No Planes Theory: R.i.p. (Loose Change Forum)

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/September...30906Planes.htm

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Those who argue that there were no planes which crashed into the Twin Towers on 9/11 say that "computer generated imagery" (CGI) was used to insert fake video images of planes. However, these folks are forgetting something: there are numerous eyewitness reports of people who heard the planes.

In other words, for the no planes theory to be true, not only would CGI have had to be inserted in live videocamera feeds, and all of the witnesses who saw the planes be disinfo agents, but some sort of high-tech flying sound generator would have had to be used to fake the moving sounds of planes flying into the buildings.

Here are some of the earwitness accounts:

"LT. BOB LAROCCO, FIREFIGHTER, LADDER 9: We all heard a plane that sounded like it was in trouble. So everyone stopped what they were doing. I kind of thought to myself that it was headed toward Newark Airport. I didn't think much of it. And then I heard a dull thud. I kind of stopped in my tracks and stopped for a second, and said, nah. People started running out of the stores on Second Avenue there. They were saying, oh, God, oh, God, a plane just crashed into the World Trade Center."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/15/asb.01.html

"[Deputy Fire Chief] Hayden: I was continuing on. I worked the night before. I was in my office when I heard a plane coming in low."
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/mag.../gz/hayden.html

"Battalion Chief Joseph Pfiefer said, 'We heard a very loud plane, which you never hear in Manhattan. We all look up and see this commercial airline flying very low. We follow it and it goes right into the Trade Center. You could see it didn't veer off. It appeared to aim at the Trade Center smashed into the upper floors. Created a big fireball and then disappeared into the building. I transmitted a second alarm...20 seconds after that I transmitted a third alarm.'"
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/a...nId=41&id=51111

Jazz legend Sonny Rollins: "I heard this plane flying in kind of low. Then I heard, “Pow!” I pulled out this old black-and-white television set. I got it working, and then I saw the second plane come into the other tower."
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=8255

"Toby O’Berry [who worked for Morgan Stanley in the Twin Towers] . . . looked up toward the burning tower and the people leaping from it, then heard a plane rumbling across the picture-perfect blue Manhattan sky.
And then he ran. Then he heard a rumbling sound. He looked up and saw a plane smash into the south tower. All my co-workers, they’re all dead, Toby thought. Then he turned and ran, shaking people out of their stupor along the way."
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../20060910/NEWS/
60910003/1001&lead=1

Julie Williams, who worked in WTC2, said "We stepped out of the building walked not 8 feet and I heard another plane and I turned around and I saw the 2nd plane as it hit my building."
http://www.kark.com/news/print.asp?mode=shownews&id=7472

"I had taken the Path train to the WTC and stopped at a newsstand on my way out of the building to see if they had a magazine that I was looking for . . . . I had just passed Century21 this giant discount department store on the corner when I heard the loudest plane that I had ever heard. I stuck my fingers in my ears. Then I heard a high pitch whine like when a bomb drops. Then the impact - BAM!"
http://roolalenska.blogspot.com/

Worker in the Twin Towers said, "In my jog north I heard the second plane hit . . . ."
http://www.beliefnet.com/nllp/Inspiration....date=09-11-2006

"Everyone at the marina was out on the docks, discussing what had happened. Had the plane lost control? Then we heard another plane almost directly overhead. It was awfully low, and I said "What, is he going in for a closer look?" Then the second plane crashed into the side of the south tower. A fireball shot out both sides of the building and you could see parts of the building falling over the city."
http://www.pelorus-jack.com/boat/02_newengland/nyc.html

"Bill Continelli was in lower Manhattan on September 11, 2001. He was south of the World Trade Center and heard the 2nd plane as it flew over and slammed into Tower #2."
http://www.ourmedia.org/taxonomy/term/3714

"Standing 2 1/2 blocks away from the WTC, staring up, looking at the ball of fire in the first tower. Frozen. Paralyzed....watching charred fax papers drift down gently on the breeze. I heard the 2nd plane approaching and ran."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...09040618AAFq7Ma

