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 Perfect Form of Goverment.
Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 09:23 PM


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Is there any form of Goverment that is perfect? Is it possible to create a perfect form of goverment?

In my opinion no form of goverment in exsistence today, or throughout history is/has been perfect. All forms of goverment have taken away basic principles of human nature, mainly Justice, Virtue, desire, and morality. Taking a look at some of the more well known forms of goverment their flaws are easy to see...


Democracy- Based on majority rule, rather than morality

Republic- Based on accepted ideas of a small collection of elite individuals determined by the majority. Which adhere's to human greed, rather than Justice, and Virtue

Communism/Socialism- Based on the forced equality of all people;dervies people of their desires, hopes, and dreams.

So no I don't think that there has been a perfect form of goverment, but is it possible? In order for a perfect goverment to exsist there can be no desire, and the concepts of right, and wrong must be undeniable, and universally accepted by all peoples. Secondly, the people must govern themselves individually, but at the same time dictate the rest of society based on virtue, which must be universally accepted...which is impossible.

A perfect form of goverment cannot be created because people's ideas of virtue, Justice, and morality are not the same, and the concepts of right, and wrong are debateable.


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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 09:31 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:23 PM)
Is there any form of Goverment that is perfect? Is it possible to create a perfect form of goverment?

In my opinion no form of goverment in exsistence today, or throughout history is/has been perfect. All forms of goverment have taken away basic principles of human nature, mainly Justice, Virtue, desire, and morality. Taking a look at some of the more well known forms of goverment their flaws are easy to see...


Democracy- Based on majority rule, rather than morality

Republic- Based on accepted ideas of a small collection of elite individuals determined by the majority. Which adhere's to human greed, rather than Justice, and Virtue

Communism/Socialism- Based on the forced equality of all people;dervies people of their desires, hopes, and dreams.

So no I don't think that there has been a perfect form of goverment, but is it possible? In order for a perfect goverment to exsist there can be no desire, and the concepts of right, and wrong must be undeniable, and universally accepted by all peoples. Secondly, the people must govern themselves individually, but at the same time dictate the rest of society based on virtue, which must be universally accepted...which is impossible.

A perfect form of goverment cannot be created because people's ideas of virtue, Justice, and morality are not the same, and the concepts of right, and wrong are debateable.


Your thoughts?

Anarchism. It could work in a modern world like this, because pople will still need an d want things, so factories and stores will stay running. Most likely pople will set up a brdering systen to get what they need: Tootpaste for bread kind of thing. Trrue you could kill and steal what you wanted but someone would take revenge.


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Solomon
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tootpaste? laugh.gif


Anyways, no I don't think that Anarchy works, beacuse it destroys social order, causes chaos, and causes humans to return to primitive tendecies.


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jailer411
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There is no utopia that exists. Whenever something is going well, certain groups of people ruin it. It Man kinds major flaw, we weren't made to live in peace. Every person is different, you can't please them all. If their was a government where everyone was succesfuly brainwashed though, it might work, but even the ones in power have to be brainwashed. By that, I mean getting rid of our human nature........I have no idea what I'm talking about


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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 09:40 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:35 PM)
tootpaste? laugh.gif


Anyways, no I don't think that Anarchy works, beacuse it destroys social order, causes chaos, and causes humans to return to primitive tendecies.

Primitive humans, lived through the Ice Age and modern men would die. Let's be primitive.


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Solomon
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QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 09:40 PM)
QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:35 PM)
tootpaste?  laugh.gif


Anyways, no I don't think that Anarchy works, beacuse it destroys social order, causes chaos, and causes humans to return to primitive tendecies.

Primitive humans, lived through the Ice Age and modern men would die. Let's be primitive.

Yes, let's all kill each other, and take each others stuff. It'll be great, having to worry about dying with no hope of protection from anybody. I'm sure that will make everyone real happy.


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"The first shot rang out from somewhere and I heard a bullet wiz by my face. With my pump action shotgun ready, I shoot the first fool I see."

Grano's so gangster.
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jailer411
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Communism is proof that there's no perfect government. On paper, communisim had no flaws, literaly. Although, they didn't account for one thing that can't be planned out, human nature. The perfect government will never exist.


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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 09:47 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:42 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Feb 5 2009, 09:40 PM)
QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:35 PM)
tootpaste?  laugh.gif


Anyways, no I don't think that Anarchy works, beacuse it destroys social order, causes chaos, and causes humans to return to primitive tendecies.

Primitive humans, lived through the Ice Age and modern men would die. Let's be primitive.

Yes, let's all kill each other, and take each others stuff. It'll be great, having to worry about dying with no hope of protection from anybody. I'm sure that will make everyone real happy.

Well absolute Monarcy then, The promblem with democracy is that too many people have a voice so somebody's always whonong and nothing gets done. Back int the middle ages, things got done and people ruled vast empire suntil they gocky and overthrown then a new monarch came in and the cycle begins agian.


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jailer411
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:07 PM


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I think it's pretty much impossible to make a perfect goverment, unless everybody was the same.


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Solomon
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:09 PM


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QUOTE (jailer411 @ Feb 5 2009, 10:07 PM)
I think it's pretty much impossible to make a perfect goverment, unless everybody was the same.

Even if everyone was the same, everyone would have to be perfect as well. Once again perfection is an opinion. Which means that even if everyone was the same, it still wouldn't be perfect.


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jailer411
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:13 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 04:09 PM)

Even if everyone was the same, everyone would have to be perfect as well. Once again perfection is an opinion. Which means that even if everyone was the same, it still wouldn't be perfect.

Then that would mean nothing is absolutly perfect. Why is it a word if it can't be achived? I know humans can't achive it, but what can?


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Pseudonym
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Of course nothing is perfect.


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Guardian of Nesh
Posted: Feb 5 2009, 10:16 PM


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QUOTE (Solomon @ Feb 5 2009, 05:09 PM)
QUOTE (jailer411 @ Feb 5 2009, 10:07 PM)
I think it's pretty much impossible to make a perfect goverment, unless everybody was the same.

Even if everyone was the same, everyone would have to be perfect as well. Once again perfection is an opinion. Which means that even if everyone was the same, it still wouldn't be perfect.

If everyone was the same then tey'd think the same and everybody would agree so it would be perfect.


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'I'm going to die; if this wasteland doesn't kill me the Avatars will. I'm the last Technomancer; as I go so goes my culture.' The thought was serene, not fearful at all. If he was going to die, he'd die fighting; he'd make sure that the Technomancers were never forgotten. Morshan Sakru: The Last Technomancer would be a name all Avatar would shutter at the thought of for etenity. Morshan now knew what happened to a man who had nothing left to live for but vengence: he became a monster.
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jailer411
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QUOTE (Pseudonym @ Feb 5 2009, 04:14 PM)
Of course nothing is perfect.

Then the question still needs to be asked, if perfection could never be reached, a perfect Government could not exist. I doubt we could come up with an anwser.


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Solomon
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QUOTE (jailer411 @ Feb 5 2009, 10:13 PM)
Then that would mean nothing is absolutly perfect. Why is it a word if it can't be achived? I know humans can't achive it, but what can?

Nothing can be perfect. Perfection is a word because people use it in their fantasies to describe something that is without fault.


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