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 What if... Civil War (The real one)
Wingman
Posted: Apr 15 2008, 08:33 PM


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QUOTE (DataSnake @ Apr 15 2008, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 02:40 PM)
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QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 02:08 PM)

But ask yourself, "How were they led to turn out OK?" The concentration camps: liberated by Allied troops. The tyranny of the Saddam Hussein regime: freed by US troops. The attacks by German on Europe during BOTH world wars: stopped and eventually pushed back by British, American, and French troops.

Saddam Hussein: Put in power by the US government as an ally against Iran.
The Holocaust: During WWII, the US gov. actively tried to HIDE info about what Hitler was up to. I don't know why, because it would have been a GREAT PR tool, but that's what they did.

I know about Saddam. I was unaware of the Holocaust thing. Are you saying, then that we're bad because of an intelligence screwup, but you don't give us any credit when we free hundreds of thousands of starved, half-dead Jews? For a flap of judgment of putting Saddam in power, are you then forgetting what we'd done to right our wrong? You seem to look only at the negative. There are always lessons to be learned, but we righted the wrongs we did in both cases.

You appear to look only at the positive. Therefore, in order to maintain a proper balance, I point out the negative facts you overlook. I see the positive too, but I see no need to repost what has already been mentioned.

Well, there is that.


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War produces classic remarks by military commanders; on February 26, 1991, the US 1st Armored Division, the famous Big Red One, encountered the allegedly elite Iraqi Republican Guard. The divisional commander, Major General Ronald Griffiths, radioed his deputy, who was riding with the armored spearhead. "I understand we are engaging the Medina Division?" he said, referring to one of the crack Iraqi Guard divisions. "Negative, sir," came the reply. "We are destroying the Medina Division."
Great proof that despite their quantity, the Soviet tanks that NATO planners feared above all else could be shredded by the M1 Abrams, Challenger 2, Leopard 2, LeClerc, Ariete, and Merkava with ease. Patton would be proud.

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super_wolverine_Man
Posted: Apr 15 2008, 08:59 PM


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QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 08:33 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 15 2008, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 02:08 PM)
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QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 01:09 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 14 2008, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 14 2008, 11:46 AM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 13 2008, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 12 2008, 07:32 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 12 2008, 12:38 PM)
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QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 11 2008, 03:01 PM)
hey wingman what do you think of these

1. What if the union had initially followed General Scott's plan, rather than to allow General McDowell to do a direct advance leading to the battle of Bull Run.

2. What if Virginia Hadn't seceded from the union

3. What if the south had been allowed to break free from the union and the civil war never happened?

4. What if General Robert E. Lee was shot and killed rather than "Stonewall" Jackson

5. What if the Battle of Gettysburg never happened



i wish more people would reply on these historical threads.

1. I don't know enough about the battle of Bull Run to comment. Sorry.

2. Then General Robert E. Lee would have been leading Union troops from the get-go, and they would have destroyed the Confederacy within six months.

3. Slaves would have had to have waited for much longer until they were free, we wouldn't have become as big a nation as we are now, we would have not participated in WWI, and we wouldn't have had the strength to fight WWII. Soviets would be the current superpower right now, and we would all be speaking Russian, paying our Party dues, and saluting each other as "Comrade".

4. There would be no Arlington National Cemetary, the South would have crumbled without the leadership of their main general, and Jackson simply didn't have the same charm and capability that Lee had, though he was second to none in the support, second in command general position. As supreme officer, he wouldn't have been able to win the war for them.

5. Joshua Laurence Chamberlain wouldn't have become famous...probably, Lee would have attacked Washington instead, and we would not have had our glory as the state in which one of the bloodiest battles in world history took place. Darn.

3. Slaves would have had to have waited for much longer until they were free, we wouldn't have become as big a nation as we are now, we would have not participated in WWI, and we wouldn't have had the strength to fight WWII. Soviets would be the current superpower right now, and we would all be speaking Russian, paying our Party dues, and saluting each other as "Comrade".


man that would suck. angry.gif

Exactly. Only half of the country would exist today, and Russia would have still grown powerful. We probably wouldn't have been able to fight a two front war in WWII against Japan and Germany, and thus Russia would grow strong while we languish.

it's funny things always tend to work out eventually

For the better, that is.

yeah that's im sayin, no matter how bad things get they always tend to workout for teh better

But often it takes strong men who know what they believe and are willing to take the bull by the horns to make things right. The Battle of Gettysburg didn't win itself. Hitler wasn't forced to retreat to the gates of his own city just because he chose to. It took great men to beat them back.

yes, but think about all the bad things that have happened throughout history, they have all eventually led to something good,

But ask yourself, "How were they led to turn out OK?" The concentration camps: liberated by Allied troops. The tyranny of the Saddam Hussein regime: freed by US troops. The attacks by German on Europe during BOTH world wars: stopped and eventually pushed back by British, American, and French troops.

wm i'm talking over the period of a few decades, i'm talking hundreds upon hundreds of years, I mean the dark ages leading to the reniassiance

Well, you're right here.

