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Wingman - January 15, 2008 08:43 PM (GMT)
The title says it all. Books, magazines, comics, Newspapers, etc. that you abosutely HATE, put em' here.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 15, 2008 11:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 15 2008, 08:43 PM)
The title says it all. Books, magazines, comics, Newspapers, etc. that you abosutely HATE, put em' here.

Lord of the Rings

hamboy - January 15, 2008 11:36 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 15 2008, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 15 2008, 08:43 PM)
The title says it all. Books, magazines, comics, Newspapers, etc. that you abosutely HATE, put em' here.

Lord of the Rings

Uhhh... why?

Anyway, Harry Potter

hellbentnow - January 16, 2008 12:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 15 2008, 11:36 PM)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 15 2008, 11:32 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 15 2008, 08:43 PM)
The title says it all. Books, magazines, comics, Newspapers, etc. that you abosutely HATE, put em' here.

Lord of the Rings

Uhhh... why?

Anyway, Harry Potter

I second that Harry Potter fails

SilverSurfer092 - January 16, 2008 12:26 AM (GMT)
The Bible. For anyone who said that LOTR and Harry Potter sucked, YOU FAIL!!!!

Worst movie ever is probably Spiderman 3.
Worst band ever is any hair metal band and Genesis.

The Sharpshooter - January 16, 2008 02:05 AM (GMT)
The Whipping Boy. That sucked. I even decided to read it twice cause I thought something happened and I "Missed" it. But no. It just plain sucks. ((Samuri}}

SilverSurfer092 - January 16, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (The Sharpshooter @ Jan 16 2008, 02:05 AM)
The Whipping Boy. That sucked. I even decided to read it twice cause I thought something happened and I "Missed" it. But no. It just plain sucks. ((Samuri}}

I loved that book as a kid. I read it quite a few times.

The Sharpshooter - January 16, 2008 02:13 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 02:06 AM)
QUOTE (The Sharpshooter @ Jan 16 2008, 02:05 AM)
The Whipping Boy. That sucked. I even decided to read it twice cause I thought something happened and I "Missed" it. But no. It just plain sucks. ((Samuri}}

I loved that book as a kid. I read it quite a few times.

The whole point seemed rudimentary and pointless. So it's the story of a two boys, one's a kid who gets spoiled beyone all belief, and the others the kid who get's the $#!t beaten out of him to punish the other. Yeah, really great plot.

Wingman - January 16, 2008 03:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 15 2008, 07:26 PM)
The Bible. For anyone who said that LOTR and Harry Potter sucked, YOU FAIL!!!!

Worst movie ever is probably Spiderman 3.
Worst band ever is any hair metal band and Genesis.

Why the Bible? :huh: :huh: :huh:

Wingman - January 16, 2008 03:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 15 2008, 06:32 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 15 2008, 08:43 PM)
The title says it all. Books, magazines, comics, Newspapers, etc. that you abosutely HATE, put em' here.

Lord of the Rings

Why? :unsure: :unsure:

Gamer709 - January 17, 2008 12:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 02:06 AM)
QUOTE (The Sharpshooter @ Jan 16 2008, 02:05 AM)
The Whipping Boy. That sucked. I even decided to read it twice cause I thought something happened and I "Missed" it. But no. It just plain sucks. ((Samuri}}

I loved that book as a kid. I read it quite a few times.

I agree, The whipping boy was good.
However i also hate Harry Potter. It my least favourite book.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 12:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 16 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 15 2008, 07:26 PM)
The Bible. For anyone who said that LOTR and Harry Potter sucked, YOU FAIL!!!!

Worst movie ever is probably Spiderman 3.
Worst band ever is any hair metal band and Genesis.

Why the Bible? :huh: :huh: :huh:

Because, the chance of it being a fictional book is so much bigger than it being a non-fiction book and yet people follow it's every word like it dictates their life. It contradicts itself between the Old and New Testament. It started most of the wars in the history of the world.

hamboy - January 17, 2008 12:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 12:46 AM)
Because, the chance of it being a fictional book is so much bigger than it being a non-fiction book and yet people follow it's every word like it dictates their life. It contradicts itself between the Old and New Testament. It started most of the wars in the history of the world.

I don't want to get in a religious debate. I am not religious my self. But I do view it as an exelent peice of mythology. Some kick @$$ stuff in the bible.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 12:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 16 2008, 03:21 AM)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 15 2008, 06:32 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 15 2008, 08:43 PM)
The title says it all. Books, magazines, comics, Newspapers, etc. that you abosutely HATE, put em' here.

Lord of the Rings

Why? :unsure: :unsure:

Because it took way too long to advance the plot!!!!

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 01:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 17 2008, 12:50 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 12:46 AM)
Because, the chance of it being a fictional book is so much bigger than it being a non-fiction book and yet people follow it's every word like it dictates their life. It contradicts itself between the Old and New Testament. It started most of the wars in the history of the world.

