Title: Idea of death and afterlife.
swordsmen - October 27, 2007 02:54 AM (GMT)
I often...and I mean daily, find myself think,what if we do not go one? what if we live to die and nothing else,what if upon death we just dissapear from existance,we no longer exist, not even to ourselves...we are just gone.
This cuases me often nightmares and is probably my worst fear of anything. I am one to question anything that I don't understand,or that doesn't have true fact to support it.Sometimes this is bad for me such in this case.
Do you believe there must be something after death?and if not are you alright with this?
Asvel - October 27, 2007 03:11 AM (GMT)
The fact that I feel there's nothing at all after death only makes me believe we've got to give our lives meaning while we can. Even a fly has life and death, but only a human can achieve something positive and be remembered for it. (generally speaking, of course; I know about ecosystem niches and Balto and all those animal heroes, but that's not the point)
Death is nothing to fear, in my opinion. Think of it as a stage of life, albeit a final one. Everyone goes through it.
swordsmen - October 27, 2007 03:14 AM (GMT)
But the thing that scares me is You,yourself won't even know you existed,becuase you yourself will no longer exist,it will be like you never existed in the first place.
The idea of an end like this,it just seems horrible to me.
Eniomus - October 27, 2007 03:17 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Asvel @ Oct 26 2007, 11:11 PM) |
The fact that I feel there's nothing at all after death only makes me believe we've got to give our lives meaning while we can. Even a fly has life and death, but only a human can achieve something positive and be remembered for it. (generally speaking, of course; I know about ecosystem niches and Balto and all those animal heroes, but that's not the point)
Death is nothing to fear, in my opinion. Think of it as a stage of life, albeit a final one. Everyone goes through it. |
^this
| QUOTE |
| But the thing that scares me is You,yourself won't even know you existed,becuase you yourself will no longer exist,it will be like you never existed in the first place. |
...But you won't know that you don't know it anyway, so why does it matter?
swordsmen - October 27, 2007 03:23 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Eniomus @ Oct 26 2007, 10:17 PM) |
| QUOTE (Asvel @ Oct 26 2007, 11:11 PM) | The fact that I feel there's nothing at all after death only makes me believe we've got to give our lives meaning while we can. Even a fly has life and death, but only a human can achieve something positive and be remembered for it. (generally speaking, of course; I know about ecosystem niches and Balto and all those animal heroes, but that's not the point)
Death is nothing to fear, in my opinion. Think of it as a stage of life, albeit a final one. Everyone goes through it. |
^this
| QUOTE | | But the thing that scares me is You,yourself won't even know you existed,becuase you yourself will no longer exist,it will be like you never existed in the first place. |
...But you won't know that you don't know it anyway, so why does it matter?
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Well,to me what matters is that i have to go threw life knowing this and it will always torture me.
Maraj - October 27, 2007 03:31 AM (GMT)
Yeah, it pretty much sucks.
I figure that since you won't mind it after you die, only beforehand, it's not all that bad.
I mean, other people will mind. But they're silly.
Asvel - October 27, 2007 03:41 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (swordsmen @ Oct 26 2007, 10:14 PM) |
| But the thing that scares me is You,yourself won't even know you existed,becuase you yourself will no longer exist,it will be like you never existed in the first place. |
However, if you give meaning to your life, find something to do and do it well, have a family/friends and such, you will have something and someone to be remembered by, and it will be like you DID exist. Unless you turn into a complete and utter failure or nobody, there will always be someone to miss you and remember you. (and even if someone turns into a complete failure or nobody, there's a solid chance they'd be remembered for that. <.<)
| QUOTE (swordsmen @ Oct 26 2007, 10:14 PM) |
| The idea of an end like this,it just seems horrible to me. |
Again, don't fear death. In the case of 99.9999999blahblahblah999% of people, there will be someone to miss you and remember you. It's a stage of life. It's like no longer being a baby, except you just simply no longer exist.
FullMetalOsaka - October 27, 2007 04:19 AM (GMT)
A bit off topic, but I used to be really afraid that death was actually just your body stopped, but your mind/soul or what you would want to call it would still be there and have a concence. So if you got buried, you would spend eternity rotting away underground with only your thoughts.
swordsmen - October 27, 2007 04:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FullMetalOsaka @ Oct 26 2007, 11:19 PM) |
| A bit off topic, but I used to be really afraid that death was actually just your body stopped, but your mind/soul or what you would want to call it would still be there and have a concence. So if you got buried, you would spend eternity rotting away underground with only your thoughts. |
I had an idea like that but more in a you would be eternaly dreaming kinda thing.
Diagon Dragnier - October 27, 2007 04:31 AM (GMT)
part of the reason I want to be a cyborg
There are two scenarios that I see in front of me.
1.) You cease to exist. You can't care. whatever
2.) There's some afterlife in which you do totally awesome things, be them bad or good. ***ing SCHWEET
So whatever. I'll just live life how I want it trying not to ever care too much. I mean, I probably would have killed myself already to get a shortcut to whatever, but there's too many things that are holding me here.