"It was before 9 a.m. when I heard this plane overhead...in central NJ, we're always in somebody's flight path because of the proximity to Newark Airport. This plane was loud, and I mean LOUD, shaking the house and everything in it. It sounded like it was going to land on my roof. I looked out the window, but the plane had zipped by. About 10 minutes later, my boyfriend called and told me to turn on the news...and that's how I found out."
http://www.rr-bb.com/archive/index.php/t-220658.html

New York based Australian author, Peter Carey, said "We’re in this little street on the corner of 6th Avenue and Houston Street, you could see down there to the World Trade Center, and I heard that plane come overhead, and it was very low . . . ."
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/mediar...ies/s659555.htm

As soon as I heard the plane hit, I grabbed my camera and walked out on Greenwich St.
http://911digitalarchive.org/photograph/details/215

"They heard a plane."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2236210.stm

"Then I heard another plane hit."
http://kevinsteel.org/projects/music/ingodshands.html

"Early this morning around 9 am, I heard the sound of a low flying airplane. It was so loud my immediate thought was that it was a terrorist or a plane that would land on our rooftop in Greenwich Village."
http://www.readio.com/archives/0109/11WTC/nyclickers.html

"As he walked across the courtyard, he looked up to see first tower ablaze and minutes later heard a roar and saw the second plane strike".
http://www.nd.edu/~ndmag/w2001-02/9-11survive.html (James Calcagnini)

"Exiting the station, he heard the second plane hit." http://www.nd.edu/~ndmag/w2001-02/9-11survive.html (James W. Flood)

"I saw and heard the first plane as it passed over my head."
http://911blogger.com/node/2664#comment-66977

"Mar was in the shower and I was working at my desk. I heard a plane, large, slow, and way too low, and then the unmistakable crash. "A plane crashed. I heard it. I'm going out to see". I grabbed my camera and ran out of the house."
http://121contact.typepad.com/my_weblog/20...1_ground_z.html

"We had gotten to approximately point C on the picture, walking along the water, when both Rachel and I heard a plane. Looking over the southern tip of Manhatten, we could see the United jet roaring in, just skimming the tops of the buildings. Normally, when you see a jet that close, it is taking off or landing and is moving relatively slowly. This one was at full throttle. I remember yelling something like "What's he doing there?" but it went quickly behind us and was blocked from view by the buildings along the water. We didn't see the impact, but we could hear it and feel it."
http://www.bjkresearch.com/ny/

5 years ago today, I was jarred out of bed by the sound of a jet airliner crashing into the World Trade Center - six short blocks from my Manhattan apartment. . . .
When the 2nd plane hit, I was standing in my living room, watching the television. We heard the plane collide with the building first, and then saw it on TV."
http://addisonrd.com/WordPress/

"On the morning of Sept. 11, as I prepared to leave for work, I heard a plane roar over our building, followed by a horrible echoing boom."
http://pacificcitizen.org/mirikitani.htm

"Before the first blast, staff on the streets around Trinity heard what to some sounded like military jets carrying out a low flypast before hearing the blast."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m105...118/ai_79127822

"State Superintendent of New York works two miles from the World Trade Center. He testified of his mother’s deliverance from the area when the crash happened. “My mother got off the subway train about 9:00, and the World Trade Center was burning at the top”, recounts Diaz. “The people in the area said that it was a accidental airplane crash, so everyone carried on as usual, buying breakfast, etc. Suddenly, she heard a plane engine coming, and the people starting screaming and running, and she with them. She ran to the park. The plane then went directly into the building."
http://www.houseofgod.org/articles/news/news_oct01.htm

"Something hit one of the trade center towers. I was on the phone with my wife listening to her telling me to leave the city and come home, when the second plane flew past our building and crashed into the second tower. This time we all heard the plane hit and we felt the blast."
http://www.giolist.com/2002_09_01_giolist-archive.html

No plane theory: R.I.P.

This list of eyewitness accounts is by no means comprehensive. There are HUNDREDS of similiar reports. If you want to find additional accounts, use the following search, and start on page 17 of the Google results: http://www.google.com/search?q=9/11+%22heard+*+plane%22+%22
world+trade+center%22&hl=en&lr=&start=160&sa=N

From Killtown's sig:

NO-PLANER - someone who believes no 7X7 hit the towers, but not necessarily nothing hit them and believes the crash videos were faked. Very few NPTs believe holograms were used.

