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Nin-Finity - January 6, 2008 08:48 PM (GMT)
What is perfection? Dictionary.com defines it as "the state of being without a flaw or defect".

Flawless. Perfect. Is such a thing even possible? Can something be truly without flaws?

And what happens if perfection IS achieved? What then? By definition, you can't progress past perfection, so what would happen? Would change cease to exist? It seems that if perfection could be achieved, life would lose all meaning. (A good example is the novel The Giver) After all, humans themselves are far from perfect.

So, if perfection is a possibility, should it even be striven for?

Dez384 - January 6, 2008 09:49 PM (GMT)
Although Perfection is unobtainable, we should still strive towards it.

Dragon Hellfire - January 6, 2008 10:28 PM (GMT)
Perfection is based on opinions, so one can be perfect, if they see themselves as flawless.

I'm perfection.

Nin-Finity - January 7, 2008 12:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dragon Hellfire @ Jan 6 2008, 05:28 PM)
Perfection is based on opinions, so one can be perfect, if they see themselves as flawless.

I'm perfection.

However, you aren't the only one with an opinion, so labeling yourself as perfection is far from the truth if the masses don't agree with you.

Dez384 - January 7, 2008 12:52 AM (GMT)
He is perfection to himself, just not to others.

Nin-Finity - January 7, 2008 12:53 AM (GMT)
As long as people find flaws with him, by definition, he isn't perfect.

Thinking that you are flawless does not make you flawless.

Dragon Hellfire - January 7, 2008 12:55 AM (GMT)
You can't say I'm wrong, you can only disagree with me.

I'm perfection.

Jeigan - January 7, 2008 01:10 AM (GMT)
I am more perfect than DH


I agree with Dez, btw


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Although Perfection is unobtainable, we should still strive towards it.

Inuyasha Lover - March 12, 2008 04:16 AM (GMT)
Being perfect is impossible,nothing is without a flaw. Perfection wont ever be achieved, and if it ever is who knows what would happen. It should still be striven for.

someone can say they are perfect all they want, doesn't mean its true.

Maraj - March 12, 2008 04:25 AM (GMT)
This is a very strange topic, but to addess Inu: No. It's not impossible. It's commonly said that perfection is impossibly or unattainable, but it's not. In many ways, it is impossible to make yourself perfect, which I think is where the saying(s) come from. But that does not make the concept impossible.

For example, you could say x = 2 + 4 is imperfect, because it can be reduced further, or improved. But you could then contrast that with x = 6, and say that is perfect, because it cannot be improved.

*zips off again*

Sety - March 13, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Inuyasha Lover @ Mar 11 2008, 09:16 PM)
Being perfect is impossible,nothing is without a flaw. Perfection wont ever be achieved, and if it ever is who knows what would happen. It should still be striven for.

someone can say they are perfect all they want, doesn't mean its true.

If nothing is without flaw, then perfection exists in everything.

darklink - March 13, 2008 02:17 AM (GMT)
Perfect to me means without flaw, so that means without sin.

Only Jesus and Mary were perfect. The rest of us humans sin and are not flawless. In fact usually it is our flaws that destroy us.

Ilyana - March 13, 2008 02:22 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (darklink @ Mar 12 2008, 09:17 PM)
In fact usually it is our flaws that destroy us.

XD Reminds me of Shakespearean tragedy.

I agree. I don't think that perfection is attainable by human means, and I don't believe that the definition of perfection is relative to the individual. I believe there are certain universal requirements, if you will, for perfection. I believe that the best we can do is to aim ourselves in this direction and try.

Renegade - January 13, 2009 11:42 PM (GMT)
IMO, I think perfection is unnatainable. If we reach perfection, we have no meaning. I think that the meaning of life is to attain perfection. Attain perfection, then what? Your meaning has been fulfilled. Do we die? Do we disappear? What then?

yoshi71089 - January 13, 2009 11:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Renegade @ Jan 13 2009, 06:42 PM)
IMO, I think perfection is unnatainable. If we reach perfection, we have no meaning. I think that the meaning of life is to attain perfection. Attain perfection, then what? Your meaning has been fulfilled. Do we die? Do we disappear? What then?

You need to check the post dates on topics so that you don't necropost. If you want to post in an old topic, get permission first or make a new topic altogether.

Denning Rosewater - January 14, 2009 10:34 PM (GMT)
Yosh, it's not that serious. It's one thing if people are spamming, but there's no need to get antsy over that issue, I say. What he said was concise and in keeping with the topic; your post was more spammish than his.

I think perfection can be loosely applied to certain things. Saved video game files with maxed out everything or whatever, fight records, such as 17-0-0, are "perfect" indicators, but it's only locked to that specific field. Doesn't mean that the gamer play perfectly throughout the game, or the fighter won every fight easily. As a whole, no, nothing in this world is perfect, in that case.

Renegade - January 15, 2009 10:27 PM (GMT)
I agree with Den. Perfection, in some fields, is attainable. But perfection in general? I think it cannot be. If it is, there is no point in doing so. We live and recieve critique on the things we do "Don't slouch." "Write at your best" "Get this done by tomorrow". These are the flaws that keep us from attaining perfection. If we are to get criticised each day, then we have flaws. If we have flaws, we (more than likely) get them everyday. We have them for a reason.

@Yoshi, I'm just putting my 2 cents in. Sorry about the necropost.

Khriss - January 16, 2009 10:58 PM (GMT)
No, I was right.

Perfection is subjective.

Aeorys Kirru - January 17, 2009 12:53 AM (GMT)
Perfection is an imperfection. It just doesn't happen. Nothing is completely exact. The definition is subjective, but in general, it isn't reality.

