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Title: My discourse on DBZ power


Guardian of Nesh - March 13, 2009 09:54 PM (GMT)
NOTE: For this discourse Movies 8, 9, 10, and the Bardock special will be considered canon as all CAN and DO fit into the DBZ timeline.

First of all we did have planet busters in the Saiyan saga.

Evidence: Frieza destroys planet Vegeta Here Frieza in his first form easily charges a planet buster and takes out a planet significantly larger than Earth without even 1% of his power.

Here Frieza put some effort in and Vegeta, albeit barely matches him: Vegeta vs Frieza (First form) Now this is pretty much right after the battle on Earth so Vegeta's power level couldn't have increased that much. This evidence makes This following claim from Vegeta in the Saiyan Saga true:
Vegeta attemps to destroy Earth Long stroy short Vegeta was a planet buster back then.

Later in the Frieza saga Goku fights Frieza at 2% power and matches him before going Super Saiyan and affter going Super Saiyan defeats Frieza at 100% power, that's a 50x boost (consistant for all Super Saiyan levels) this tells us that Super Saiyans at base are at least Multi-planet to Solar System busters.

Fast-Foward to the ten day wait for the Cell Game and the first Broly move. In this movie with his power restricted Brolly nuked most of the South Galaxay leaving, presumbably only New planet Vegeta and its surrounding Solar System intact on Paragus' orders to keep up appearances as seen here:
Destruction of South Galaxy Note how the destruction is moving in all directions at once indicating one blast. With this evidence we can see that at full power Broly is easily a Galaxay busteer if not a multi-Galaxay buster; this leads people to belive that he is about SS3 level. This assumption is false, as Brolly is not even SS2 level.

Evidence:

In Movie 8 Broly fought 2 FpSSJs (Goku and Gohan), 2 USSJs (Trunks and Vegeta, albeit they were not using mtheir max power for fear of speed loss.) and a Super Namekian (Piccolo). While Broly dominates he is no where near an SS2 level. These same Z figters (minus Gohan) fought and were defeated by Cell Jrs. as easily as they were Broly and this is what an SS2 did to them:
Gohan vs Cell Jrs. Brolly did not one-shot the Z fighters as Gohan did the Cell Jrs. and therefore is not SS2 level. He is however more durable and powerful than Perfect Cell as seen here:
Goku's Kamehameha against Brolly Here's what he same attack did to Perfect Cell:
Goku's Kamehameha against Cell This shows us that Broly is more powerful than Perfect Cell, somewhere around Super Saiyan 3rd grade without loss of speed as evidenced by Cell's qoute at the end of this video here:
Cell admits Trunks is stronger and by Trunks' tranformation into USSJ The end result is much like Broly, right down to pupiless eyes until he regains his senses. Broly is nothing more than a USSJ that lost control. Many people think that this argument is invalid because Gohan went SS2 in Movie 10: Brolly's Second Coming, this is also false. Every time Gohan went SS2 he had lightning ing in his arua: against Cell,against Bojack in movie 9, and at the World Tornament. Here is Gohan's Transformation against Broly in Movie 10, no lightning so that means he was SS1. This reinforces my point about Brolly's power, Gohan was a FPSSJ1 Goku tried the same thing against Cell but was unsuccessful and weaker than Cell unlike Trunks. If Brolly had been as strong as some claim he wouldn't have needed LSSJ to beat Gohan.

Now all of this has only been up to SS2, let's examine SS3 shall we? Majin Vegeta was an SS2 even beyond Gohan and Super Perfect Cell and he couldn't defeat Fat Buu with all his power. SS3 Goku manhandled Fat Buu. At this point SS3s are most likely Glaxay Cluster busters Mystic Gohan and above being at least multi-cluster busters. DBZ is stonger than you'd think.

Marvel Man - March 13, 2009 10:37 PM (GMT)
....Great....

DBZ's strong?

I had no idea. :Darkrender:
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Seriously, I try to avoid this sort of thing on the CBUB.
No offense, I just don't like to talk about this...

Guardian of Nesh - March 13, 2009 10:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Marvel Man @ Mar 13 2009, 05:37 PM)
....Great....

DBZ's strong?

I had no idea. :Darkrender:
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Seriously, I try to avoid this sort of thing on the CBUB.
No offense, I just don't like to talk about this...

I meant no offense to anyone and at least I'm providing logical evidence.

