SW vs the Forerunners

There is no doubt that Humans+Covenants aren't a match for the Empire but what about against the Forerunners ?
Since I don't know much about SW I leave you debate.

Informations about Forerunner :
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Forerunner

Edit: Arf I forgot to make a poll, how can I fix that ?

VS the Empire? Would certainly be a good matchup. Conventional warfare certainly wouldn't be an option for either side. Honestly, I'd give it to the Forerunners if it was Empire VS them. But all of SW, including the Celestials, SW takes it.


EDIT: Although I must say, people really do overestimate the Forerunners. They're really only slightly more advanced than the Covenant, based on the wiki pages I read about them. People tend to put them on a pedestal, and make them out to be nearly omnipotent lol. While I think this gives the Empire far better odds, I'd say the best the Empire could hope for is a stalemate or Pyrrhic victory.

How about the Precursors, though? This race was so technologically advanced, I read the Forerunners categorized them with a Technological Achievement Tier higher than their own. They'd probably cause considerable damage to the Empire, if not wipe it out entirely.

So some facts about Forerunners that you wont necessarily find on the Halopedia

1. their lifespanse were in the 10s of thousands of years.

2. the the of the covenant are like a child's drawing of the mona lisa compared to the forerunners

3. the fortress class capital ship of which the forerunners had a known quantity of 4 but probably dozens(I say 4 because how many have been recorded, one was at the prophet homeworld,3 others were present at the battle of the forerunner capital), but yea these ships looked nearly identical to high charity and averaged at least 50km long probably longer.(almost 2.5 times the size the biggest super stardestroyer).

4. the forerunners have the ability to grow ships using a ship seed blueprint and the necessary resources.

5. forerunner engineering allow them to build structures: inside stars, inside slipspace, build massive structures like artificial planets, create (as I last counted) 15+ halo rings plus 7+ shield worlds(micro Dyson spheres inside planets or slipspace).

6. Their AIs are some of the best ever made and even the most simplest one could outperform any droid and their best can control entire fleets, mendicant bias controlled 5 halo rings plus all their defenses and was able to maintain control over the systems of the forerunner capital.

7. they were able to create a series of weapons installations that could shoot down entire fleets of ships in slipspace creating a nearly impenetrable defensive sphere around their core worlds.

8. they have the ability do devolve entire species, and implant genetic commands into their DNA.

9. slipspace: the forerunners the forerunners have the ability to travel over 100 light years an hour(based on covenant use of the tech, true maximum velocities are estimated to be much higher)

and I'll add more as I come up with them.

O and the precursors well many of the artifacts found by the forerunners have cycled trough the planets magma and back out. And have survived millions of years(not millenia but million thats x*1,000,000 of years) and basically created the humans and forerunners. and sources hint that the precursors also made the flood.

We know almost nothing about the Precursors but since they have achieved the tier 0, they can basically compared to gods .

Anyways the forerunners are more than enough able to annihilate dozen of others galaxies, here the recite :

-make a halo far far away
-use ultimate slipspace to teleport it in the center of the enemy galaxy
-activate it

In Halo 3, it has been shown that forerunners possessed technology to travel incredible distance almost instantly (Earth to the Ark, 200 000 - 300 000 light years away ).
Furthermore halo can be made within 3 months .

Where did you find all of those facts?!

there are a few books that talk about forerunner tech:

Ghosts of Onyx

and Halo: Cryptum, which is probably one of the best sources.

and I just kinda connected the dots between references

O also
10. near instantaneous galactic communication network

Sorry Vengence, we're gonna need some proof if you're putting FR at near omnipotent level. I mean even a Wiki page (as god awful as they are) is better than nothing.

Also, may I ask why none of these facts are found on a Wiki page? I mean Halopedia and the other Halo wiki are a place where people go to praise and boast about their series, just as Wookiepedia is a place where SW nerds (such as myself) can wank SW XD So somebody would've posted it if it were a fact. Like it says they only controlled 3 million worlds at their peak. Living to 10000 years old means that either there was only like, a billion of them and they never had sex, or their worlds were insanely overcrowded.


