For those of you who don't know what this is, I'll summarize it.

It's possibly the government's best kept secret, nobody knows the full truth about it. Einstein had a theory that any object could move to any point in the universe instantly without traveling. He called it "Space Folding."

In a desperate attempt to avoid Germany's nuclear submarines in WWII, the U.S. supposedly tried this theory with a fleet of ships. Nobody knows exactly how it went, but it involved the boats successfully moving from point A to point B, though it wasn't to Germany since it was still an experimental tactic. It's not common knowledge whether it started in Philadelphia harbor or ended there, but when the ships reappeared, the men were found torturously welded into the ship. Some were halfway through a wall or ceiling without any signs of breakage, and some suffered even worse fates.

The details are said to be a better protected secret than even Area 51, so I can't confirm how much of this story is true.

Do you think this is a way of showing that Einstein's theory was wrong and it's not something likely to be attempted again? Or do you think like I do, and look at it as a dangerous military tactic for us, once successfully mastered and utilized? As far as we know, America is the only nation to try this lofty concept out, so it could be our greatest advantage from things like war to things like space travel.

Is this the key to futuristic concepts like teleportation? I personally think so, but it's going to take some risky experimentation, and people may have to risk their lives to make it a reality. It would be the biggest engineering and physics project that America needs to be viewed as the greatest country in the world again, in my opinion. We need something that puts us above everyone else. Daring endeavors such as the Panama Canal, the Manhattan Project, and the International Space Station are what have made us great up until now, but some might say that we're losing gas. Restricting laws prevent innovation and engineering wonders like this. I suppose the final question is whether or not you think the Philadelphia Experiment will ever be recreated, and do you think its concept can be utilized beneficially for us as a people?

I entirely do not believe what you just said. At all. I think your story you just told us is probably fake. I know you didn't make it up but I'm thinking someone did.

But, if this really did happen, I'd say that if people are willing, to do it again.

No, it's true. The details are just shady.

Go ahead and google it, there are some websites out there. My Tech teacher was talking about it in class today as well, and he knows his stuff pretty well.

Being a strong believer in strange almost paranormal things such as this, I think they should try this again. Not only that, but reveal the results to the public if it works. But, to avoid casualties, use dummies or even people that have died already <<.

^^^

Sacrifices are needed for great jumps in science such as this. If this is true, it certainly merits a great deal of research and experimentation, so that America, or the entirety of the world can make great leaps in transportation, and an understanding of our universe itself.

I do not buy this. If this was legitimate, then perhaps you could explain how it would supposedly work.

That makes no sense. wtf @ the people being the only thing changed.

I have heard this story before, a while back.
What probably happened wasn't Einstein's theory at all. The question is, where is point B? It could be possible that the ships were traveling at super-fast speeds and that is what caused what happened to the crew. Of course, I don't know much about this, so I cannot really put in a good two cents.

Did you guys read the whole post? Details are shady. Well protected secret. Story I said not 100% likely to be true.

Just google "The Philadelphia Experiment" once. There'll be quite a lot of websites and references. If it was completely made up, then somebody's sure good at mind***ing society.

When it comes to new theories, inventions, ideas, and revolutionary technology, you have to be open minded. Do you think back in the 1800s, it was thought to be possible to get to the moon?

And Othin, humans are WAAAAAAY different in genetic makeup and structure than an inanimate object. There's plenty of possibilities.

Let me just say right now that if you're here to say that this whole thing is bull***, then please leave. Quote + "^^^" or something like that =/= intelligent. That's just being extremely close-minded and lazy.

If it's the best kept government secret, how did you find out about it?

You know that Area 51 at least exists, correct? And there's plenty of speculation and popular stories of what it contains, right?

I said the details are the best kept government secret, not the experiment itself. And not once did I say that was the 100% true story, I said it's a popular theory/story.

EDIT: Here's another theory btw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

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First paragraph

The Philadelphia Experiment was an alleged naval military experiment at the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, sometime around the date of October 28, 1943, in which the U.S. destroyer escort USS Eldridge was to be rendered invisible to human observers for a brief period of time. It is also referred to as Project Rainbow.

Alleged.

That means it's debateable. It always has been debateable if it happened.

I don't see how it's debaetable at all with no facts. :/

There are no facts against it either.

It's like debating whether aliens exist.