Linkssword - October 27, 2007 06:21 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Oct 26 2007, 11:31 PM) |
part of the reason I want to be a cyborg
There are two scenarios that I see in front of me.
1.) You cease to exist. You can't care. whatever
2.) There's some afterlife in which you do totally awesome things, be them bad or good. ***ing SCHWEET
So whatever. I'll just live life how I want it trying not to ever care too much. I mean, I probably would have killed myself already to get a shortcut to whatever, but there's too many things that are holding me here. |
Like me :wub:
I see it as a wonderful valley of flowers with magical ponies and unicorns and rainbows.
I see heaven as....
but srsly I don't think there is an afterlife, just the darkness that you feel when you sleep.
Wow that sounded creepy O-o
King Denning - October 27, 2007 07:33 PM (GMT)
I'd actually not ponder this matter at all until the day comes when I actually die.
In the event that there is an afterlife that is positive, such as heaven, then I'll focus on getting there while I have the time. Just do what you can until your last hour is present, that's what I say.
Sety - October 30, 2007 03:59 AM (GMT)
To be short, I believe in reincarnation, because otherwise your soul just kinda wanders. Either that or you just wind into a nothingness and you never think again, which sucks :/
Lumoroske - October 31, 2007 01:30 AM (GMT)
Afterlife or no, I thinks it's best to live your life and try to be the best person you can. Whether or not there is an afterlife, you're still here now you know <<
Besides, even if there is only oblivion beyond the grave, I would probably take that over being on this earth for eternity.
Mo Jacked - October 31, 2007 08:25 PM (GMT)
Swordsmen, I know what you're going through thinking about death and all that associates with it. You just have to chill and enjoy your life and whatever happens, happens. About the whole life after death thing, I do believe in an afterlife seeing as how I am a hardcore Christian which probably makes me somewhat biased because that's what I've been taught ever since I was little. But yeah, in the case of an afterlife I would assume that it is a really chill place where you can just hang out and do pretty much whatever you feel like. ****ing Schweet as DH said.
Commander - November 4, 2007 10:04 PM (GMT)
As Mo Jacked said, religion also plays a part in someone's fear of non existence after death. If someone on the planet is a Ned Flanders kind of guy, then he or she dies believing that they go to heaven and "lives" peacefully. I am an agnostic, and find myself thinking about it as well. This is why I turn to the search of the paranormal, to find proof that ghost, spirits, and other after death related beings to calm my own panic.
If there is a heaven/hell/afterlife, what will happen to it when the sun goes out?
King Denning - November 4, 2007 10:12 PM (GMT)
If there is an afterlife, I'd imagine it'd be in an alternate dimension, or unimpacted by what goes on in this one. Assuming we'd be spirits, nothing would likely hurt us, either way, so why would it matter?
Kombat_911 - November 25, 2007 02:04 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (swordsmen @ Oct 26 2007, 09:54 PM) |
I often...and I mean daily, find myself think,what if we do not go one? what if we live to die and nothing else,what if upon death we just dissapear from existance,we no longer exist, not even to ourselves...we are just gone.
This cuases me often nightmares and is probably my worst fear of anything. I am one to question anything that I don't understand,or that doesn't have true fact to support it.Sometimes this is bad for me such in this case.
Do you believe there must be something after death?and if not are you alright with this? |
i dont think there's anything that happens once we die. since we are all just molecules and chemical reactions, once we die, thats it. we our brains, our bodies, we just break down into the bare stuffs that we were.
And i for one, am okay with this. i actually would rather prefer it.
so ya, this means i dont believe in any religion just.. facts.
but yea, id be willing to gamble like, everything on that
in fact, its basically proven by just.. common sense. only thing thats making it conflictin is the fact that no one has *poofed* and was able to tell the story, but in a way, that sort of supports my theory
Maraj - November 25, 2007 02:44 AM (GMT)
more necro, needs moar b7
I hate to break it to you, Kombat, but science is not fact. It has not been "proven", as you say. And someone I doubt you're going to come up with that proof. ;)
Kombat_911 - November 25, 2007 03:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Maraj @ Nov 24 2007, 09:44 PM) |
more necro, needs moar b7
I hate to break it to you, Kombat, but science is not fact. It has not been "proven", as you say. And someone I doubt you're going to come up with that proof. ;) |
well its close to it
and thats all the proof i need
either way, it wont matter
and besides, u didnt break much to me, it wasnt anything i didnt already kno ;)
Dez384 - November 29, 2007 05:27 PM (GMT)
Whether you believe that there is an afterlife not is your belief. Someone else cannot prove it to you.
And if there isn't, then oh well, how can you care? Dieing is part of life. The end.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 12:26 AM (GMT)
I wouldn't.
I just the think the whole concept of religion was thought by a bunch of people that wanted people to stay in line. The bible is a manual on how to treat each other. And since (I believe) this was written by some people who could not see the future, some views might change.
Like the view that gays should be condemned or some crap like that. like honestly, why would god create something he would only want his children to condemn and torture?
but of course, since they didnt know, they just stuck it in there.
so, as much as ive got my qualms against religion, i feel i have to thank it, because if people didnt fear a higher power, if people had no regard to what they did in life because they KNEW there was no afterlife, then **** would just go crazy!