I'm sure someone will soon link a "turbo super-sonic particle wave device" that can exactly manipulate the sound of aircraft and broadcast it over long distances.

I still find it hard to get my head around how people like Nico Haupt, who did some of the best detailed 9-11 research (see the superb team8.org) can support this stuff.

I can apply Photoshop filters to video images and make them as spooky as you want.

NPT also means that issues like

Was there specific media manipulation on the day?

become much more difficult to investigate.

Things like

When did Osama get "superimposed" over the Towers images?

How many times was this done on each channel per hour?.

What was being said in the FOX Alerts during this time?

I watched OutFOXED last night and think this is definitely an avenue worth exploring!

Why do we even talk about this theory?

Jerry,

I agree, NPT is very unlikely given the evidence of the gash and parts found
(although they could have been planted ala the Pentagon).

Now we have to work on those preaching PODS/missles.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/septe...legalaction.htm

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9/11 Truth Movement Needs Legal Action Group
In same vain as 9/11 scholars, first action would be to distance itself from damaging unproven theories

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 12 2006

The momentum of the 9/11 truth movement is accelerating like never before after enjoying a cacophony of attention during yesterday's 5th anniversary coverage. The next stage needs to be the formation of a 9/11 Legal Action organization and commencement of criminal indictments following the likely Republican loss of Congress in November.

The dam on proving the destruction of the trade towers was an inside job has broken and the only thing that can stop it now is infiltration and misdirection towards unproven and discrediting theories about pods, missiles, ghost planes and other outlandish distractions.

QUOTE (TheQuest @ Sep 13 2006, 06:38 PM)

Jerry,

I agree, NPT is very unlikely given the evidence of the gash and parts found
(although they could have been planted ala the Pentagon).

Now we have to work on those preaching PODS/missles.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/septe...legalaction.htm

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9/11 Truth Movement Needs Legal Action Group
In same vain as 9/11 scholars, first action would be to distance itself from damaging unproven theories

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 12 2006

The momentum of the 9/11 truth movement is accelerating like never before after enjoying a cacophony of attention during yesterday's 5th anniversary coverage. The next stage needs to be the formation of a 9/11 Legal Action organization and commencement of criminal indictments following the likely Republican loss of Congress in November.

The dam on proving the destruction of the trade towers was an inside job has broken and the only thing that can stop it now is infiltration and misdirection towards unproven and discrediting theories about pods, missiles, ghost planes and other outlandish distractions.

Last i checked nobody here is 'preaching' pods or missiles. I imagine some people may believe it, but i don;t see people posting about it at all.

Ok no-plane haters, just answer me ONE question, how did this 767's wing/tail tips manage to penetrate the steel fascade?...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=2147

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThPTduiA5jI

yeah, kinda looks like a plane
some people..

Elusive,

What are your thoughts on the 1969/70 moon landings?

If indeed the lunar landings were faked, do you understand the implications?

Also, the "fuselage" that PJ Watson says exited the South Tower:

user posted image

The South Tower "exit" hole:

user posted image

http://www.911blogger.com/node/2564

Or am I missing something?

This is why I haven't closed the door on NPT. From Ghost Gun:
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/prod/dialspac...aqrf00/ggua175/

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For some reason the CNN filmed UA175 aircraft had an attitude all of its own just prior to impact.

In order to get the apparent fuselage length correct and the bank angles matched I used 3 degrees positive pitch and 35 degrees port bank. These bank and pitch datums are inconsistent with datums obtained from more accurate sources, like the CNN Brooklyn Heights Photograph (41 degree bank angle with 1 degree negative pitch) and the Evan Fairbanks video (11 degrees yaw) for example

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Another problem is that lack of airframe detail shown in the Der Spiegel image. When compared to a real Boeing 767-200 this point becomes self-evident. Where are the flaps, ailerons, nuts, bolts, rivets, flap hinges, aileron hinges, inspection hatches, leading edge devices, gear bay doors, safety labels, identification numbers, pitot heads, cargo bay doors, static wicks, blade antenna...etc...etc...?