EDIT: Oh yeah Icebite, they probably would kick the Empire in the balls, and maybe even wipe them out XD I agree with you that they'd certainly prove their worth. Just saying that people really do put the FR on a pedestal.

Read Halo Cryptum

Even if I read the entire book, I doubt I'd find any of the feats you claim above. The truth is, I'm thinking their military tech is the same as the Covenants, just far more powerful. Their other tech like terraforming and such is on the Star Trek tech level. Impressive to say the least, especially by our standards. But nowhere near most Halo fans puts them.

Halo Cryptum is pretty new, maybe there are a ton of new techs that haven't yet been copied in the wiki .

ok my sources then

1. life span: halo cryptum, didact was over 10 thousand years old probably a lot more

2. tech: basically a culmination of all my research this is more of a biased statement than factual

3. Fortress class vessel also from halo cryptum one was located near the prophet home world watching over its quarantine, and multiple were in the battle of the forerunner capital close enough to respond within a mater of minutes, also refers that there are multiple more of said craft.

4. Halo cryptum:Didacts ship was grown from a ship seed in a process that was implied to be somewhat common at least.

5. each halo ring was built with an atmosphere and an ecosystem on the inside of the ring, the Ark could support life and is much bigger than the earth, and there were at least 7
Shield worlds.

6. AIs well yea take special note of medicant and offensive bias they each had the abillity to coordinate over 4 million ships (anything one could do so could the other).

7.line installation, and Maginot shpere

8. Halo cryptum: states that humanity reached a tier 1 civilization Tech advancement tiers comparable to the forerunner empire. humanity went to war with the forerunners lost their society was completely dismantled and they were all devolved except a sample group that was allotted to the librarian who placed them on earth, she aubsequently implanted DNA comands called a Geas.

9. slipspace velocities.

10. Communication, halo cryptum sheds what little light there is upon this, it mentions using a knowledge database and communications network that can be accessed nearly anywhere in the galaxy.

11. "Forerunners have the technology to reproduce entire individuals from encoded DNA/RNA/silicon samples in data streams. This was mentioned in the Bestiarum: "DNA/RNA/Silicon samples are encoded in this data stream. Reproduction of individuals for analysis is prohibited by this facility."" quote from halopedia.

1.) You just repeated what you said. Them living 10,000 years would be stupid, and wouldn't really help them much in this debate anyway.

2.) You can't say that for sure because we don't know enough about the FR to make that assumption. And even if their plasma rifles are a thousand times more powerful than the Covenant's, its only equal to a Blaster. Again because of the SW has insane numbers thing...

3.) Size means squat. They could have a billion ships that big; if the weapons aren't enough to pierce shields, a single ISD could wipe the floor with them. Although we don't know for sure if they could or couldn't, its a good chance their weapons weren't as OP as SW tech is.

4.) Alrighty. I wasn't really debating that point specifically. I'll give it to you, and its also pretty neat :)

5.) Also wasn't really debating this point. As I said, they're pretty adept at terraforming and such.

6.) AI's like Guilty Spark who went batshit insane? Or AI's that just patrolled the Halo's, couldn't beat the flood, and couldn't even beat the Covenant or MC. They're not that advanced dude. Not even close to what you're making them out to be.Though they are better than UNSC, Covenant, and probably SW AI, they're not that OP.

7.) Won't mean much to a fleet of ISD's. Also, SW doesn't use Slipspace so weapons that shoot down ships in it is kind of a moot point.

8.) Ture, after they lost they were implanted. So it really doesn't help in a fight, just helps after you win a fight. Plus there are millions of species in SW. They couldn't devolve them all. It'd take too many years to research the whole galaxy.

9.)Still not known to be faster than Hyperspace.

Decent representation of your facts, some better than others. Even with everything you say being true, I think the FR would still have one hell of a fight to attack the Empire. If the Celestials were involved then it'd be pretty one-sided IMO. Celestials are like SW's Forefunners, btw.

Mendicant Bias and Offensive Bias are not like Guilty Spark. They are much more intelligent and much more advanced.

I know, but he said even the most basic AI is better than anything SW had. I'm just pointing out that's a gross overestimate.