We have the pdf's for UA93 FDR via NTSB.



I noticed the FDR shows UA93 at 40 degrees pitch down and -5 degrees Angle of Attack at impact.

If that was the case, it would seem UA93 would be making a long ditch along the flight path while impacting the ground and spreading wreckage at close to a 40 degree pitch down angle.

The pictures of UAL93 impact crater shows a vertical, straight down crater (~90 degrees vertical), not a 40 degree impact with a long ditch spreading wreckage as the FDR suggests. Remember, the ground here is reported to be very soft.

ive been waiting for your 2 cents on flt 93 [salute]

now, is their any crazy file jargin or settings mysteries with flt 93?...or is it pretty cut and dry?

also, was it upside down as per the official theory?

Hey johndoe it's good to see you here. With all the Pentagon research lately, flight 93 is the most mysterious again. I'm also wondering if the data you've seen shows the plane inverted?

Has your Pilots for 9/11 Truth group filed a FOIA for the .fdr raw data file of Flight 93?

still trying to find the roll parameter in the pdf graphs to show the airplane being inverted. I know someone made the claim UA93 was in a 150 degree roll to the right. I looked over the graghs 3 times and couldnt find it. Perhaps im missing it. If anyone can find it.. please post the page.


We dont have any digit data on UA93 as we did on AA77. We only have those graphs so far.

I think someone did. I havent personally.

Could you give us a little history of this FDR, where it was found etc.

Oh and by the way, the pictures of the crater show that a plane did not crash there.

The official story goes something like this:

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The cockpit voice recorder, one of two black boxes aboard the plane, was found 25 feet below ground in the crater created when the plane struck the ground in Stonycreek.
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The plane's other black box, the flight data recorder, which records information about the aircraft's speed, altitude, position and other information, was found in roughly the same spot on Thursday.
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post-gazette

...And I think the black boxes are located somewhere in the tails (I am not sure)

But as johndoeX has found out, then a " 40 degrees pitch down and -5 degrees Angle of Attack at impact." does not add up to the creater etc.

behind, thanks. I just wanted to make it clear that this FDR is fake, it is attributed to have been found in a location where a plane did not crash. Therefore the only usefulness of any analysis is to point out inconsistencies with the official story.

It is NOT useful in determining anything about what really happened in Shanksville.

[thumbsup]

I said this when I presented the AA77 FDR to the Admins here:

Eventually, you MUST believe in SOMETHING. If you never believe in anything, then your not really helping.


I Think the point of all our efforts, is two-fold. Force a new Open Independant Investigation and/or find the key to open the pandora box of lies stacked all over the place spilling them forth on the Nation's sheep like dew on grass. They will not be able to eat without getting thier noses wet.

Anything the Government or other NGO has put forth as "official" is a double-edged blade that cuts both ways. It WILL be used against 'us', but if someone breaks thier looking glass, it can be just as deadly to 'them'.

(was that too meta-weird for everyone?)

Pilots, I realize flight 77 was too high, but remember how the data stopped a second before alleged impact? Could flight 93 have gone from 40* to 75*~ in less than a second at 500mph? Is there any type of lag with this parameter on the FDR?

One thing I could never explain if I was the govt is the way the plane burrowed but an engine (which should have been the deepest burrowed pieces) somehow bounced out of the hole and landed in the pond up the road? Since the NTSB says the engines were intact on impact. How could they POSSIBLY explain this? The engine in the pond is almost another WTC7 IMO.

I'd say they don't have to.

Ask any of your friends if they read the 9/11 Commission report. Out of 10 of my friends, I have 1 kind of reading it now (but probably losing interest) and the rest - nothing.

I fully believe the official story speaks for itself that this was an inside job b/c you're forced to believe in the most ludicrous, coincidental ideals possible. Unfortunately, most people don't know what "officially" happened that day. Nor do they really care.

I believe this administration is very incompetent in terms of politics, but they're businessmen, and businessmen are the best at never looking at the issues that plague them; just the final great outcome they will achieve for their shareholders (aka American public).

...and as long as the American public continues the "that's just crazy conspiracy talk" like Bill Maher and Jay Leno, then the gov't can pretty much say whatever the hell they want.

Key thing to do is just find the best evidence we can that the public cannot ignore, no matter now much they try to deny it.

:ph43r: bump

Do people still believe a 757 crashed there???

255k pounds+500mph impact = no wreckage?

I dont belive it (and have not for a long time)

But there is one little thing that I have found out.

Based on the photos from the crash site... well... the earth there dont look soft at all ;)

No wreckage because it turned into a steam. [thumbsup]


What's sad was the way I saw a group of people all kind of nod their head in agreeance at the Memorial when an Ambassador made that statement.

And only one engine was recovered which makes sense because it was a small plane. The engine in a pond is disinformation. That's why no "2nd engine" picture has ever been made public and wasn't evidence for the trial.

What do you mean by "crashed"?

I believe there was something that looked like a United Airlines jumbo jet that came in low over the scrap yard between Shanksville and Lambertsville. It was probably flying upside down, and an A-10 had it in its sights at point-blank range. Did the A-10 hit it with some kind of powerful explosive? I suspect it probably did. I also suspect that someone's F-16 (ND NG?) knocked a few chunks out of it a couple minutes earlier. I also believe the jumbo jet was maneuverable up to the time of the explosion.

There were reports of a huge black cloud. I believe those were published before the first spin cycle. Val's photo may be legit, with the cloud close to the point of impact. It sure looks like ordinance to me. If the cloud was over the impact area that was one heluva blast.

If I'm not mistaken, planes don't literally explode when they hit the ground and throw up a big fireball. Instead, what happens is that the fuel gets splashed up into the air where it is ignited by sparks or other heat sources produced by the crash. The result is a rapidly consumed ball of fuel. In such a case, we should probably expect some of the fuel to have also spilled onto the ground. That, however, is not consistent with witness accounts.