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But the real problem with this aircraft is the extent of the port wing root deformation. It is so massively deformed and bloated that it rises up to the line where the passenger windows would be and continues down in a curve to a point beyond the port engine pylon.

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There are 2 major differences between these two videos that can not be explained in terms of camera viewing angles, video technology limitations or meteorological / environmental conditions:

1 - The speed of the UA175 aircraft seen in the "Unknown" Video is approximately 492mph compared to the Park Foreman UA175 aircraft speed which is approximately 620mph.

2 - The UA175 aircraft seen in the Unknown Video is flying horizontally in direct contradiction to the UA175 aircraft in the Park Foreman Video which is flying an approximate 3.7 degree descent path.

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Park Foreman Video - 619 mph / 537 knots / M0.806

Evan Fairbanks Video - 565 mph / 490 knots / M0.735

"Unknown Video" - 492 mph / 428 knots / M0.642

We see unbroken columns where we also saw the wings enter the building completely. Falsifiable crash scenes at Washington and Shanksville are simpatico with these observations.
That's about it. I disagree with the rest of NPT.
Edit: Oh, yeah. Thanks, KT. That fuselage that can only be destroyed by its own explosion. Do fuselages explode?

Killtown, I really wish you would just go away. You're an embarrassment.

Wakingupamy,

I have a question for you.

What did you think of the 1969/70 lunar landings?

QUOTE (WakingUpAmy @ Sep 13 2006, 07:06 PM)

Killtown, I really wish you would just go away. You're an embarrassment.

WakingUpAmy,

Can you post the link to your website so I can see all of your work and theories so I can scrutinize?

Killtown you did a lot of good work.

But this hologram story even its true you know we cant talk about this !

Its realy dificult to make people anderstand what hapened that day and you want to add the no-plane theory ???

Please dont, its already dificult like this.

And thanks for all your work Killtown.

QUOTE (weknow @ Sep 13 2006, 07:39 PM)

Killtown you did a lot of good work.

But this hologram story even its true you know we cant talk about this !

Its realy dificult to make people anderstand what hapened taht day and you want to add the no-plane theory ???

Please dont, its already dificult like this.

And thanks for all your work Killtown.

Thanks for digging most of my work, but let's be clear, I DO NOT subscribe to the "hologram theory" and most NPTs don't.

We believe the planes were INSERTED there by CGI on some videos and possible bluescreen on the rest. Most of us DO BELIEVE there was a flyby and it's PROVEN by video that commercial planes WERE in the area at the time of the crashes.

I can't in good nature kid myself into not believing the obvious evidence. That's not how I operate.

That's a fair concern weknow. We're just not sure the right thing to do regarding the 2nd tower hit is to shut down discussion of it. I can't see the harm as long as it's only viewed as a consideration at this point.

[thumbsup]

Maybe we should research this theory away from this forum because all we are doing at the moment is hurting the movement. More and more people come here everyday just to read this, the chance is that it will put a significant % of them off even if it may turn out to be true. That is not i want and im sure not what you want... Is there a NPT forum we could discuss this on that isn't so popular? I dont mean just another section on this forum i mean a different forum altogether.

Good point nevermind.

I'm moving this thread in the meantime to ALt.

[thumbsup]

Nice one, the way i see it is that we need to show a united front against the goverments version of events. Pretty much everyone in the movement agree that the towers fell due to something other than fire and damage caused by the planes. For me the fact that there was some kind of explosives in the tower means i really dont need to know if the planes had pods on or if they were military planes, or if the footage was faked, none of that matters.

I personally don't buy the no-plane theory but fully support the pod evidence put forth by Phil Jayhan and Dylan Avery. [smoke]

QUOTE (Killtown @ Sep 13 2006, 05:43 PM)

Ok no-plane haters, just answer me ONE question, how did this 767's wing/tail tips manage to penetrate the steel fascade?...

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=2147

PHYSICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At 500 mph would you really be surprised that a plane can fly through a few feet of a buildings wall? The plane shredded as it went into the building and at that speed acted more like a fluid than a solid. I would have called fake if the plane had a tail section sticking out of the building after going into it at 500 mph. This theory is utterly ridiculous and it makes me mad that you are still going on about it when you can clearly see that it hurts the movement and helps undermine us.