Lubu - January 17, 2009 06:49 AM (GMT)
"beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" although that is totally true and totally wrong at the same time, although i guess its more deep then it is logical, and i guess it goes more over physical looks then perfection, i still think its quote border lines with this topic

Khriss - January 18, 2009 12:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Aeorys Kirru @ Jan 16 2009, 04:53 PM)
Perfection is an imperfection. It just doesn't happen. Nothing is completely exact. The definition is subjective, but in general, it isn't reality.

If somebody said 'If A is X then A is perfect' and A = X, then they can draw the conclusion that A is perfect. What you define to be "perfect" in any situation can develop and change indefinitely (to the point where it's 'unrealistic', even, since it is indefinitely), though, which sorta goes with what you're saying.

Aeorys Kirru - January 18, 2009 03:02 AM (GMT)
That's a good point. Math is exact, but not perfect. Precision isn't quite the same as perfection. Also, there are always those who question and disbelieve. Those are the ones who eventually break the given truths and theories and create other hypotheses from their discoveries. Wouldn't you question why or how X was perfect, and why that perfection translates to A and create counterarguments? I don't think I would be satisfied knowing that something was 'perfect' just because someone told me it was.

Khriss - January 18, 2009 06:44 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Aeorys Kirru @ Jan 17 2009, 07:02 PM)
That's a good point. Math is exact, but not perfect. Precision isn't quite the same as perfection. Also, there are always those who question and disbelieve. Those are the ones who eventually break the given truths and theories and create other hypotheses from their discoveries. Wouldn't you question why or how X was perfect, and why that perfection translates to A and create counterarguments? I don't think I would be satisfied knowing that something was 'perfect' just because someone told me it was.

It wouldn't always be perfect to you if 'somebody' told you it was perfect, but if you tell you it's perfect, then it's perfect to you (otherwise you wouldn't have told yourself). It's subjective, as such, the situation highly likely wouldn't be consensually considered perfect.

Dekker Mars - February 3, 2009 11:33 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (darklink @ Mar 12 2008, 09:17 PM)
Perfect to me means without flaw, so that means without sin.

Only Jesus and Mary were perfect. The rest of us humans sin and are not flawless. In fact usually it is our flaws that destroy us.

The bible says only Jesus was perfect. He was the only perfect being. Ever.
Human beings cannot become perfect, we will always, and always have had flaws.
Nobody, or anything is NEAR perfection.

[side note:]
Please, if you're somehow like sacreligious, or not christain, or anti-christian somehow don't flame, or... whatever.

Aaron - February 3, 2009 11:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Nin-Finity @ Jan 6 2008, 03:48 PM)
What is perfection? Dictionary.com defines it as "the state of being without a flaw or defect".

Flawless. Perfect. Is such a thing even possible? Can something be truly without flaws?

And what happens if perfection IS achieved? What then? By definition, you can't progress past perfection, so what would happen? Would change cease to exist? It seems that if perfection could be achieved, life would lose all meaning. (A good example is the novel The Giver) After all, humans themselves are far from perfect.

So, if perfection is a possibility, should it even be striven for?

I believe perfection is obtainable, but not within the human lifespan.

Then again, my version of perfection is different than others I would assume. To obtain "Purity" as a human, no, we will never be perfect in that department, but for everything else, in the world around us, that is different, and what I mean by my opinion above.

Khriss - February 6, 2009 06:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dekker Mars @ Feb 3 2009, 03:33 PM)
QUOTE (darklink @ Mar 12 2008, 09:17 PM)
Perfect to me means without flaw, so that means without sin.

Only Jesus and Mary were perfect. The rest of us humans sin and are not flawless. In fact usually it is our flaws that destroy us.

The bible says only Jesus was perfect. He was the only perfect being. Ever.
Human beings cannot become perfect, we will always, and always have had flaws.
Nobody, or anything is NEAR perfection.

[side note:]
Please, if you're somehow like sacreligious, or not christain, or anti-christian somehow don't flame, or... whatever.

Appeal to authority, logical fallacy

oshi-

Wasabi - February 24, 2009 02:22 AM (GMT)
You guys have yet to define what perfection is. Is it not sinning, completing all projects that you take on, is it completing projects in a specific way? once you define this then you can decide if it is possible to attain.

Cugar - February 24, 2009 03:21 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wasabi @ Feb 23 2009, 09:22 PM)
You guys have yet to define what perfection is. Is it not sinning, completing all projects that you take on, is it completing projects in a specific way? once you define this then you can decide if it is possible to attain.

And do we care if everyone follows the rules in question, i.e. your first example.

"Sinning" might as well be interchangeable with "doing" for all it will affect my behavior. How would something like that impact the standard for perfection?

Khriss - February 25, 2009 03:53 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Wasabi @ Feb 23 2009, 06:22 PM)
You guys have yet to define what perfection is. Is it not sinning, completing all projects that you take on, is it completing projects in a specific way? once you define this then you can decide if it is possible to attain.

I've covered this, actually ....

Wasabi - March 3, 2009 04:28 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Cugar @ Feb 23 2009, 10:21 PM)
QUOTE (Wasabi @ Feb 23 2009, 09:22 PM)
You guys have yet to define what perfection is. Is it not sinning, completing all projects that you take on, is it completing projects in a specific way? once you define this then you can decide if it is possible to attain.

And do we care if everyone follows the rules in question, i.e. your first example.

"Sinning" might as well be interchangeable with "doing" for all it will affect my behavior. How would something like that impact the standard for perfection?

Yes, so what actions would result in not being perfect. And that depends on how you define perfect.




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