Maybe the government 'lie' isn't as big as we think. Maybe the plane did crash or get shot down, but the only part that the government made up was finding the red bandana (and the other documents). Maybe they just figured to capitalise on this and put together a strong case - no?

Well... I would believe it sooner if they hadn't found a red bandana..

A plane with several american citizens crashed while it was hijacked and bound to destroy either the Capitol or the White House. The government is totally surprised by this overwhelming disaster they had no clue of it could happen. Officials go to the crashsite and find nothing which could indicate this was flight 93. So they go back to the White house to inform Bush about it. Bush & Co come to the conclusion they have to say they found something otherwise people would not believe it really was a terrorist attack. A red bandana, this would convince the people.

What is wrong with the above story is that if it really was a full terrorist attack without government knowing about it then they (Bush & Co) would never think the people of the USA (and rest of the world) had doubts of what really happened that day.

I like to call it the magic red bandana. It survived when 80 tons of steel and aluminum could not. It survived where no body could. it survived where titanium could not. It is weak piece of planted evidence.

When my plane crashes do not bury an empty casket if all they can find is some silly bandana.

Not nessesarily.

The government might have just said they found a red bandana there to help support thier cause, because there was so little evidence since is was all 'vapourised'.

You have one of two options here.

1) The bandana was planted by government to try to shore up a failing story.

2) It is a real bandana from Flight 93 that survived when 99.97% of the rest of the airframe was annhilated from existence.


Pick.

Take a feather and drop it from 10000 feet. At the same time jump from the airplane. When the feather lands, it will look as it did when you dropped it. You, on the other hand will explode into unrecognizable pieces.

Same concept. The bandana could have been inside a piece of luggage (right in the middle of a bunce of clothes and on impact, thrust outward and landing softly on the ground. FAR more believable than some of the theories on this site. FAR MORE.

Pretty sad when the U.S. population's IQ drops so much that common sense disappears. That is where we are today.

Maybe you weren't paying attention somewhere. The bandana supposedly came off a hijacker's HEAD.

I agree with you though, from inside luggage would be much more believable. But considering no luggage was ever found... [dunno]

If you think a piece of cloth can escape a fireball casued by several thousands of gallons of burning jetfuel, yet a human body, engine, tail section, wings etc could simply vaporize, then i am afraid you are missing something here. Please look into this thread..

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_F...?showtopic=9638

Um, it also weighed ounces as compared to 100 lb. bodies. Do you even realize the fragility of the human body.

Drop both from 30000 feet and see which one survives. I am going to say that the bandana floats down to the ground TOTALLY intact. The body will splatter and you won't be able to recover 5% of it. JUST LIKE IN THIS CRASH.

Or take the two and put them in a container (similar to the shell of an airliner), put the bandana in a suitcase in the container. Drop them from 30000 feet and watch the suitcase explode from the force of the impact and jettison the bandana and it floats back to the ground.

HOW IS IT THAT THIS IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

Supposedly on his head. Were you there? Were any of you? So you all beleive it was on his head, but he didn't exist. He didn't exist because the plane was remote controlled. There was no plane it was a missle that created the crater......blah blah blah. Which is it?


Let's talk facts. Either way is certainly possible (on his head or in luggage). Luggage parts were found. Unless of course you don't beleive the reports. If you don't then how can you beleive the bandana was even found.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Check the weight of the bandana vs the objects you quoted. There is your answer. The bodies vaporize? Try splattered and squirted out all over the crash area. There is a big difference between human flesh and a piece of CLOTH!!!!!

The same way I explain a tornado sending a piece of straw through a 2x4. Unless you don't beleive that either.

The force could EASILY blow the bandana clear of the wreckage. And the parts did not 'vaporize' as you say. Try burrowed into the ground.

Take some physics classes, please. Get an education. You will be glad you did.

I never said Flight 93 was a drone. I actually believe it crashed in that crater. But if you are saying the bandana wasn't on a hijacker's head, then Zacarias Moussaui must deserve a re-trial, because that was part of the government's evidence. So do you think the government was lying? [dunno]

Airplanes don't vaporize.

Come on.

How many parts on an airplane have identifying numbers? Lots.

Where are the parts with the identifying numbers on them to validate the notion that Flight 93 crashed or was blown up.. who cares, it doesn't matter.

We have papers blown about. We have fabric. We have a bucketful of picked clean bones. We have an engine?? rusted?? Supposedly in this "soft" earth that swallowed a plane?

I mean... how gullible are we?

Airplanes don't vaporize. I don't give a damn if they supposedly crash into aluminum and steel, into concrete, or into soft earth. They don't fricken vaporize.

Maybe I'm mistaken, can anyone point to any other airplane that vaporized? Ever?