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Title: The best fighter aircraft...EVER


Wingman - April 28, 2008 07:37 PM (GMT)
There are innumerable possible answers for this topic, making a poll useless. There are no clear cut favorites, and I myself can't nail one down decisively. The Me 262 Swallow, the P-51 Mustang, the F-15 Eagle, the F-14 Tomcat, the Supermarine Spitfire, the F6C Hellcat, the F-86 Sabre, the MiG-15/MiG-17, the Me 109, the P-38 Black Widow, the F-4 Phantom, the Sopwith Camel, the Mitsubishi Zero, the MiG-21, the Eurofighter Typhoon, the F/A-22 Raptor, the BaE Systems Harrier Mk. II, the freakin' Wright Flyer; all could be possible answers. Post your choice for greatest fighter plane of them all, and try to give as convincing argument as you can. Bombers and/or dedicated attack aircraft don't count. Post away!!

hamboy - April 28, 2008 08:04 PM (GMT)
Do we take into account the time in which it was created, which basically is a question of "which was the most ahead of it's time", or do we just dump all planes into a big arena and say who wins? Or do we enterpret the question how we want?

Wingman - April 28, 2008 08:25 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Apr 28 2008, 04:04 PM)
Do we take into account the time in which it was created, which basically is a question of "which was the most ahead of it's time", or do we just dump all planes into a big arena and say who wins? Or do we enterpret the question how we want?

You can answer all of those if you want. Hmm, maybe I didn't phrase it well enough. Basically, which made the greatest impact on it's day, taking into account it's war record (if any), kill rate (example: the F6 Hellcat had a 30:1 kill ratio, greater than any other US fighter), production rate, engineering and design innovations and improvements, fear factor (how much the enemy peed their pans just KNOWING it was out there), and length of service. Take these all into account, then try to find the one which best fulfills all these. It's hard, and there seems to be no clear cut winner. For instance, the Me 262 was probably off the charts on innovation and fear factor, but it only served about 3 years, and it didn't really achieve the kind of success Hitler as hoping. I didn't say this would be easy, but it'll be one heck of a discussion if we get several people willing to argue their case here.

Darth Pool - April 28, 2008 11:15 PM (GMT)
Meh I'll always love my F-18 Hornets :P

boston_celtics - April 29, 2008 12:48 AM (GMT)
So I suppose the Stealth Bomber doesn't count so...

The Mustang. Was the deciding factor in Europe, and destroyed the German Airforce (don't know how to spell it), and was the only American fighter that really countered the effectiveness of the Japanese Zero.

Plus, they flew those things in Korea, and they were shooting down MIG's with them.

Wingman - April 29, 2008 01:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (boston_celtics @ Apr 28 2008, 08:48 PM)
So I suppose the Stealth Bomber doesn't count so...

The Mustang. Was the deciding factor in Europe, and destroyed the German Airforce (don't know how to spell it), and was the only American fighter that really countered the effectiveness of the Japanese Zero.

Plus, they flew those things in Korea, and they were shooting down MIG's with them.

The Luftwaffe, actually. And don't forget the P-38 Lightning and F6 Hellcat. The Mustange didn't see that much service in the Pacific theater, since they didn't operate off carriers and they didn't have the range to be based off of islands and then escort long range bombers. The P-38, and to a lesser extent, the P-61, did, and and he Hellcat saw most of the action, since it was carrier based.

My opinion? The Mustang is pretty high up there, as well as the Hellcat. That baby turned the tide against the Zeros, outperforming it in nearly every category. Grumman sure as heck knows how to build a good bird when they need to. In terms of importance, I simply do not think the Battle of Britain could have been won without the Spitfire. No offense to the Hurricanes, but they weren't as good as the Me-109s. The Spitfire was, and they built THOUSANDS of them. It is also very beautiful and asthetically pleasing. I'll go with the Mustang, ultimately, because of it's war record, performance, rate of manufacture, length of service, and fear factor it generated from the Germans. The F6 Hellcat comes in a close second, since it won the air battle in the Pacific, and has the greatest kill ratio on any fighter during WWII, and one of the best of any fighter ever.