The exit hole is certainly suspicious.. But I refuse to subscribe to this No Plane bs.

Even if no planes hit the towers, we have a better chance of exposing 9/11 by saying they did.

Saturday, February 25, 2006

The Lying M$M, The Alternative Gatekeepers and Their Respective Flocks
When discussing 9/11 'Conspiracy Theories', the guillibility of many supposed 'critical thinkers', will never cease to amaze me. There are many people that claim that they 'don't believe' the Official Fairy Tale given to us by the M$M and THEN parrotted by government officials.

These people have many different theories of what really happened, from LIHOP (let it happen on purpose) to plane-swaps by the military. There is even a very, very small group that maintains the no planes reality, myself included.

Most of the theorists have at least one common denominator, The PLAINS PLANES.

Some examples of the theories.

Village Voice

Popular Mechanics

We will we will FLOCK YOU.

We will we will FLOCK YOU.

Now get this, there has supposedly been a 'division' created in the '9/11 Truth Movement' over the issue that some people maintain a no planes perspective. This small group is being blamed for 'turning off' Joe 6-Pack from looking into the anomalies of 9/11.

This is patently ubsurd. Do you really believe that a group of less than 100 people that post on forums, run a few obscure blogs or put up a web page or two are having ANY influence on the average citizen?

Full post here: http://perpetualynquisitive.blogspot.com/2...eepers-and.html

LiveFreeOrDieTryin, you're comment reminded me of something one of my uncles told me when I was about 10 years old. He didn't believe in Jesus/God as described by the church that he attended but he went faithfully ever week.

When I asked why, he stated, roughly, "As long as the other members of the church think that I believe what they believe, they will continue to buy from me." He was an Amway Double Diamond Distributor or about to become one (AFAICR, that was more than 25 years ago) and he depended on the 'flock' for his income.

The parallel between my uncle's behaviour & the 9/11 'truth movement' is quite obvious for me to see.

As long as there are people coming up with bizarre theories, the mainstream media will continue to focus on them and it hurts the rest of us.

It is ignorant to assume that you can talk about reptiles and aliens in the same breath as 9/11 truth and not have it damage the movements credibility.

Personally I don't see any parallels between what your uncle said and what im saying.

So, Killtown, what happened to the exiting fuselage?

Are there any videos of it dropping after the initial explosion?

Because it didn't go rocketing out with the explosion....and I don't think it vaporized! That a plane can shoot through all that steel can be chalked up to freak physics, like straw penatrating a tree in a tornado. The outer beams were bent IN at the impact, although your exit hole photo is a little weird, unless it's from the other tower. I just want to see that miracle cockpit dropping to the ground...I geuss I'm off on a search now.

This theory isn't dead to rights. I'm still wondering why the "pod" is obviously a wing fairing.

>I just want to see that miracle cockpit dropping to the ground...I geuss I'm off on a search now.

Good luck! We've tried. That cockpit is an albatross to the video realism movement.

Yeah...seems to be Brood

NPT is completely impossible to prove, completely impossible to disprove

Completely impossible to disprove? Thanks!

I would submit that it's completely possible to prove no less.

QUOTE (LiveFreeOrDieTryin @ Sep 14 2006, 04:11 AM)

Even if no planes hit the towers, we have a better chance of exposing 9/11 by saying they did.

Sounds exactly like 'I don't believe in Jesus' but I'll say that I do, so the suckers at the church will keep buying my wares, at least to my ears.

So much for your credibility, thanks for playing though.

QUOTE (Killtown @ Sep 13 2006, 07:43 PM)

QUOTE (weknow @ Sep 13 2006, 07:39 PM)

Killtown you did a lot of good work.

But this hologram story even its true you know we cant talk about this !

Its realy dificult to make people anderstand what hapened taht day and you want to add the no-plane theory ???

Please dont, its already dificult like this.

And thanks for all your work Killtown.

Thanks for digging most of my work, but let's be clear, I DO NOT subscribe to the "hologram theory" and most NPTs don't.

