldn't getting these people on video or interviews, be a huge step for 911 truth people to seek out ? Has anyone actually tried to contact them ,besides the older articles that have been linked ?

As you can see, I really want to believe this, but I don't see the evidence backing these claims up. Am I looking at this the wrong way and if so, can you please tell me what the general consensous is ?

Thanks, lots of questions by me, but I think this could be a huge part in uncovering the truth.

If a foreign government, in this case the world's biggest super-power, says you're invloved in a terrorist attack, would you go on the media denying it?

These people have families, careers... I think they're just trying not to be found by the U.S.

beached - September 9, 2006 10:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
Why does the FBI not bother to figure out the real identities of the alleged hijackers?
Why does the FBI not care to identify them positively?


I think these two questions are more significant than the claim that any hijackers may still be alive. By addressing the fact that the FBI has only made a half assed job, if any, to identify these people, it's just another example of how the investigation appears to have been largely staged. The claim that they are “alive and well” is intriguing nonetheless, however, without any of these people coming forward; confirming they are indeed the people in the pictures released, it will be hard to prove.

masster - October 11, 2006 09:27 PM (GMT)
what bothers me is that in "Loose Change 2" there is a passage presenting the 19 alleged hijackers present situation (country/city they live in, jobs... yes :) some have decent jobs too) but there is no proof whatsoever for that. ok, I liked the special effects Dylan used for highlighting and rotating in 3D their portraits, but I would prefer instead a shred of evidence for those allegations. Like for instance having Chris find one of them and interview (that is if he can document anything outside US). That would be a highly skilled journalism bomb...

don't get me wrong, I support LC2 and my posts in this forum clearly show how angry I am about that gang of frauds that enslaved US people. but I tend to be very careful when it comes to spreading undocumented news.




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