MarvelFan15 - March 13, 2009 10:49 PM (GMT)
DBZ is borderline anoying because of their fanboys. I have read the manga, and found it to be very enjoyable, but...the fanboys still get to me.

However, the movies are not considered true cannon, and neither is filler...but they're cannon here. :Darkrender:

Guardian of Nesh - March 13, 2009 10:52 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:49 PM)
DBZ is borderline anoying because of their fanboys. I have read the manga, and found it to be very enjoyable, but...the fanboys still get to me.

However, the movies are not considered true cannon, and neither is filler...but they're cannon here. :Darkrender:

All those movies fit into the canonon timeline, that's why I used them. Which part was filler though?

MarvelFan15 - March 13, 2009 10:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Mar 13 2009, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:49 PM)
DBZ is borderline anoying because of their fanboys. I have read the manga, and found it to be very enjoyable, but...the fanboys still get to me.

However, the movies are not considered true cannon, and neither is filler...but they're cannon here. :Darkrender:

All those movies fit into the canonon timeline, that's why I used them. Which part was filler though?

They fit into the timeline, but they're not true cannon. When has the manga ever referred to them? The filler in the TV show is what I'm talking about. I do understand why you used them, though.

Also...could you check out my "Stomp!" subject? Thanks.

MarvelFan15 - March 13, 2009 10:59 PM (GMT)
Another thing...Goku at SS3 level, didn't come close to man-handling Buu. They were practically even.

Guardian of Nesh - March 13, 2009 11:00 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:56 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Mar 13 2009, 10:52 PM)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:49 PM)
DBZ is borderline anoying because of their fanboys. I have read the manga, and found it to be very enjoyable, but...the fanboys still get to me.

However, the movies are not considered true cannon, and neither is filler...but they're cannon here. :Darkrender:

All those movies fit into the canonon timeline, that's why I used them. Which part was filler though?

They fit into the timeline, but they're not true cannon. When has the manga ever referred to them? The filler in the TV show is what I'm talking about. I do understand why you used them, though.

Also...could you check out my "Stomp!" subject? Thanks.

I'll check out "Stomp" for you. Well ignoring the "true Canon" thing (Bardock however is true canon he was added to the manga after the special.) How'd I do?

Guardian of Nesh - March 13, 2009 11:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:59 PM)
Another thing...Goku at SS3 level, didn't come close to man-handling Buu. They were practically even.

If you watch his fight with Fatbuu, Goku was whooping arse.

MarvelFan15 - March 13, 2009 11:03 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Mar 13 2009, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:59 PM)
Another thing...Goku at SS3 level, didn't come close to man-handling Buu. They were practically even.

If you watch his fight with Fatbuu, Goku was whooping arse.

Again: Filler. In the manga, Buu was womping back...And to your other post. You did excellent on this. ;)

Marvel Man - March 13, 2009 11:14 PM (GMT)
This was well done.

That, I must conclude...

Guardian of Nesh - March 13, 2009 11:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 06:03 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Mar 13 2009, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:59 PM)
Another thing...Goku at SS3 level, didn't come close to man-handling Buu. They were practically even.

If you watch his fight with Fatbuu, Goku was whooping arse.

Again: Filler. In the manga, Buu was womping back...And to your other post. You did excellent on this. ;)

I just read the manga online, Buu did better but was getting his butt kicked.

MarvelFan15 - March 14, 2009 02:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Mar 13 2009, 11:17 PM)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 06:03 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian of Nesh @ Mar 13 2009, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE (MarvelFan15 @ Mar 13 2009, 05:59 PM)
Another thing...Goku at SS3 level, didn't come close to man-handling Buu. They were practically even.

If you watch his fight with Fatbuu, Goku was whooping arse.

Again: Filler. In the manga, Buu was womping back...And to your other post. You did excellent on this. ;)

I just read the manga online, Buu did better but was getting his butt kicked.

No. Granted, Goku was getting more hits in, but Buu was not nearly as experienced. True, he did efortlessly defeat Vegeta, Supreme Kai, and Gohan, but he was so far superior to them that skill wasn't a factor.

Therefor, he didn't really learn anything new. That's why Goku got all those hits in. However, halfway through the fight, Buu began to catch on, and started to block, and parrie, and finally landed an uppercut on Goku.

Then, Goku cut the fight short because he was technically dead, and had to return to the afterlife. Had he been alive, and continued to fight, Buu would have learned even more, and things could have turned out differently.




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