We believe the planes were INSERTED there by CGI on some videos and possible bluescreen on the rest. Most of us DO BELIEVE there was a flyby and it's PROVEN by video that commercial planes WERE in the area at the time of the crashes.

I can't in good nature kid myself into not believing the obvious evidence. That's not how I operate.

So you guys are only interested in "believing" and "theories" right?

Are you guys ever going to be interested in actually going to NYC and speaking with witnesses? You could always use people finder to try and locate people and interview them.

Are you guys interested in that? Or just speculating from behind a monitor with no proof to offer?

QUOTE (Merc @ Sep 14 2006, 03:44 PM)

So you guys are only interested in "believing" and "theories" right?

Are you guys ever going to be interested in actually going to NYC and speaking with witnesses? You could always use people finder to try and locate people and interview them.

Are you guys interested in that? Or just speculating from behind a monitor with no proof to offer?

Merc,

Didn't you suspend me for 2 days for claiming I was trying to start fights just like you are doing now? Are you going to suspend yourself for 2 days now like you did me?

Perpetually and Kill!

Bro's........I am with you all the way !

Certain fotos and videos are fake..........

Like this foto which shows the plane approaching at just above the level of the skylobby(horizontal band across face of tower)

user posted image

...and this video which shows the plane approaching much further above that same skylobby..........

user posted image

QUOTE (JerryFletcher @ Sep 13 2006, 04:45 PM)

http://prisonplanet.com/articles/September...30906Planes.htm

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Those who argue that there were no planes which crashed into the Twin Towers on 9/11 say that "computer generated imagery" (CGI) was used to insert fake video images of planes. However, these folks are forgetting something: there are numerous eyewitness reports of people who heard the planes.

In other words, for the no planes theory to be true, not only would CGI have had to be inserted in live videocamera feeds, and all of the witnesses who saw the planes be disinfo agents, but some sort of high-tech flying sound generator would have had to be used to fake the moving sounds of planes flying into the buildings.

Here are some of the earwitness accounts:

"LT. BOB LAROCCO, FIREFIGHTER, LADDER 9: We all heard a plane that sounded like it was in trouble. So everyone stopped what they were doing. I kind of thought to myself that it was headed toward Newark Airport. I didn't think much of it. And then I heard a dull thud. I kind of stopped in my tracks and stopped for a second, and said, nah. People started running out of the stores on Second Avenue there. They were saying, oh, God, oh, God, a plane just crashed into the World Trade Center."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/15/asb.01.html

"[Deputy Fire Chief] Hayden: I was continuing on. I worked the night before. I was in my office when I heard a plane coming in low."
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/mag.../gz/hayden.html

"Battalion Chief Joseph Pfiefer said, 'We heard a very loud plane, which you never hear in Manhattan. We all look up and see this commercial airline flying very low. We follow it and it goes right into the Trade Center. You could see it didn't veer off. It appeared to aim at the Trade Center smashed into the upper floors. Created a big fireball and then disappeared into the building. I transmitted a second alarm...20 seconds after that I transmitted a third alarm.'"
http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/a...nId=41&id=51111

Jazz legend Sonny Rollins: "I heard this plane flying in kind of low. Then I heard, “Pow!” I pulled out this old black-and-white television set. I got it working, and then I saw the second plane come into the other tower."
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=8255

"Toby O’Berry [who worked for Morgan Stanley in the Twin Towers] . . . looked up toward the burning tower and the people leaping from it, then heard a plane rumbling across the picture-perfect blue Manhattan sky.
And then he ran. Then he heard a rumbling sound. He looked up and saw a plane smash into the south tower. All my co-workers, they’re all dead, Toby thought. Then he turned and ran, shaking people out of their stupor along the way."
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../20060910/NEWS/
60910003/1001&lead=1

Julie Williams, who worked in WTC2, said "We stepped out of the building walked not 8 feet and I heard another plane and I turned around and I saw the 2nd plane as it hit my building."
http://www.kark.com/news/print.asp?mode=shownews&id=7472

