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Title: 300 Spartans vs. King Xerxes
Description: Who would've won...with a twist


Wingman - January 25, 2008 02:37 PM (GMT)
Imagine if the Greek traitor had not shown the Persians the secret mountain path that allowed them to out flank the Spartans. If the Battle of Thermopylae had continued, with some 700 Spartans and another 1500 Thessalians guarding the Hot Gates, how long could the Greek force have held out against Xerxes? Reports from historians and experts suggest that the Greeks suffered very few loses in the first two days of the battle, which were the days that the Persians were attacking from only one side...the front. The Greek phalanx technique worked brilliantly against Persia's less well armored and lighter armed forces, but what if it was pushed to it's limit. Lets say that the Greeks in the pass needed to hold it for 14 days before futher reinforcements would arrive. Could they have done it? Could they hold against the onslaught of the Persian army? Or would the sheer numbers of the "barbarians" beat down the Spartans and their allies? Vote now!!

hamboy - January 25, 2008 05:03 PM (GMT)
Reality? They can actually win, not just hold off. The Phalanx was increadibly effective, almost as good in real life as in the comic/movie, not to mention that in reality there were more of tyhem, and that they were smart enough to wear armour.

Wingman - January 25, 2008 09:05 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 25 2008, 12:03 PM)
Reality? They can actually win, not just hold off. The Phalanx was increadibly effective, almost as good in real life as in the comic/movie, not to mention that in reality there were more of tyhem, and that they were smart enough to wear armour.

See, that's what I thought, too, because nobody could do jack against the phalanx until the legions came along. I was wanting other peoples' opinions about if they could hold up against the kinds of numbers Xerxes had. He had over two hundred thousand soldiers.

The Ripper - January 26, 2008 12:00 AM (GMT)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

SilverSurfer092 - January 26, 2008 01:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Wingman - January 26, 2008 01:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:23 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Hey Surfer, let him in. What's wrong with Ripper? He's got just as much right to his opinion as you or I do. Just chill.

SilverSurfer092 - January 26, 2008 01:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:23 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Hey Surfer, let him in. What's wrong with Ripper? He's got just as much right to his opinion as you or I do. Just chill.

No. You don't understand. I doubt you will. You would have to be there and you weren't. Hamboy was. Bassetman was. Ripper, unfortunately, was. Sharpshooter was. You don't want him involved with anything Persia or 300. He got banned, hated, despised, had "You're the worst piece of scum in the world. Leave us alone," told to him by just about everyone. So, please, if you don't know WTF is going on, stay out of the conversation.

hellbentnow - January 26, 2008 02:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:23 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Hey Surfer, let him in. What's wrong with Ripper? He's got just as much right to his opinion as you or I do. Just chill.

It not that but never let the ripper get into a thread with Persians in it. (That is the reason he was blocked on the Cbub boards)

Wingman - January 26, 2008 02:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hellbentnow @ Jan 25 2008, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:23 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Hey Surfer, let him in. What's wrong with Ripper? He's got just as much right to his opinion as you or I do. Just chill.

It not that but never let the ripper get into a thread with Persians in it. (That is the reason he was blocked on the Cbub boards)

I'm out of the loop here, Hellbend. Why did he get banned over talking about the 300 Spartans?

SilverSurfer092 - January 26, 2008 03:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 02:44 AM)
QUOTE (hellbentnow @ Jan 25 2008, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:23 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Hey Surfer, let him in. What's wrong with Ripper? He's got just as much right to his opinion as you or I do. Just chill.

It not that but never let the ripper get into a thread with Persians in it. (That is the reason he was blocked on the Cbub boards)

I'm out of the loop here, Hellbend. Why did he get banned over talking about the 300 Spartans?

Look, drop it. You don't know what happened. All that needs happen is don't let Ripper into anything Persian or 300. Okay. He knows what he did, that's all that matters.

Wingman - January 26, 2008 03:14 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 10:12 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 02:44 AM)
QUOTE (hellbentnow @ Jan 25 2008, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 26 2008, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 25 2008, 08:23 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 26 2008, 12:00 AM)
If you don't wish for my argument, I won't touch this thread with a ten foot pole!

Yes. You stay away.

Hey Surfer, let him in. What's wrong with Ripper? He's got just as much right to his opinion as you or I do. Just chill.

It not that but never let the ripper get into a thread with Persians in it. (That is the reason he was blocked on the Cbub boards)

I'm out of the loop here, Hellbend. Why did he get banned over talking about the 300 Spartans?

