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Chippy - October 5, 2006 03:47 PM (GMT)
Some have argued that the planes that crashed into the WTC and maybe the Pentagon were dummy planes with nobody on board. Of course, something had to be done about the supposed passengers of these flights, and some have argued that they were most likely eliminated and the passenger-less flights were flown into the buildings. But think about this: if the passengers would die either way, why wouldn't you let them collide into the building and let them leave behind their evidence? This would support the theory that the government is proposing: that the planes were hijacked and these passengers were on board when it happened.

To argue that these passengers are all alive and well and in hiding somewhere is, in my opinion, completely disrespectful and ridiculous. It's especially disrespectful to the passengers of Flight 93. If you believe that they are all alive and well, then you believe that instead of them courageously sacrificing their lives to stop Flight 93 from hitting the U.S. Capitol, killing hundreds more people, they are actually hiding like cowards, probably paid off by the government to keep quiet and live their lives in some secluded location. You have to believe that not one of these 200 or so passengers is willing to come out of seclusion and spoil his secret, making him a hero to the entire country and doing who knows what to his personal reputation for single-handedly proving everything you guys have been fighting to prove! Think of the book deals, the movie deals, the money they could make out of coming out of hiding! What is the government offering them that they can't get on their own in this situation??? And never mind the fact that pictures of these passengers are pretty common, and it's not like they would never be recognized by anyone.

So what do you think? And if I may make a request, please do not respond to what I wrote with "yeah, but" statements. Focus on the subject at hand; do not distract with other unrelated conspiracy theories that do not tie in with this topic.

Daniels - October 6, 2006 02:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chippy @ Oct 5 2006, 11:47 PM)


But think about this: if the passengers would die either way, why wouldn't you let them collide into the building and let them leave behind their evidence? 



1. Commercial planes can't pull high G maneauvers because of their resistance controls which provide ever increasing resistance as the speed and harshness of the maneauver increases.

Therefore the planes would have to have been substituted with specially prepared planes.

2. Also, if the authorities are framing up 19 Arab patsies, who can't fly, they are not going to be able to convince them, even under threat of death, to fly some planes into any buildings.

Logic Chippy

Chippy - October 7, 2006 12:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Daniels @ Oct 6 2006, 02:26 PM)
QUOTE (Chippy @ Oct 5 2006, 11:47 PM)


But think about this: if the passengers would die either way, why wouldn't you let them collide into the building and let them leave behind their evidence? 



1. Commercial planes can't pull high G maneauvers because of their resistance controls which provide ever increasing resistance as the speed and harshness of the maneauver increases.

Therefore the planes would have to have been substituted with specially prepared planes.

2. Also, if the authorities are framing up 19 Arab patsies, who can't fly, they are not going to be able to convince them, even under threat of death, to fly some planes into any buildings.

Logic Chippy (thought I'd make a little modification of my own)

Logic is useful when the facts are solidified, but unfortunately, commercial planes CAN execute the kind of turns that Flight 77 made on 9/11.

[mod edit: spam]

That's not even a biased source! It does raise questions about Hanjour, of course, but again, like I said in my original post, I don't want to bring in unrelated topics to this topic, which it appears you have already done.

Back to my original question: why would the passengers be executed outside of the plane when leaving them in the plane would have provided solid evidence that the plane was hijacked? You think that the government can't find anybody who would sacrifice their lives in the name of Islam? Considering that people in the Middle East are lighting themselves up on a daily basis, I have to say that's a pretty dubious claim.

And if the government can pull off all the stuff that you claim the government pulled off on 9/11, I contend that they would have no problem convincing people to commit terrorist acts on their soil.

I imagine you'll want to add commentary to my post rather than writing another post of your own, so I'll leave you some room to say what you have to say:

[mod edit: thank you]

Daniels - October 7, 2006 06:15 AM (GMT)
Whichever way you want to spin it Chippy...

We have over 200 smoking guns. You care to spin all 200 of them? Go ahead. I'd really like to see that!



And i've already seen the modus operandi of the trolling perps. Those sites that pretend to provide a balanced commentary on Loose Change are so full of hogwash it takes only a moment's reflection to see what they are up to.

Come on Chippy. Just between you and me. You do know that 9/11 was an inside job. I can tell from your posts that you are of a reasonable intelligence level. The only reason for an intelligent person to deny the truth of 9/11 is emotional insecurity (apart from those who are paid by the perps to troll of course).

Would you like a glimpse into the future Chippy? This is what awaits the perps and the trolls:


"It is clear and evident that all men shall, after their physical death,
estimate the worth of their deeds, and realize all that their hands
have wrought. I swear by the Day Star that shineth above the
horizon of Divine power! They that are the followers of the one
true God shall, the moment they depart out of this life,
experience such joy and gladness as would be impossible to describe,
while they that live in error shall be seized with such fear and trembling,
and shall be filled with such consternation, as nothing can exceed."