I know it's not a category, but I also want a mention for the good ol' F-15 Eagle. Until the Sovs came out with the Flanker and it's more advanced brothers, the Sparrow shooter was tops in the world. It is also the only US fighter to have an undefeated record in combat, with something like 60 kills with no combat losses. Most of those came from the Israelis beating the tar out of Syrian and Egyptian MiGs, but is still shows the quality of the aircraft. And for a Navy fighter, you will never, EVER be able to top the F-14D Tomcat. I actually cried when I heard that they would be retired, and most of them scrapped. An aircraft that can target and engage six bandits from 100 miles away is an awesome naval asset for the Nimitz carriers, but the Super Hornets, as versatile and formidable as they are, will never be able to replace that loss of Phoenix carrying capability. Sorry, Darth Pool. No offense.

There. That's off my chest now.

granobulax - June 3, 2008 01:31 AM (GMT)
I've always been a fan of the F-14 Tomcat. The retractable wings were the coolest! Too bad they were retired... :(

Wingman - June 3, 2008 02:13 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (granobulax @ Jun 2 2008, 09:31 PM)
I've always been a fan of the F-14 Tomcat. The retractable wings were the coolest! Too bad they were retired... :(

My dad and I saw a special on the Military Channel about them retiring the F-14. When they showed them putting the empty frames in the crusher, so that Iran doesn't get any important components for their Tomcats, I almost cried, it was so sad. Such a famous and venerable fighter, gone.

So I definitely hear ya, granobulax.

Leo Sanders - June 17, 2008 04:40 AM (GMT)
I like the little blue angels.

Wingman - June 17, 2008 12:08 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leo Sanders @ Jun 17 2008, 12:40 AM)
I like the little blue angels.

What do you mean "little"?

Darth Pool - June 20, 2008 03:19 AM (GMT)
The CF-18 hornets always has a place in my heart. The thing is like a viper, BUT FLYING!!

Wingman - June 20, 2008 12:18 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Darth Pool @ Jun 19 2008, 11:19 PM)
The CF-18 hornets always has a place in my heart. The thing is like a viper, BUT FLYING!!

Will you guys ever be able to upgrade to the Super Hornets? We have em', and they're capabilities are far greater than previous models. More powerful engines, greater fuel load (like 80% more), two extra hardpoints, and improved avionics and such.

Darth Pool - June 21, 2008 11:10 PM (GMT)
Dunno, basically they give me the plane and I fly 'em can't say much more 'bout it than that but yeah thats basically it. And no I'll never hold another plane in my heart, The CF-18 is my favorite.

Wingman - June 23, 2008 12:38 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Darth Pool @ Jun 21 2008, 07:10 PM)
Dunno, basically they give me the plane and I fly 'em can't say much more 'bout it than that but yeah thats basically it. And no I'll never hold another plane in my heart, The CF-18 is my favorite.

But all it is is an upgrade to the CF-18, if Canada buys them. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Darth Pool - June 23, 2008 01:03 AM (GMT)
It changes the perfect plane!

Wingman - June 23, 2008 01:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Darth Pool @ Jun 22 2008, 09:03 PM)
It changes the perfect plane!

It improves it. Any aircraft can be improved.. can't it? :unsure:

Darth Pool - June 23, 2008 03:06 AM (GMT)
Its true it'll make it fly better, aim better and so on, but it makes it different from the thing it was before! a masterpiece built for pilots!

Wingman - June 23, 2008 12:10 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Darth Pool @ Jun 22 2008, 11:06 PM)
Its true it'll make it fly better, aim better and so on, but it makes it different from the thing it was before! a masterpiece built for pilots!

Alright, that makes sense.

Still, the new F-22's are the best, at least for a fighter. The 18's are probably the best multirole aircraft out there, either it or the F-16 Falcon.




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