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 Perfect Form of Goverment.
jailer411
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:38 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:36 PM)

You can't. If you actually read through me entire original post you would see that I already covered what you, nesh, and DYGW are saying.

I know, but you asked us for our thoughts, I'm just complying to that.


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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:40 PM


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QUOTE (jailer411 @ Feb 5 2009, 10:35 PM)
We think that shooting five year old girls is wrong because society taught us that. There are different forms of morality.

That was in response to Nesh's post that said that if everyone was the same, then everything would be moral.

If society teaches you something, does it make it true. No, it just means that your opinion of morality is biased, based on that societies teachings.


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:41 PM


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QUOTE (jailer411 @ Feb 5 2009, 10:38 PM)
I know, but you asked us for our thoughts, I'm just complying to that.

I see that. I'm replying to your thoughts, with my own thoughts. It's called a conversation.


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 05:37 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 10:31 PM)

A moral is simoly something a group of people lives by that determines what's accepted as right and wrong.

Even if it is generally accepted as right or wrong, that doesn't mean that it is.

Define what is right. Who decided what was right and wrong, someone who thought it was and convinced the majority to follow him. So "right and "wrong" are only illusions we use to justify and condemn oppinions. For example the Mayans considered human sacrifice to be "right but we think it is "wrong".


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'I'm going to die; if this wasteland doesn't kill me the Avatars will. I'm the last Technomancer; as I go so goes my culture.' The thought was serene, not fearful at all. If he was going to die, he'd die fighting; he'd make sure that the Technomancers were never forgotten. Morshan Sakru: The Last Technomancer would be a name all Avatar would shutter at the thought of for etenity. Morshan now knew what happened to a man who had nothing left to live for but vengence: he became a monster.
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Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM


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If there were a perfect government, would it have a leader?

Who would be this leader, who is perfect?

I don't think so.


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jailer411
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:43 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:40 PM)

That was in response to Nesh's post that said that if everyone was the same, then everything would be moral.

If society teaches you something, does it make it true. No, it just means that your opinion of morality is biased, based on that societies teachings.

I was saying that as well, and sorry about the mis-read.


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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:45 PM


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QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
Define what is right. Who decided what was right and wrong, someone who thought it was and convinced the majority to follow him. So "right and "wrong" are only illusions we use to justify and condemn oppinions. For example the Mayans considered human sacrifice to be "right but we think it is "wrong".

Gee, I wish I would have thought of that!



"A perfect form of goverment cannot be created because people's ideas of virtue, Justice, and morality are not the same, and the concepts of right, and wrong are debateable. "

"In order for a perfect goverment to exsist there can be no desire, and the concepts of right, and wrong must be undeniable, and universally accepted by all peoples. "


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

Grano's so gangster.
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Solomon
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QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
If there were a perfect government, would it have a leader?

Who would be this leader, who is perfect?

I don't think so.

Would it have a leader?


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

Grano's so gangster.
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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:46 PM


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QUOTE (jailer411 @ Feb 5 2009, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:40 PM)

That was in response to Nesh's post that said that if everyone was the same, then everything would be moral.

If society teaches you something, does it make it true. No, it just means that your opinion of morality is biased, based on that societies teachings.

I was saying that as well, and sorry about the mis-read.

Don't worry about it.


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

Grano's so gangster.
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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:47 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 05:45 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
Define what is right.  Who decided what was right and wrong, someone who thought it was and convinced the majority to follow him.  So "right and "wrong" are only illusions we use to justify and condemn oppinions.  For example the Mayans considered human sacrifice to be "right but we think it is "wrong".

Gee, I wish I would have thought of that!



"A perfect form of goverment cannot be created because people's ideas of virtue, Justice, and morality are not the same, and the concepts of right, and wrong are debateable. "

"In order for a perfect goverment to exsist there can be no desire, and the concepts of right, and wrong must be undeniable, and universally accepted by all peoples. "

This is why I think the perfect govenment is none at all.


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'I'm going to die; if this wasteland doesn't kill me the Avatars will. I'm the last Technomancer; as I go so goes my culture.' The thought was serene, not fearful at all. If he was going to die, he'd die fighting; he'd make sure that the Technomancers were never forgotten. Morshan Sakru: The Last Technomancer would be a name all Avatar would shutter at the thought of for etenity. Morshan now knew what happened to a man who had nothing left to live for but vengence: he became a monster.
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Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:48 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
If there were a perfect government, would it have a leader?

Who would be this leader, who is perfect?

I don't think so.

Would it have a leader?

that's question #1


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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:49 PM


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QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 10:48 PM)
QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
If there were a perfect government, would it have a leader?

Who would be this leader, who is perfect?

I don't think so.

Would it have a leader?

that's question #1

My bad.


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

Grano's so gangster.
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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:50 PM


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QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 10:47 PM)
QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 05:45 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
Define what is right.  Who decided what was right and wrong, someone who thought it was and convinced the majority to follow him.  So "right and "wrong" are only illusions we use to justify and condemn oppinions.  For example the Mayans considered human sacrifice to be "right but we think it is "wrong".

Gee, I wish I would have thought of that!



"A perfect form of goverment cannot be created because people's ideas of virtue, Justice, and morality are not the same, and the concepts of right, and wrong are debateable. "

"In order for a perfect goverment to exsist there can be no desire, and the concepts of right, and wrong must be undeniable, and universally accepted by all peoples. "

This is why I think the perfect govenment is none at all.

So I we agree with each other.


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

Grano's so gangster.
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Pseudonym
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:51 PM


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NO, Anarchy=Bad.

"Kill the pig, cut her throat, spill her blood."


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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:52 PM


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QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 05:48 PM)
QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 10:45 PM)
QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 10:42 PM)
If there were a perfect government, would it have a leader?

Who would be this leader, who is perfect?

I don't think so.

Would it have a leader?

that's question #1

It would need a leader for organizational purposes, but all they could really do is deligate responsiblity for it to work and come up with some uninamouly accepted punishment as consequences for not doing your work qnd then isolate the society.


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'I'm going to die; if this wasteland doesn't kill me the Avatars will. I'm the last Technomancer; as I go so goes my culture.' The thought was serene, not fearful at all. If he was going to die, he'd die fighting; he'd make sure that the Technomancers were never forgotten. Morshan Sakru: The Last Technomancer would be a name all Avatar would shutter at the thought of for etenity. Morshan now knew what happened to a man who had nothing left to live for but vengence: he became a monster.
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