I am sooo glad that you are wiser than that.




Chippy - October 7, 2006 06:26 AM (GMT)
Why did you delete my source? It's not spam. A lot of that website actually provides evidence on behalf of the conspiracy theory.

And I don't see how emotional insecurity comes into play here. When I introduced myself to you people on this forum, I respectfully stated that I am not in agreement with everyone here but that I would try my best to be civil and polite, and perhaps we could get along with one another. In response to this, half the comments I got were abusive and unnecessarily rude, including one guy who told me to "save my shit" for elsewhere, even though I had not even offered so much as an iota of my opinions on the conspiracy at that point. I would consider needless rudeness in reaction to a civil, level-headed introduction to be what you call "emotional insecurity".

And having been a faithful christian since I was a little boy, I can say with a very great degree of confidence that one's opinions on the matter of the 9/11 conspiracy theory will have absolutely no bearing on your judgement upon death.

Please leave my personal life and personal opinions out of this discussion.

Daniels - October 7, 2006 06:56 AM (GMT)

Our rudeness is a result of being under almost constant attack by those who would discredit the Truth of 9/11. These people fall into several broad categories including;
the emotionally insecure. It has been said that to embrace the Truth of 9/11, with all its violations of trust by officialdom, is akin to being told that your father molested you as a very small child. It is easy to see that many people would deny any truth that presented such a high emotional hurdle to jump. Those people would then associate truthers with the pain of having been violated by the authorities, and that IS painful. Believe me; that's why I am a truther.

the paid troll.
The perps are in this up to their necks. They have committed mass murder and violated as sorts of rules, laws and morals both in the acts themselves and in their suppression of it. Paying people to guard the internet and disrupt forums is the very least of what they will do to run from justice.

the twit troll. Many people like to "bash" others for fun -- Christian bashing (both verbally and physically), Muslim bashing, beating blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Truthers are just another group who these maladjusted people, often with too much testosterone, can attack and not be condemned by their peers.

With the constant cycling of spurious questions, scripted responses and implying shallowness to our research, truthers do become tired and irritable. It makes for great screen captures for those opposed to us to mock us yet further. We do try to avoid it but it is understandable when it gets through.

Being of a Christian background you may be aware that over the thousands of years your spiritual brethren have been the object of many such calumnies and assaults. Do you not sympathize a little with those Christians of sound faith who, wearied by the constant goading of their opponents, lashed out at them?

The perps are greedy cowards. I have no respect for them. It follows that I would have little respect for their minions, the trolls who try to disrupt the dissemination of 9/11 Truth.

antipodean - October 7, 2006 07:23 AM (GMT)
Chippy, the arguements for or against it being more convenient for killing the passengers whilst on board the planes is utterly irrelevant, because one of the main drivers of the 9/11 truth movement, is that out of 4 crash sites there have been found NO HUMAN REMAINS of those people supposedly on board the planes.

Chippy - October 9, 2006 04:09 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (antipodean @ Oct 7 2006, 07:23 AM)
Chippy, the arguements for or against it being more convenient for killing the passengers whilst on board the planes is utterly irrelevant, because one of the main drivers of the 9/11 truth movement, is that out of 4 crash sites there have been found NO HUMAN REMAINS of those people supposedly on board the planes.

Why is it completely irrelevant? My entire point is that it would have made a hell of a lot more sense if they had left some sort of human remains on these planes. These people who were supposedly on these planes are DEAD. And if they died outside of the plane crash, why not put them in the plane and let their remains be found in the ensuing crash? So maybe they all got shot in the head...cut off the part of their head where they got shot. Odds are their bodies will be damaged beyond ordinary recognition anyway.

Chippy - October 9, 2006 04:11 PM (GMT)
And no, I don't sympathize with Christians who lash out at the people who oppose them because that defies the very definition of Christianity. In this case, you're setting your mind on worldly things, Daniels, not on other-worldly things. It's human nature to say "hey, if someone yells at you, you have a right to get them back, right?" However, that is not at all what the bible is suggesting, and having such behaviors will prevent you from ever reaching heaven.

antipodean - October 11, 2006 04:33 AM (GMT)
Chippy, the whole exercise of 9/11 was pretty complex as it was, by killing a few passengers then throwing the corpses on board the drones would have been another logistical hurdle to overcome.
One of the success's of 9/11 were that the perpetrators could distantly cowardly avoid human contact with the victims.

In effect you have put up a straw man arguement by stating that all Bush, the Neo cons, Mossad or who ever, had to do was make sure there were a few human remains of the passengers around, and they would have been sweet, so as this simple task was not carried out the whole 9/11 truth movement lack's credibility.