Look, drop it. You don't know what happened. All that needs happen is don't let Ripper into anything Persian or 300. Okay. He knows what he did, that's all that matters.

Fine. I'm done. Goodnight, everybody. I will dream of Nico Robin.

The Ripper - January 26, 2008 04:20 AM (GMT)
I did not want this to be too nationalistic, so I won't get too carried away.

Have I learned from my past mistakes? And did that decision got me accepted again?

Wingman - January 28, 2008 03:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 25 2008, 11:20 PM)
I did not want this to be too nationalistic, so I won't get too carried away.

Have I learned from my past mistakes? And did that decision got me accepted again?

Personally, dude, I'd be fine letting you talk, but others appear to have different plans.

SilverSurfer092 - January 28, 2008 06:22 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 28 2008, 03:02 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 25 2008, 11:20 PM)
I did not want this to be too nationalistic, so I won't get too carried away.

Have I learned from my past mistakes?  And did that decision got me accepted again?

Personally, dude, I'd be fine letting you talk, but others appear to have different plans.

Fine, how about this. You let him talk and you are the one that bans him. I don't care if I come across as a schlong at this point. You don't know what the F@ck went down. He does. Why do you think he's not letting himself talk? Because he doesn't want to get banned again. If you want him to talk so much, you must really want to ban him because that is all that's going to happen. So if you want to be a schlong and get this guy banned, you keep asking for him to talk.

Wingman - January 28, 2008 07:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 01:22 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 28 2008, 03:02 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 25 2008, 11:20 PM)
I did not want this to be too nationalistic, so I won't get too carried away.

Have I learned from my past mistakes?  And did that decision got me accepted again?

Personally, dude, I'd be fine letting you talk, but others appear to have different plans.

Fine, how about this. You let him talk and you are the one that bans him. I don't care if I come across as a schlong at this point. You don't know what the F@ck went down. He does. Why do you think he's not letting himself talk? Because he doesn't want to get banned again. If you want him to talk so much, you must really want to ban him because that is all that's going to happen. So if you want to be a schlong and get this guy banned, you keep asking for him to talk.

Yes, I don't know what the heck happened, but I'm willing to listen to what anyone says (Except Jedi stormtrooper 5) and then either agree or argue with them.

hamboy - January 28, 2008 08:56 PM (GMT)
The thing is (you can correct me on this, Ripper) but his family is Iranian. He sees anything involving Persia as a nationalistic fight.

Wingman - January 28, 2008 09:01 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 28 2008, 03:56 PM)
The thing is (you can correct me on this, Ripper) but his family is Iranian. He sees anything involving Persia as a nationalistic fight.

Ohhh...

Well, I do know that 300 was biased and incorrect in many ways, but that's just because I study history. Unfortunately, many people will be misled by the movie into thinking the Persians were way worse than they were.

SilverSurfer092 - January 28, 2008 09:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 28 2008, 07:35 PM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 01:22 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 28 2008, 03:02 PM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 25 2008, 11:20 PM)
I did not want this to be too nationalistic, so I won't get too carried away.

Have I learned from my past mistakes?  And did that decision got me accepted again?

Personally, dude, I'd be fine letting you talk, but others appear to have different plans.

Fine, how about this. You let him talk and you are the one that bans him. I don't care if I come across as a schlong at this point. You don't know what the F@ck went down. He does. Why do you think he's not letting himself talk? Because he doesn't want to get banned again. If you want him to talk so much, you must really want to ban him because that is all that's going to happen. So if you want to be a schlong and get this guy banned, you keep asking for him to talk.

Yes, I don't know what the heck happened, but I'm willing to listen to what anyone says (Except Jedi stormtrooper 5) and then either agree or argue with them.

His nationalistic views got the best of him. He refused to realize the movie was fictional and put it down because it showed that the Persians were monsters. The rest of us didn't care when other movies said we were monsters or bad guys but Ripper couldn't handle it. He dragged it around with him. Then he said a racist remark and was booted for a week. He came back, we still hated him, but after a while he calmed down, and now we're trying not to hate him.

SilverSurfer092 - January 28, 2008 09:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 28 2008, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 28 2008, 03:56 PM)
The thing is (you can correct me on this, Ripper) but his family is Iranian. He sees anything involving Persia as a nationalistic fight.

Ohhh...

Well, I do know that 300 was biased and incorrect in many ways, but that's just because I study history. Unfortunately, many people will be misled by the movie into thinking the Persians were way worse than they were.

Yes. That's exactly it but Ripper refuses to acknowledge that the movie is fictional.

