http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Trut...hp?showtopic=98

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Engine heat seal from an RB211

Here is one persuasive, if not convincing analysis of the same evidence with the conclusion that it is an RB211

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

lol.. you mean the site where they use a human in the picture as a tape measure?

[laughing]
Everything is an "estimate" or "hypothesis" surrounding official govt theory. Perhaps thats good enough for you.. but not for me.

I think JDX made a point here... There's definitly not a slotted disk on the RB211 pic.

For the engine heat seal of paramenides... don't look to fit as the photo at the pentagon.

But , i'm just asking here , doesn't that piece fit better ? :



just asking...

On the other hand...

I've look carefully at the " combustor case "



I don't know for you , but the dimensions are not consistent with the photo and diagram. On the diagram , if we look at the flat portion ( the one that have the holes around it ) it really looks larger than the one on the picture.

Now if you look at the larger hole in front of the smaller ones. On the diagram we see a little gap between that hole and the smaller ones. But on the picture that gap is smaller.

I'm no expert , but can we compare a diagram accuratly enough or do we have an evidence that this is not from a RB211 ?

What do you think ??

<_<

I've got better picture of both if you want to check it :

Try counting the slots the turbine blades fit into. [whistle]

I don't accept the assumption that the piece we see is the front end of the axile. It looks to me as if the axile is sheered off.

If I assume the image in the photo is smashed in the direction of of the engine's axile, I can put the to diagrams in correspondence. I wouldn't read too much into a parts diagram. They are drawn to show where things go, and give a basic idea of proportions. They will not typically be drawn to precise scale.

Then , that answered the question...

and maybe the piece was a bit shrinked after the impact , who knows ?

Not enough slot in that engine heat seal...I've counted them ! The piece doesn't fit.

[serious]

I can't get a good count on either, but I will agree that the spacing on this is more persuasive.

The onus is on you to prove that this part could not have come from an RB211-535E4B. The only way you can do that with pictures is to show us pictures of all 17 rotor disks (and everything that typically attaches to them) from a -535E4B from several angles so that we can compare with the Pentagon pictures. You can't do that, can you? That is why I said in another thread that this is a pointless excercise.

The picture that Aerospaceweb (which is a private site that does not represent the government in any way) uses to support the "official government version" is not even from the same engine, so unless it's accompanied by evidence that shows that the internal components are identical in both the -524 and -535E4B, it is useless. They even admit that it is only "believed to be nearly identical." Having said that, it could very well be the exact same part shown in the illustration, only seen from the other side. Who knows? The only thing that site can prove with regards to the disc pictured is that it is too large to be an internal component of a series of smaller engines. You can laugh all you want, but the leg does infact provide a rought estimate of the size.

I already know how you're going to respond, John, but I thought I'd throw that out there for the more reasonable people reading this. It was extremely disingenous of you to show a picture of the RB211's fan, when no one has even claimed it came from that. I do not understand why you keep doing things like this.

The 211 intake picture is the front fan and can't be compared to the pictures of "slotted disc" There is no way that you can compare these parts. The front-fan disc from a 211 looks nothing like the one in the Pentagon picture. I would 99.9% state for sure that the picture from the Pentagon is actually a turbine disc/drum from the hot end and nothing to do with any of the compressor stages. Looks like the turbine blades are still in the fir-tree's, turbine blades look nothing like comp.blades.

Just my pennies worth of course, so spare the insults like some posters seem to be far better at than posting good debate.

I've worked on 211's in a repair and overhaul facility in the UK for 27 years so have a fair amount of experience with these engines. I have access to complete drwaings of these parts but of course the Official Secrets Act stops me from showing any of them.

Yeah gee, none of those things could have been planted.

Here are parts enlarged that I've been looking at. This section of the diagram and the real picture seem to match up, even though the diagram seems larger in other sections of the cover. Let me know what you guys think, but in this particular section, it seems to be very simular.

Uh yeah, Logic.

It's an RB211 combustion case.

This has been known for years. Old news.

Merc, I should have been more clear with whom I was responding too. Sayran was questioning the size of this particular portion in a few posts up, I was showing a closer look. I made the question ask the majority, but was mostly talking to his particular question above quoted.

Since this was a question by someone, I didn't know it was confirmed by the majority. If you already know it's the real engine in questions part, what is the basis of this thread ? I'm confused sorry, I thought people were still looking into this.

Thanks

I'm just letting you ALL know.

If it was a 737 that hit the Pentagon then something did hit the light poles?

Why would they plant parts that weren't from a 757?

If it was a 737 then all the arguments against a 757 are history. Because then all were talking about is a size difference.

Remember too that if planting occurred they had to predamage all the parts or get them from an actual 757 crash site.

Not necessarily.

Perhaps they ran out of 757 parts, perhaps they did it to confuse.

Yup I guess.

Or just planted parts there in the Pentagon to be blown up in the explosion. Or the photos were taken elsewhere.