I don't want to get in a religious debate. I am not religious my self. But I do view it as an exelent peice of mythology. Some kick @$$ stuff in the bible.

Fictionally, it's an amazing book. Otherwise, no. I hate what it stands for and what it has caused.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 02:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (hamboy @ Jan 17 2008, 12:50 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 12:46 AM)
Because, the chance of it being a fictional book is so much bigger than it being a non-fiction book and yet people follow it's every word like it dictates their life. It contradicts itself between the Old and New Testament. It started most of the wars in the history of the world.

I don't want to get in a religious debate. I am not religious my self. But I do view it as an exelent peice of mythology. Some kick @$$ stuff in the bible.

Fictionally, it's an amazing book. Otherwise, no. I hate what it stands for and what it has caused.

Bring it, Surfer.

The Bible doesn't contradict itself, because it was written by men guided by a perfect being. God. I don't want to get into a religious flame war, but I have to stand up when you smear what I believe in.

If you look in the Bible, you find numerious historical references of other civilizations during the time of the Israelites. Records from the Babylonians, the Persians, the Greeks, and the Romans all show that Israel did exist. And all those civilizations are mentioned with quite a bit of detail in the Bible. For instance, carbon dating and other records put the writing of the book of Daniel at between 605-530 B.C. Now, in Daniel 11:3-4,"Then a mighty king will come, who will rule with great power and will do anything he will anything he wants. After that king has come, his kingdom will be broken up and divided out toward the the four parts of the wolrd. His kingdom will not go to his descendants, and it will not have the power that he had, because his kingdom will be pulled up and given to other people."

Now, if you know anything about history, you will know of Alexander the Great. He came, conquered the Persian empire and most of the known empire, then died at the age of 33. Lacking an heir, his kingdom was divided up into four parts among his top generals and advisors, but none of the four kingdoms was as powerful as his original mighty one was. If you have any brain at all, you will see that these two instances match up perfectly. How can this be, if the book of Daniel was written between 605-530 B.C., and Alexander the Great wasn't around until 330 B.C.? Simple. God told Daniel through a vision that this would come to pass. I'll mention more instances, straight from the Bible, if you don't believe me. But for now, go get the book "The Case for Christ", by Lee Strobel. He was an athiest who originally set out to write a book disclaiming the Bible from a historical and scientific viewpoint. After studying the Bible, he came to the undeniable conclusion that the Bible was right, every word of it, and realizing this, he excepted Christ as his Lord and Savior.

I'm not some crazy or nut-job, so don't dismiss me as a lunatic Bible toter. If you want to find the truth, read the book.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 02:37 AM (GMT)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 02:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 02:37 AM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

He dispises the act of homosexuallity not the person commiting it.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 02:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 02:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 02:51 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 02:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

Blaming an inatament object for the stupity of the human race... great. If it wasn't the Bible it would've been something else. we've got an RP to start surfer so let's drop it.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 02:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 02:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 16 2008, 09:53 PM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

Blaming an inatament object for the stupity of the human race... great. If it wasn't the Bible it would've been something else. we've got an RP to start surfer so let's drop it.

No, let him talk. I want to hear what he has to say, and respond in kind.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 02:58 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 03:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 03:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 16 2008, 10:00 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 03:08 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 03:05 AM)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 16 2008, 10:00 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 03:12 AM (GMT)
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QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 03:05 AM)
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QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 03:14 AM (GMT)
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Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Mormon, which means yes.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 03:17 AM (GMT)
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Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Mormon, which means yes.

Fair enough. Good to know. I'm out for tonight. Sorry if I took the thread off topic, but I couldn't ignore that. I'm good now.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 04:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 17 2008, 03:14 AM)
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QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Mormon, which means yes.

I swear to fucking God, if you try to convert anyone, I'll ban you so fucking fast, it'll be really fucking fast. You go Jedi Stormtrooper5 on us, you're @$$ is gone forever.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 04:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

Not at all. Your mom was not the cause of you killing someone. An experience in life, or your needs, or wants was the cause of killing someone. So now we are talking about Buddhism. Take away all wants, and you have a perfect life.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 04:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 04:01 AM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
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QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

Not at all. Your mom was not the cause of you killing someone. An experience in life, or your needs, or wants was the cause of killing someone. So now we are talking about Buddhism. Take away all wants, and you have a perfect life.

I hated JS5's behavoir.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 04:18 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Guardian Of Nesh @ Jan 17 2008, 04:04 AM)
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QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

Not at all. Your mom was not the cause of you killing someone. An experience in life, or your needs, or wants was the cause of killing someone. So now we are talking about Buddhism. Take away all wants, and you have a perfect life.

I hated JS5's behavoir.

I'm willing to bet that you could have stopped it. You could have come forth and said "You're heretical/blasphemous/all that jazz." Then say you were Mormon. He might have stopped, he might not have.

Guardian Of Nesh - January 17, 2008 04:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 17 2008, 04:18 AM)
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QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

Not at all. Your mom was not the cause of you killing someone. An experience in life, or your needs, or wants was the cause of killing someone. So now we are talking about Buddhism. Take away all wants, and you have a perfect life.