Wingman - January 28, 2008 09:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 04:45 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 28 2008, 09:01 PM)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 28 2008, 03:56 PM)
The thing is (you can correct me on this, Ripper) but his family is Iranian. He sees anything involving Persia as a nationalistic fight.

Ohhh...

Well, I do know that 300 was biased and incorrect in many ways, but that's just because I study history. Unfortunately, many people will be misled by the movie into thinking the Persians were way worse than they were.

Yes. That's exactly it but Ripper refuses to acknowledge that the movie is fictional.

OK then. Ripper, stay cool, IF you post here.

The Ripper - January 28, 2008 11:39 PM (GMT)
Fear not, I shall not go berserk like last time and say slurs or any crap born of a berserker. You could say my ban lobotomized me.

Wingman - January 29, 2008 01:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 28 2008, 06:39 PM)
Fear not, I shall not go berserk like last time and say slurs or any crap born of a berserker. You could say my ban lobotomized me.

Fair enough. Post away. ;)

SilverSurfer092 - January 29, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 29 2008, 01:57 AM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 28 2008, 06:39 PM)
Fear not, I shall not go berserk like last time and say slurs or any crap born of a berserker.  You could say my ban lobotomized me.

Fair enough. Post away. ;)

Your mistake.

The Ripper - January 29, 2008 02:18 AM (GMT)
I think the Persians would still have won. (I am not being nationalistic, read on) The numbers are simply too much for the Spartans, as the Persians would eventually tire out the Spartans.

Wingman - January 29, 2008 02:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:06 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 29 2008, 01:57 AM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 28 2008, 06:39 PM)
Fear not, I shall not go berserk like last time and say slurs or any crap born of a berserker.  You could say my ban lobotomized me.

Fair enough. Post away. ;)

Your mistake.

Listen, Surfer, I don't know what happened last time that got Ripper banned, but since I opened this thread to begin with, I'm giving him a chance to freely post to redeem himself of his past mistakes. If you don't like that, take a hike. Although I'd kinda like you to stick around to see what Ripper has to say and discuss his views with him.

SilverSurfer092 - January 29, 2008 02:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 29 2008, 02:18 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:06 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 29 2008, 01:57 AM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 28 2008, 06:39 PM)
Fear not, I shall not go berserk like last time and say slurs or any crap born of a berserker.  You could say my ban lobotomized me.

Fair enough. Post away. ;)

Your mistake.

Listen, Surfer, I don't know what happened last time that got Ripper banned, but since I opened this thread to begin with, I'm giving him a chance to freely post to redeem himself of his past mistakes. If you don't like that, take a hike. Although I'd kinda like you to stick around to see what Ripper has to say and discuss his views with him.

No. I tried to deal with him before, but it was out of hand. He goes crazy again, you deal with him entirely.

Wingman - January 29, 2008 02:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:29 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 29 2008, 02:18 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 28 2008, 09:06 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 29 2008, 01:57 AM)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 28 2008, 06:39 PM)
Fear not, I shall not go berserk like last time and say slurs or any crap born of a berserker.  You could say my ban lobotomized me.

Fair enough. Post away. ;)

Your mistake.

Listen, Surfer, I don't know what happened last time that got Ripper banned, but since I opened this thread to begin with, I'm giving him a chance to freely post to redeem himself of his past mistakes. If you don't like that, take a hike. Although I'd kinda like you to stick around to see what Ripper has to say and discuss his views with him.

No. I tried to deal with him before, but it was out of hand. He goes crazy again, you deal with him entirely.

Fair enough. Later.

The Ripper - January 29, 2008 03:12 AM (GMT)
Don't worry guys, I am actually tame!

I do not bite at all. In fact, if I do, I will lose face!

Wingman - January 29, 2008 01:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 28 2008, 10:12 PM)
Don't worry guys, I am actually tame!

I do not bite at all. In fact, if I do, I will lose face!

So post already!

The Ripper - January 29, 2008 11:17 PM (GMT)
I already did, here is what my opinion was:

QUOTE
I think the Persians would still have won. (I am not being nationalistic, read on) The numbers are simply too much for the Spartans, as the Persians would eventually tire out the Spartans.

Wingman - January 30, 2008 12:51 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Ripper @ Jan 29 2008, 06:17 PM)
I already did, here is what my opinion was:

QUOTE
I think the Persians would still have won. (I am not being nationalistic, read on) The numbers are simply too much for the Spartans, as the Persians would eventually tire out the Spartans.

Gotcha. To each his own.




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