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 01:18 AM (GMT)
Your statement about condemning gays depends if you view homosexuality as a choice or not.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 02:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 08:18 PM) |
| Your statement about condemning gays depends if you view homosexuality as a choice or not. |
has it not been made evident that it isnt?
EDIT: and even if it is, still, why does it matter? cuz somebody said so? cuz "God" said so? do people not feel like sheep when their life is governed by something whose existence cannot b proven?
btw, i used to believe in God =/
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 02:54 AM (GMT)
Why would it matter? If it is a choice then your statement loses validity:
| QUOTE |
| why would god create something he would only want his children to condemn and torture? |
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 02:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 09:54 PM) |
Why would it matter? If it is a choice then your statement loses validity:
| QUOTE | | why would god create something he would only want his children to condemn and torture? |
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explain to me
how does likeing another's vagina or penis constitute as an excuse to be hated?
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 03:05 AM (GMT)
Your statement loses validity because it asks why God created something he wanted People to be kill. That's only if they were created that way. If it is there choice then the blame of them being homosexuality does not fall on God, but themselves.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 03:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 10:05 PM) |
| Your statement loses validity because it asks why God created something he wanted People to be kill. That's only if they were created that way. If it is there choice then the blame of them being homosexuality does not fall on God, but themselves. |
1) u missed my statement where i said "Has it not been made evident that it isnt?" ;)
response to that plz
2) it still does fall on God because its his word thats saying "condemn them!!"
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 03:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kombat_911 @ Nov 29 2007, 11:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 10:05 PM) | | Your statement loses validity because it asks why God created something he wanted People to be kill. That's only if they were created that way. If it is there choice then the blame of them being homosexuality does not fall on God, but themselves. |
1) u missed my statement where i said "Has it not been made evident that it isnt?" ;)
response to that plz
2) it still does fall on God because its his word thats saying "condemn them!!"
|
Show me that it has. I have more proof that it is a choice than it is not.
And if they choose, then they are the ones choosing condemnation.
Inui - November 30, 2007 03:59 AM (GMT)
I didn't choose to like other boys.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 04:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 10:24 PM) |
| QUOTE (Kombat_911 @ Nov 29 2007, 11:14 PM) | | QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 10:05 PM) | | Your statement loses validity because it asks why God created something he wanted People to be kill. That's only if they were created that way. If it is there choice then the blame of them being homosexuality does not fall on God, but themselves. |
1) u missed my statement where i said "Has it not been made evident that it isnt?" ;)
response to that plz
2) it still does fall on God because its his word thats saying "condemn them!!"
|
Show me that it has. I have more proof that it is a choice than it is not.
And if they choose, then they are the ones choosing condemnation.
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1) But who is HE to choose that it warrants condemnation?
2) No you dont. believe me. you dont
i dont giv a damn who's testimonial ur using
ur source for viable facts is tainted or some ****, cuz believe me, ive seen a lot of things, and kno a lot of people to sya that its NOT a choice
and, if u want, post ur "evidence" but i wouldnt do it if i were u. we all kno it isnt valid
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 04:03 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Inui @ Nov 29 2007, 10:59 PM) |
| I didn't choose to like other boys. |
ironic isnt it? i believe that just about debunks whatver u were about to type
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 04:15 AM (GMT)
I never claimed to have evidence. But I have yet to see convincing evidence.
and if by HE, you mean God, He can do whatever he wants to because He is God. But that's I think and others would disagree with me.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 04:19 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 11:15 PM) |
I never claimed to have evidence. But I have yet to see convincing evidence.
and if by HE, you mean God, He can do whatever he wants to because He is God. But that's I think and others would disagree with me. |
| QUOTE |
| Show me that it has. I have more proof that it is a choice than it is not. |
in order to have *proof* u would need valid supporting facts
some might misconstrued that as 'evidence'
yea, by he i meant i "god"
and i would disagree with u :)
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 04:48 AM (GMT)
You caught my words. Let me clarify, my proof is your side's lack of proof.
I really have nothing else to say.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 04:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 11:48 PM) |
You caught my words. Let me clarify, my proof is your side's lack of proof.
I really have nothing else to say. |
so
did i win 0_o
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 04:53 AM (GMT)
There is no winning is discussion.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 05:04 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 29 2007, 11:53 PM) |
| There is no winning is discussion. |
hmm
fair enough
but i got u at a silence :D
Dez384 - November 30, 2007 05:50 AM (GMT)
I simply felt that nothing productive was going to come from the "discussion" and I didn't feel like spending time and energy being totally unproductive.
Kombat_911 - November 30, 2007 06:34 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Nov 30 2007, 12:50 AM) |
| I simply felt that nothing productive was going to come from the "discussion" and I didn't feel like spending time and energy being totally unproductive. |
well
either way
no matter the outcome of this discussion, what will happen?
nothing
thus, rendering it... unproductive to begin with >.>