"I had taken the Path train to the WTC and stopped at a newsstand on my way out of the building to see if they had a magazine that I was looking for . . . . I had just passed Century21 this giant discount department store on the corner when I heard the loudest plane that I had ever heard. I stuck my fingers in my ears. Then I heard a high pitch whine like when a bomb drops. Then the impact - BAM!"
http://roolalenska.blogspot.com/

Worker in the Twin Towers said, "In my jog north I heard the second plane hit . . . ."
http://www.beliefnet.com/nllp/Inspiration....date=09-11-2006

"Everyone at the marina was out on the docks, discussing what had happened. Had the plane lost control? Then we heard another plane almost directly overhead. It was awfully low, and I said "What, is he going in for a closer look?" Then the second plane crashed into the side of the south tower. A fireball shot out both sides of the building and you could see parts of the building falling over the city."
http://www.pelorus-jack.com/boat/02_newengland/nyc.html

"Bill Continelli was in lower Manhattan on September 11, 2001. He was south of the World Trade Center and heard the 2nd plane as it flew over and slammed into Tower #2."
http://www.ourmedia.org/taxonomy/term/3714

"Standing 2 1/2 blocks away from the WTC, staring up, looking at the ball of fire in the first tower. Frozen. Paralyzed....watching charred fax papers drift down gently on the breeze. I heard the 2nd plane approaching and ran."
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...09040618AAFq7Ma

"It was before 9 a.m. when I heard this plane overhead...in central NJ, we're always in somebody's flight path because of the proximity to Newark Airport. This plane was loud, and I mean LOUD, shaking the house and everything in it. It sounded like it was going to land on my roof. I looked out the window, but the plane had zipped by. About 10 minutes later, my boyfriend called and told me to turn on the news...and that's how I found out."
http://www.rr-bb.com/archive/index.php/t-220658.html

New York based Australian author, Peter Carey, said "We’re in this little street on the corner of 6th Avenue and Houston Street, you could see down there to the World Trade Center, and I heard that plane come overhead, and it was very low . . . ."
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/mediar...ies/s659555.htm

As soon as I heard the plane hit, I grabbed my camera and walked out on Greenwich St.
http://911digitalarchive.org/photograph/details/215

"They heard a plane."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2236210.stm

"Then I heard another plane hit."
http://kevinsteel.org/projects/music/ingodshands.html

"Early this morning around 9 am, I heard the sound of a low flying airplane. It was so loud my immediate thought was that it was a terrorist or a plane that would land on our rooftop in Greenwich Village."
http://www.readio.com/archives/0109/11WTC/nyclickers.html

"As he walked across the courtyard, he looked up to see first tower ablaze and minutes later heard a roar and saw the second plane strike".
http://www.nd.edu/~ndmag/w2001-02/9-11survive.html (James Calcagnini)

"Exiting the station, he heard the second plane hit." http://www.nd.edu/~ndmag/w2001-02/9-11survive.html (James W. Flood)

"I saw and heard the first plane as it passed over my head."
http://911blogger.com/node/2664#comment-66977

"Mar was in the shower and I was working at my desk. I heard a plane, large, slow, and way too low, and then the unmistakable crash. "A plane crashed. I heard it. I'm going out to see". I grabbed my camera and ran out of the house."
http://121contact.typepad.com/my_weblog/20...1_ground_z.html

"We had gotten to approximately point C on the picture, walking along the water, when both Rachel and I heard a plane. Looking over the southern tip of Manhatten, we could see the United jet roaring in, just skimming the tops of the buildings. Normally, when you see a jet that close, it is taking off or landing and is moving relatively slowly. This one was at full throttle. I remember yelling something like "What's he doing there?" but it went quickly behind us and was blocked from view by the buildings along the water. We didn't see the impact, but we could hear it and feel it."
http://www.bjkresearch.com/ny/

5 years ago today, I was jarred out of bed by the sound of a jet airliner crashing into the World Trade Center - six short blocks from my Manhattan apartment. . . .
When the 2nd plane hit, I was standing in my living room, watching the television. We heard the plane collide with the building first, and then saw it on TV."
http://addisonrd.com/WordPress/

"On the morning of Sept. 11, as I prepared to leave for work, I heard a plane roar over our building, followed by a horrible echoing boom."
http://pacificcitizen.org/mirikitani.htm

