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Title: My Observations Loose Change 2 Video


drak - May 18, 2006 11:24 PM (GMT)
Hello. Let me first introduce myself. I am an avid enemy of conspiracy theory. Anytime I hear "the government is ..." the walls go up .. I dont want to hear it. Most of these people are paranoids and misled naives.

HOWEVER... I started into the loose change 2 video with my usual skepticism, prepared to take pot shots at yet another paranoid delusion - but in the end, I found myself gripped by the vast number of discrepancies, and aparrent mistruths. I found the entire thing quite consuming, and have spend the last 36 hours looking for [supporting/debunking] relevant information.

First off, argue if you will, but the cruise missile idea is way off base. Its simple math. a 2' diameter missile is not going to make a 16' or 6' (6' was a typo?) pentration hole. The holes in the walls of the pentagon are far too uniform to be blast created, they are definately penetration holes,.. but it wasnt a missile. I doubt even the MX missile is that big, and according to the specs for the cruise missile, it is just over 2' in diameter. As for the rest of the pentagon issue, I agree. I would especially like them to explain what could have happened to two 6 ton engine casings.

On to flight 93. Your site has a link to a news article stating that 93 had landed safely and was evacuated. Of course, Id love to read that, so I had a look, and to my dismay it had been removed. With a small prodding at the waybackmachine, I came up with this: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://http:/...al/story14.html

According to the way back machine, that article remained on their news site until oct 10, 2004 - three years and one month later. Now it has been removed with a note "factually incorrect". Somehow, they are going to have a hard time convincing me, that a TV News station is going to leave incorrect reporting, intact, and unedited for over 3 years on their website, before finally deciding to remove it, if in fact, it WAS just simply "factually incorrect".

And a question .. has anyone actually found any other source, than the FBI site, to show that bin laden in fact IS left handed?

Matrix91101 - May 18, 2006 11:32 PM (GMT)
I appreciate your honesty and wanting to look into more things, it is great when people actually can get past the "no the gov wouldnt do this" and look at the evidence so I applaud you for this,
I am sorry I dont have an answer to your question some say that it is a I am new to the "truth movement" only 2 months and am still learning things, I stick to two most important things, where is the plane in all the pictures of flight 93 taken in Shanskville ? and WTC7 how oh how? Have fun researching you will learn that your world view is now going to be completely different....

blk182@n7 - September 28, 2006 11:16 PM (GMT)
First the only thing I really had issue was the part about a B-52 hitting the Empire state building. It was a B-25 in 28, 1945 some 10 years before the B-52 first flew. (http://www.withthecommand.com/2002-Jan/NY-empireplane.html ), The B-52A first flew in 1954, and the B model entered service in 1955. A total of 744 B-52s were built with the last, a B-52H, delivered in October 1962. Only the H model is still in the Air Force inventory and is assigned to Air Combat Command and the Air Force Reserves. (this issues was addresed on the website)

The first of 102 B-52H's was delivered to Strategic Air Command in May 1961. The H model can carry up to 20 air launched cruise missiles. In addition, it can carry the conventional cruise missile that was launched in several contingencies during the 1990s, starting with Operation Desert Storm and culminating with Operation Allied Force.

General Characteristics
Primary Function: Heavy bomber
Contractor: Boeing Military Airplane Co.
Power plant: Eight Pratt & Whitney engines TF33-P-3/103 turbofan
Thrust: Each engine up to 17,000 pounds
Length: 159 feet, 4 inches (48.5 meters)
Height: 40 feet, 8 inches (12.4 meters)
Wingspan: 185 feet (56.4 meters
Speed: 650 miles per hour (Mach 0.86)
Ceiling: 50,000 feet (15,151.5 meters
Weight: Approximately 185,000 pounds empty (83,250 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 488,000 pounds (219,600 kilograms
Range: Unrefueled 8,800 miles (7,652 nautical miles)
Armament: Approximately 70,000 pounds (31,500 kilograms) mixed ordnance -- bombs, mines and missiles. (Modified to carry air-launched cruise missiles)
Crew: Five (aircraft commander, pilot, radar navigator, navigator and electronic warfare officer
Accommodations: Six ejection seats
Unit Cost: $53.4 million (fiscal 98 constant dollars)
Date Deployed: February 1955
Inventory: Active force, 85; ANG, 0; Reserve, 9

While I would agree that it may not have been a cruise missile that hit the pentagon but a AGM-86C Conventional Air Launched Cruise Missile could have easly made the hole, it was not a Boeing 757.

But you can’t say that is was not a Cruise Missile based solely on the fact that they are 2” in diameter. It’s the warhead that does the damage. A 2x2 block of c4 will make the same hole.

Check this link http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-86c.htm

This would explain the small plain people saw and the small engine and C-130 that was reported in the sky (although I am not sure this could be launched from a C-130. Take note to the contractor.

Primary Function: Air-to-ground strategic cruise missile
Contractor: Boeing Defense & Space GroupAerojet - CALCM warhead
Guidance Contractors: Litton Guidance & Control, Rockwell Collins Avionics, and Interstate Electronics Corp.
Power Plant: Williams International Corp. F-107-WR-101 turbofan engine
Thrust: 600 pounds
Length: 20 feet, 9 inches
Weight: 3,250 pounds
Diameter: 24.5 inches
Wingspan: 12 feet
Range: Nominal: 600nm Specific: Classified
Speed: Nominal: High Subsonic Specific: Classified
Guidance System: Litton Inertial Navigation Element integrated with an onboard Global Positioning System
VARIANTS
AGM-86CBlock 0 AGM-86CBlock I AGM-86CBlock IA AGM-86DBlock II
Warhead: 1,500-lb AFX-760Blast Fragmentation Warhead 3,000-lb PBXN-111Blast Fragmentation Warhead Penetrating Warhead
Initial Operational Capability:
Jun 1986 Jul 1996 Jul 2000 mid-2002
Full Operational Capability:
Jun 1993 Nov 1999 2001 2003
Total Production:
105 295 163 130 - 195
Deliveries [as of 15 Apr 99]
105 200 0 0
Combat Expenditure:
39 + 13 + 50 40 + 60
Current Inventory:
? 0 ~100 0 0
Unit Cost: $ 150,000 conversion cost$ 600,000 contract price per unit$1,500,000 [$FY90, based on GAO Desert Storm estimate]$1,875,000 [$FY99, based on GAO Desert Storm estimate]




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