The whole 9/11 scenario had to be seen as being the so called 'hallmark of al-quaeda', which is maximising loss of human life.
At the same time the Neo cons would have wanted to limit loss of human life, because of less compensation fund payouts, less investigative diggings from grieving relatives etc.
This they achieved by minnimising loss of lives aboard the planes, (check out the other passenger threads) 150 odd deaths at the Pentagon, but where they f*cked up big time was the pulling of the twin towers (+WTC7).
By not accounting for the brave firemen soon entering the towers to help save survivors, & slowing down the whole evacuation process.
The buildings had to be pulled within a feasble time frame of being hit by the drones.

If the whole exercise had gone exactly to plan the whole 9/11 death toll may have been in the 100s not thousands.

HawksCAFE - October 13, 2006 04:22 AM (GMT)
The passengers were all eliminated by flying them remotely into buildings with modified Boeings using the AFTERPS system per this ..
user posted image

The company that makes this software is controlled by the Carlyle Canada private equity group which has real time access to the SABRE flight reservation system and also uses MindBox software to recalculate and rebalance loan, mortgage and insurance policies in under 15 seconds.
user posted image

QUOTE
MindBox ARTEnterprise, MindBox MindBox's proven ARTEnterprise Product Suite automates key decision steps in the mortgage lending process using patented rules-based decisioning technology. It offers loan brokers and agents a way to enter loan submission data online, then receive back instantaneous loan product selection, deal structuring suggestions and underwriting approvals -- complete with conditions, debt reparation stipulations and detailed pricing. MindBox Power Editor is a multi-level editing application that allows ordinary business users to define, modify or update the rules in the system.


As soon as the planes were on their final approach corridors - 3 minutes to target - and virtual war room commanders knew the passengers were going to die Carlyle private equity partners recalulated the life insurance and made a killing.

antipodean - October 13, 2006 09:40 AM (GMT)
I just can't buy that because the planes couldn't have taken off with passengers aboard, without any cabin crew answerable to on board pilots, who in turn would have noticed any pre set controls, and would have also attempted to over-ride them. Then you have to multiply this by 2.
Plus no identifiable wreckage of the Boeings found at ground zero as well as any human remains of those aboard the planes.

Ghaleon - October 13, 2006 09:45 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Chippy @ Oct 5 2006, 03:47 PM)
Some have argued that the planes that crashed into the WTC and maybe the Pentagon were dummy planes with nobody on board.  Of course, something had to be done about the supposed passengers of these flights, and some have argued that they were most likely eliminated and the passenger-less flights were flown into the buildings.  But think about this: if the passengers would die either way, why wouldn't you let them collide into the building and let them leave behind their evidence?  This would support the theory that the government is proposing: that the planes were hijacked and these passengers were on board when it happened.

To argue that these passengers are all alive and well and in hiding somewhere is, in my opinion, completely disrespectful and ridiculous.  It's especially disrespectful to the passengers of Flight 93.  If you believe that they are all alive and well, then you believe that instead of them courageously sacrificing their lives to stop Flight 93 from hitting the U.S. Capitol, killing hundreds more people, they are actually hiding like cowards, probably paid off by the government to keep quiet and live their lives in some secluded location.  You have to believe that not one of these 200 or so passengers is willing to come out of seclusion and spoil his secret, making him a hero to the entire country and doing who knows what to his personal reputation for single-handedly proving everything you guys have been fighting to prove!  Think of the book deals, the movie deals, the money they could make out of coming out of hiding!  What is the government offering them that they can't get on their own in this situation???  And never mind the fact that pictures of these passengers are pretty common, and it's not like they would never be recognized by anyone.

So what do you think?  And if I may make a request, please do not respond to what I wrote with "yeah, but" statements.  Focus on the subject at hand; do not distract with other unrelated conspiracy theories that do not tie in with this topic.

I 100% agree with your post. It is an insult to the passangers and their families. However, not many seem to care. Im not so sure all the passangers from all 4 flights want to segregate themselves for life from their friends and families all for a coverup. :rolleyes:

I also find it funny someone mentioned no remains. Yet everyone from flight 93 was identified. Interesting. Also pieces of Boeing planes were found in NYC. If you care too look, you will find them.

antipodean - October 13, 2006 10:01 AM (GMT)
Just because some truth seekers are skeptical about the passengers actually being on board the crashed drones, doesn't mean the passengers are alive and well somewhere. What it means is that those people who actually existed and were supposedly aboard the planes, ( & there are major discrepencies regarding the lists) were killed somewhere else. But were not killed at the moment of impact at the crash sites.

Ghaleon - October 13, 2006 10:05 AM (GMT)
I dont understand the logic here.

I know I havent been here long and seen all the posts, but is taking all the passangers somewhere and executing them a theory?? If so please tell me so I stop looking stupid.

[mod edit: for someone who hasn't been here long and done zero reading, you sure have made a lot of posts. I call that spamming. I'm glad you are on moderator preview. At least it will cut down on some of the spam]




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