"Before the first blast, staff on the streets around Trinity heard what to some sounded like military jets carrying out a low flypast before hearing the blast."
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m105...118/ai_79127822

"State Superintendent of New York works two miles from the World Trade Center. He testified of his mother’s deliverance from the area when the crash happened. “My mother got off the subway train about 9:00, and the World Trade Center was burning at the top”, recounts Diaz. “The people in the area said that it was a accidental airplane crash, so everyone carried on as usual, buying breakfast, etc. Suddenly, she heard a plane engine coming, and the people starting screaming and running, and she with them. She ran to the park. The plane then went directly into the building."
http://www.houseofgod.org/articles/news/news_oct01.htm

"Something hit one of the trade center towers. I was on the phone with my wife listening to her telling me to leave the city and come home, when the second plane flew past our building and crashed into the second tower. This time we all heard the plane hit and we felt the blast."
http://www.giolist.com/2002_09_01_giolist-archive.html

No plane theory: R.I.P.

This list of eyewitness accounts is by no means comprehensive. There are HUNDREDS of similiar reports. If you want to find additional accounts, use the following search, and start on page 17 of the Google results: http://www.google.com/search?q=9/11+%22heard+*+plane%22+%22
world+trade+center%22&hl=en&lr=&start=160&sa=N

Thursday, September 07, 2006

Bad News For the Conspiracy Nuts

Al-Jazeera airs pre-9/11 tape showing Bin Laden meeting with hijackers. How'd they get Paul Wolfowitz to release the video? LOL

QUOTE (Seatnineb @ Sep 14 2006, 08:17 PM)

Perpetually and Kill!

Bro's........I am with you all the way !

Certain fotos and videos are fake..........

Like this foto which shows the plane approaching at just above the level of the skylobby(horizontal band across face of tower)

user posted image

...and this video which shows the plane approaching much further above that same skylobby..........

user posted image

Wow, great find! Do have the source link to the bottom photo? I think I have the top one.

Wow, great find! Thank you for helping to demonstrate how easily enthuastic no planers completely overlook perspective when comparing photos and videos!!

When you folks are done cleaning up after crapping your pants over this extraordinary rock solid proof of no-planes and video fakery, please take the time to realize that the first photo is taken from a vantage point much closer to ground level than the second photo, which appears to be from a newschopper or something MUCH more elvated than photo one. If you can actually wrap your mind around that concept, try not to injure yourself considering the impact different lenses (wide angle etc) and distances can have on 2 totally different photos or videos.

f*ckin' PONDEROUS SHIT man.

QUOTE (Seatnineb @ Sep 14 2006, 08:17 PM)

And about this photographer's story...

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After taking a look at the black gash in the facade of the building, I abandoned breakfast and ran to my apartment across the street and grabbed my camera. It was loaded and ready (I'd just gotton back from Florida several days before).
I snapped a few pictures and saw the second plane in my viewfinder. I snapped it instinctively. I had no idea it was going to hit the south tower."

Now read the rest of his amazing shots...

http://killtown.911review.org/2nd-hit.html#5p

Bun'.........You are talkin' out of your ass..........

In the words of HotDogBun:

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Posted on Sep 17 2006, 12:33 AM

"Please take the time to realize that the first photo is taken from a vantage point much closer to ground level than the second photo, which appears to be from a newschopper or something MUCH more elvated than photo one".

Assuming that Fisch's foto is 100% authentic and given that his foto shows the plane approaching at just above the skylobby(from his vantage point on the ground):

user posted image

..........then ...the only way for a fotographer to get this same plane to appear as if it was way above that same skylobby...would be to take a foto from well above this same WTC......like so.......

(I have fotoshopped the plane onto the background):
user posted image

But the actual "real video":

user posted image

.....which is not taken from above the wtc..........but roughly the same height as the roof of this same wtc.............

.......still shows this same plane approaching well above the height of the skylobby...........

That is what happens when you have fake videos and fake foto's.

Are you familiar with the concept of perspective. Ever look at something from two totally different angles, or levels? :rolleyes:

What's WITH you no planers anyway? We don't get it.. Are you mental?

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