But whatever, if you don't find this topic intelligent enough for you, then you can leave.

Personally I think that there isn't enough evidence to be debating about either side. It's just like Atlantis and the Bermuda triangle. It may have happened, but there's no way to know.

But, that wasn't the question Bizox asked, so I'll just respond to him under the assumption that this actually happened.

I think that teleportation and space folding are very, very important and will change the way the world functions. If there is even a remote possibility that we can acheive it, than we need to do our best to fullfill that goal. Of course, precautions will have to be made and dummies/pigs should be used instead of humans, but this could be the beginning of a new, Star-Trek-like age if we can pull it off again.

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You can't debaet without facts. 'twould just be opinions.

Okay!

I find everything that Maraj said to be right. It's like debating if a bunny with dog head exists naturally.

So, I am out of this topic too.

The alleged experiment wasn't even for teleportation. It was to make the ship invisible.

I only read the first post and some others saying it can't be true.But im guesing what einstein ment is you could push space together and move a little then stretch it back out and you would be farther away then the distance you moved. But it seems alot more science fiction then anything we have actualy done yet . And according to the idea that space is itself bent my gravity this could be true in theory.

Yeah it is an irrelevant post now, and maraj might not even read this; but I'm responding to it anyway.


I believe anything can be debatable because everyone has an opinion on something regardless of facts. Ghosts, Aliens, hell even God could fall under that category. As far as I know, there are no facts to say whether or not God would exist. Yet everyone has their own view point on the subject. Atheists and believers(for lack of a better word :/) go back and forth on why they are right in their belief.

I don't want to hear that the Bible is proof, could have just as easily been written as a story for entertainment such as the Harry Potter series.

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I told my friends today and one is real skeptical and says it isn't possible, but we don't know that.

The entire "No facts" thing needs to be dropped. Here's two facts for both sides:

It's there: The fact that there is a story saying it's there.
It isn't there: The fact that it is commonly concepted that *** can't just disappear.

Everyone is being so close minded. There's no such thing as solid facts, rather just information that is thought to be true. Gravity existing isn't a fact, it's just a wide belief and it is _impossible_ to completely prove it's there. However, we've come to accept this as a fact and made it a law of the universe. 2+2=4, that's a wide belief, however if everyone just decided one day that 2+2=5 then that would be what 2+2='d.

Facts are not always true, but opinions are. That's my point, even if we were just arguing opinions with one widely accepted truth, 'fact', it would be a lot more intelligent and in-depth than if we just had a huge array of these 'facts'. If we had enough 'facts' to pinpoint exactly what happened at the Philidelphia Experiment there would be _no_ debate for it, rather how lazy you are on looking it up. Opinions are always the things that make debates.

There is also a story saying that a senior citizen built an arc and managed to herd 2 of EVERY ANIMAL onto said arc.

Other then that everything you said seems pretty solid >_>

Do you have any solid proof that it didn't happen?

This is what he meant by closed-minded.

By the way DH, <3

I you can pull together space using gravity you can move over a large space in less time.

There's a difference between close-mindedness and impossibility.

Those are creationalists so they don't count

Yeah, and people debate it.

It is. Even though the Graviton haven't been found yet, there is mathematical proof that shows the fact that Gravity is there. It isn't debatable. Maybe gravity is more than the concept we know, but you can't deny the proof we have. Gravity has a value and solid concepts. Simple Physics.

How is gravity there?

Without that it's not being proved. And before you tell me how it's there. Tell me how what's making it there is there. Trust me, that goes on forever. It's why a little kid can say "Why" over and over and still be making complete sense. Because we always find a fabric that we can't explain and when we do explain it then there's more connected to it that we can't explain. Making it impossible to _completely_ prove something.

Ya genn,don't know what physics your talking about,every one of my teachers,most of which started out as scientist's and became teachers, say the same as DH.

I bet you I know more of physics than you. You can accept that or, act like a Kid and keep asking "Why?". And in that case all the debates in this subforum would be completely useless, seeing as how I can keep asking "why?" on all of them.

Now, I will stop posting in this thread, not because I am scared or some ***, but because we are getting horribly off-topic. If you want to keep discussing this then make a thread for it. Which would be useless seeing as that debate would never end, but hey, it might work for you to learn something about physics and begin to mature up.