I hated JS5's behavoir.

I'm willing to bet that you could have stopped it. You could have come forth and said "You're heretical/blasphemous/all that jazz." Then say you were Mormon. He might have stopped, he might not have.

I stay away from fights, unless you mess with my buds.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 01:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 11:00 PM)
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QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Mormon, which means yes.

I swear to fucking God, if you try to convert anyone, I'll ban you so fucking fast, it'll be really fucking fast. You go Jedi Stormtrooper5 on us, you're @$$ is gone forever.

Dude, settle down. Whatever JS5 was, I don't think he was Mormon, and I think he had some issues in the top branches, if you know what I mean. Mormons aren't nearly as bad as athiests, and he, like myself, is not going to try to convert anyone. I was simply arguing over philosophical and moral issues of the Bible. I wasn't trying to convert you, I was trying to get you to see the truth, bucause you wanted to know the truth.

Wingman - January 17, 2008 01:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 11:01 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:58 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:54 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

Not at all. Your mom was not the cause of you killing someone. An experience in life, or your needs, or wants was the cause of killing someone. So now we are talking about Buddhism. Take away all wants, and you have a perfect life.

If you want to continue to discuss this, which I do, lets PM or create a temporary thread for it.

SilverSurfer092 - January 17, 2008 11:43 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 01:55 PM)
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QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:51 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:48 PM)
QUOTE (Wingman @ Jan 17 2008, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (SilverSurfer092 @ Jan 16 2008, 09:37 PM)
Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Mormon, which means yes.

I swear to fucking God, if you try to convert anyone, I'll ban you so fucking fast, it'll be really fucking fast. You go Jedi Stormtrooper5 on us, you're @$$ is gone forever.

Dude, settle down. Whatever JS5 was, I don't think he was Mormon, and I think he had some issues in the top branches, if you know what I mean. Mormons aren't nearly as bad as athiests, and he, like myself, is not going to try to convert anyone. I was simply arguing over philosophical and moral issues of the Bible. I wasn't trying to convert you, I was trying to get you to see the truth, bucause you wanted to know the truth.

No, he was Mormon, and he pissed me off and everyone else off quite a bit. He actively said he was trying to convert me. And what's wrong with Atheists and/or Agnostics?

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Okay, are you trying to show that the Bible is a factual book? Well, in that case, the Golden Compass must be a non-fiction book because it involves England and the Tartars and the like. And it does contradict itself. In the Old Testament it said God despises gays. In the New Testament, it said God loves all the same, but frowns upon homosexuality.

Jesus said to love everyone, even your enemies, and pray that they ask for forgiveness for their sins, but he also says sins are wrong. He says that homosexuality is one of the worst sins, but that doesn't mean that he hates gays. Not by a long shot. Jesus died to save all of us of our sins. That includes you, me, gays, murders, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Josef Stalin, and every sin that ever was or will be committed. The only thing that God hates is sin, but he doesn't hate those who commit them, because we ARE going to sin. He only asks that we repent of them and except the lifeline he's thrown us, Jesus Christ.

If God said to love everyone, then why are so many wars started over religion? Because the pope and all that jazz misinterpret the Bible. No Bible, no misinterpretation, the number of wars in the history of the world decreases a lot.

True, the Pope and others misinterpreted the Bible. But the Bible itself is perfect, but it was messed up byimperfect men, and that causes pain to God. The wars started, the people who died, it's our own doing, not God's. You can't blame him.

But I can. He was the cause of the Bible. The Bible was the indirect cause of wars that ravaged the world. Take away the cause and there is no effect.

If you use that logic, then that means that if my mom had me, and then I go out and kill someone, and people blame it on her. That logic doesn't make sense, Surfer.

WM, I agree with you but you're taking this too far. This is a warning; I'm an admin, I have powers you don't.

*sigh* Duly noted. I gotta go to bed anyway, so I'll stop for now. We have to set up a thread for this. Thanks for agreeing with me, Nesh. ;)

It's not you, it's my beliefs.

That's what I meant. Are you a Christian?

Mormon, which means yes.

I swear to fucking God, if you try to convert anyone, I'll ban you so fucking fast, it'll be really fucking fast. You go Jedi Stormtrooper5 on us, you're @$$ is gone forever.

Dude, settle down. Whatever JS5 was, I don't think he was Mormon, and I think he had some issues in the top branches, if you know what I mean. Mormons aren't nearly as bad as athiests, and he, like myself, is not going to try to convert anyone. I was simply arguing over philosophical and moral issues of the Bible. I wasn't trying to convert you, I was trying to get you to see the truth, bucause you wanted to know the truth.

No, he was Mormon, and he pissed me off and everyone else off quite a bit. He actively said he was trying to convert me. And what's wrong with Atheists and/or Agnostics?

PM me. We don't wanna risk getting banned. See the Rules topic I posted in Introduction.




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