Thank you


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Wingman
Posted: Apr 15 2008, 09:07 PM


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QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 15 2008, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 08:33 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 15 2008, 02:57 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 02:08 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 15 2008, 10:05 AM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 15 2008, 01:09 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 14 2008, 04:52 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 14 2008, 11:46 AM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 13 2008, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 12 2008, 07:32 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 12 2008, 12:38 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Apr 11 2008, 07:57 PM)
QUOTE (super_wolverine_Man @ Apr 11 2008, 03:01 PM)
hey wingman what do you think of these

1. What if the union had initially followed General Scott's plan, rather than to allow General McDowell to do a direct advance leading to the battle of Bull Run.

2. What if Virginia Hadn't seceded from the union

3. What if the south had been allowed to break free from the union and the civil war never happened?

4. What if General Robert E. Lee was shot and killed rather than "Stonewall" Jackson

5. What if the Battle of Gettysburg never happened



i wish more people would reply on these historical threads.

1. I don't know enough about the battle of Bull Run to comment. Sorry.

2. Then General Robert E. Lee would have been leading Union troops from the get-go, and they would have destroyed the Confederacy within six months.

3. Slaves would have had to have waited for much longer until they were free, we wouldn't have become as big a nation as we are now, we would have not participated in WWI, and we wouldn't have had the strength to fight WWII. Soviets would be the current superpower right now, and we would all be speaking Russian, paying our Party dues, and saluting each other as "Comrade".

4. There would be no Arlington National Cemetary, the South would have crumbled without the leadership of their main general, and Jackson simply didn't have the same charm and capability that Lee had, though he was second to none in the support, second in command general position. As supreme officer, he wouldn't have been able to win the war for them.

5. Joshua Laurence Chamberlain wouldn't have become famous...probably, Lee would have attacked Washington instead, and we would not have had our glory as the state in which one of the bloodiest battles in world history took place. Darn.

3. Slaves would have had to have waited for much longer until they were free, we wouldn't have become as big a nation as we are now, we would have not participated in WWI, and we wouldn't have had the strength to fight WWII. Soviets would be the current superpower right now, and we would all be speaking Russian, paying our Party dues, and saluting each other as "Comrade".


man that would suck. angry.gif

Exactly. Only half of the country would exist today, and Russia would have still grown powerful. We probably wouldn't have been able to fight a two front war in WWII against Japan and Germany, and thus Russia would grow strong while we languish.

it's funny things always tend to work out eventually

For the better, that is.

yeah that's im sayin, no matter how bad things get they always tend to workout for teh better

But often it takes strong men who know what they believe and are willing to take the bull by the horns to make things right. The Battle of Gettysburg didn't win itself. Hitler wasn't forced to retreat to the gates of his own city just because he chose to. It took great men to beat them back.

yes, but think about all the bad things that have happened throughout history, they have all eventually led to something good,

But ask yourself, "How were they led to turn out OK?" The concentration camps: liberated by Allied troops. The tyranny of the Saddam Hussein regime: freed by US troops. The attacks by German on Europe during BOTH world wars: stopped and eventually pushed back by British, American, and French troops.

wm i'm talking over the period of a few decades, i'm talking hundreds upon hundreds of years, I mean the dark ages leading to the reniassiance

Well, you're right here.

Thank you

Sure thing.


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"Never in the course of human history has so much been owed by so many to so few."- Winston Churchill, commenting on the heroic struggles of the RAF against the German Luftwaffe.

----
I don't smoke, I don't chew... and I don't date girls who do.

----

War produces classic remarks by military commanders; on February 26, 1991, the US 1st Armored Division, the famous Big Red One, encountered the allegedly elite Iraqi Republican Guard. The divisional commander, Major General Ronald Griffiths, radioed his deputy, who was riding with the armored spearhead. "I understand we are engaging the Medina Division?" he said, referring to one of the crack Iraqi Guard divisions. "Negative, sir," came the reply. "We are destroying the Medina Division."
Great proof that despite their quantity, the Soviet tanks that NATO planners feared above all else could be shredded by the M1 Abrams, Challenger 2, Leopard 2, LeClerc, Ariete, and Merkava with ease. Patton would be proud.

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