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Haven Of Wiidom > Guantlet fights > Mideval world vs. Modern weapons


Posted by: The Last Technomancer Apr 27 2009, 09:53 PM
A time-traveling villian takes a force of 5,000 soldiers, 200 tanks, and three battleships into the Mideval world can they be stopped?

Posted by: Judge Death Apr 27 2009, 09:54 PM
No. Not unless the medieval world is armed with unicorns and wizards laugh.gif

Posted by: Marvel Man Apr 27 2009, 10:31 PM
Well, sooner or later, the modern group would run out of ammo/gasoline forcing them to go hand to hand.

Since they're heavily outnumbered (5,000?! That's a town! Against the world?!), they go down.
Africa stops them.

Posted by: Granobulax Apr 27 2009, 10:32 PM
Not likely. They would run out of ammo eventually, but they would rule the world by that time.

Posted by: MarvelFan15 Apr 28 2009, 12:40 AM
The battle ships would be able to pack a lot more ammo, and wreck havock.


The modern world conqures. sterb002.gif

Posted by: Phalanx Apr 28 2009, 01:09 AM
Modern world rapestomps, unless ancient gods/heroes/creatures from mythology and wizards from folklore are real enough to give a damn to appear and then turn the stomp the other way.

Posted by: Marvel Man Apr 28 2009, 02:12 AM
It's just 5,000 men.

Depending on the year, (prior to Black Death Plague), the population could be in the millions/multi millions.

Each man would have to kill a huge number, and that is, without being killed themselves.
Just think about it.

Tanks = Left to rust. They might help with the immediate area, but lack of gasoline/roads, doom the tanks.

5,000 = This army is pitiful. Not even a legion. Against a true army (Africa had great empires in the MA), they'd be overrun.

Battleships = The battleships only reach as far as the sea can take them. Useless in deep Asia, Africa, etc.

Seriosly. Against Mali, of another African Empire, they'd be wasted.
In Europe, the Pope would rally the world against them. The thick forests would slow them down, allowing the kingdoms to united.

They then drive out the foreigners!

Posted by: Omega11 Apr 28 2009, 03:28 AM
QUOTE (Marvel Man @ Apr 27 2009, 09:12 PM)
It's just 5,000 men.

Depending on the year, (prior to Black Death Plague), the population could be in the millions/multi millions.

Each man would have to kill a huge number, and that is, without being killed themselves.
Just think about it.

Tanks = Left to rust. They might help with the immediate area, but lack of gasoline/roads, doom the tanks.

5,000 = This army is pitiful. Not even a legion. Against a true army (Africa had great empires in the MA), they'd be overrun.

Battleships = The battleships only reach as far as the sea can take them. Useless in deep Asia, Africa, etc.

Seriosly. Against Mali, of another African Empire, they'd be wasted.
In Europe, the Pope would rally the world against them. The thick forests would slow them down, allowing the kingdoms to united.

They then drive out the foreigners!

Agreed, with limited resources the modern army doesn't have the staying power to conquer...well anything really.

They can certainly win a battle by a landslide, but after that (once their opponents realize that direct confrontation is suicide) they can't chase them down forever.

Assuming the modern armies have unlimited supplies somehow, then pretty much a single tank could probably defeat the entire medieval world(although it would obviously need transportation across the ocean).

Posted by: Granobulax Apr 28 2009, 03:54 AM
The ammount of ammunition those battleships would have on them would most likely be enough to power that 5,000 man army for months. The ships would be able to transport them throughout the world. There would also be a large amount of feul on those ships as well.

It wouldn't take long for this crew to destroy everything in it's path.

Posted by: Omega11 Apr 28 2009, 04:26 AM
QUOTE (Granobulax @ Apr 27 2009, 10:54 PM)
The ammount of ammunition those battleships would have on them would most likely be enough to power that 5,000 man army for months. The ships would be able to transport them throughout the world. There would also be a large amount of feul on those ships as well.

It wouldn't take long for this crew to destroy everything in it's path.

True, but still the army wouldn't be able to get very far inland because they'd run out of supplies. Not only that but anyone not in a tank(the majority) is still vulnerable to arrows.

Guerrilla warfare would wear down their numbers and, like I said, ultimately they just can't go too far inland.

I'm thinking that force could feasibly take England...but that's about it. And even that depends on the numbers/organization of the English. 5,000 is a paltry force to try to conquer anything more than a city.

Posted by: Granobulax Apr 28 2009, 04:57 AM
That's just the thing. All they have to do is capture the major cities of the world and everything is theirs. Why would they have to go to the middle of the African jungle?

Posted by: Omega11 Apr 28 2009, 05:17 AM
QUOTE (Granobulax @ Apr 27 2009, 11:57 PM)
That's just the thing. All they have to do is capture the major cities of the world and everything is theirs. Why would they have to go to the middle of the African jungle?

First of all, splitting up the already miniscule force of 5,000 to occupy dozens of different cities at once isn't going to work well. The three battleships can't be everywhere, several groups will run out of supplies and be overwhelmed.

Secondly, most of the opposing forces would simply relocate if driven out of their major cities.

And lastly, since when does being in control of several major cities equal world domination?

Posted by: GruntKilla06 Apr 28 2009, 05:20 AM
Yeah, MM and Omega pretty much covered it. They have far too few troops and limited supplies. Add that to the fact that the tanks and battleships can't go all over the place and they are screwed...

Posted by: Granobulax Apr 28 2009, 12:14 PM
QUOTE (Omega11 @ Apr 28 2009, 05:17 AM)
First of all, splitting up the already miniscule force of 5,000 to occupy dozens of different cities at once isn't going to work well. The three battleships can't be everywhere, several groups will run out of supplies and be overwhelmed.

Secondly, most of the opposing forces would simply relocate if driven out of their major cities.

And lastly, since when does being in control of several major cities equal world domination?

If you secure the major trade routes, you have control. Look at Mexico. If you took control of Mexico City, you've essentially taken control of the country. Same thing goes for the old world.

Posted by: Omega11 Apr 28 2009, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (Granobulax @ Apr 28 2009, 07:14 AM)
If you secure the major trade routes, you have control. Look at Mexico. If you took control of Mexico City, you've essentially taken control of the country. Same thing goes for the old world.

Apparently you and I greatly differ on our definition of world domination.

And anyway, my other points stand. Dividing their forces will only result in them losing part of their forces.

Then there's the fact that capturing a city and holding a city are two very different things. Capturing a city is relatively easy with extremely superior firepower, but holding a city is nearly impossible(even with superior firepower) if you're outnumbered 1,000 to 1.

Posted by: Darkender Apr 28 2009, 10:24 PM
Not enough people to take over the world, but they could probably get to Africa at least.

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