Title: Thought for thinkers
Dez384 - September 5, 2007 03:05 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Friedrich Nietzsche) |
| Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and gray. Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him. |
Discuss
Aeorys Kirru - September 5, 2007 03:23 AM (GMT)
Well, the 'thinker' here would have to be weak in spirit then, if he were the soil. To allow such thoughts to grow would mean that you rely too heavily on others' opinions of yourself, rather than going by what you think instead - which would be the gardener, who pulls the fungus - the conclusions - out of the garden.
gamefreak - September 5, 2007 03:27 AM (GMT)
I don't know whether I'm interpreting this wrong or not, but I think this is talking about stereotypes where people are made to think one thing about a person without even knowing what him/her is like. And it is very sad to judge someone without talking to them.
Dez384 - September 5, 2007 03:39 AM (GMT)
I think that it means that no matter what conditions we find ourselves in, we will always have thoughts, but we must be the master to these thoughts and not let them master us.
Lumoroske - September 5, 2007 07:50 PM (GMT)
Aeo and Dez pretty much said what I was going to say >>
Dez384 - September 6, 2007 11:43 PM (GMT)
Unfortunately, how many of us are truly masters to our thoughts?
Maraj - September 6, 2007 11:49 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 06:43 PM) |
| Unfortunately, how many of us are truly masters to our thoughts? |
Depends what you mean by "our thoughts", since last I checked that's pretty much what composes our conscious mind. >_>
Diagon Dragnier - September 7, 2007 12:15 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 03:43 PM) |
| Unfortunately, how many of us are truly masters to our thoughts? |
Indeed, in the most literal form of what you just said, it's more than easy enough to say "everyone".
Dez384 - September 7, 2007 12:22 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 6 2007, 08:15 PM) |
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 03:43 PM) | | Unfortunately, how many of us are truly masters to our thoughts? |
Indeed, in the most literal form of what you just said, it's more than easy enough to say "everyone".
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But alas, I found the answer to be more along the lines of no one since who has ne'er had a thought that they disliked? Any master of their own thoughts would never have a thought they disliked because everythought would be to their whim.
Diagon Dragnier - September 7, 2007 12:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 04:22 PM) |
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 6 2007, 08:15 PM) | | QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 03:43 PM) | | Unfortunately, how many of us are truly masters to our thoughts? |
Indeed, in the most literal form of what you just said, it's more than easy enough to say "everyone".
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But alas, I found the answer to be more along the lines of no one since who has ne'er had a thought that they disliked? Any master of their own thoughts would never have a thought they disliked because everythought would be to their whim.
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They had the choice to think that and they did choose it. Of course you may regret it soon afterwards (unnoticable even) but the fact remains and that point in time you wanted to think that thought. Something such as an explorative mind that enters realms of thought that they do not want, are on them because they are the ones that decided to be explorative in their thinking.
Dez384 - September 7, 2007 03:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 6 2007, 08:24 PM) |
| QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 04:22 PM) | | QUOTE (Diagon Dragnier @ Sep 6 2007, 08:15 PM) | | QUOTE (Dez384 @ Sep 6 2007, 03:43 PM) | | Unfortunately, how many of us are truly masters to our thoughts? |
Indeed, in the most literal form of what you just said, it's more than easy enough to say "everyone".
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But alas, I found the answer to be more along the lines of no one since who has ne'er had a thought that they disliked? Any master of their own thoughts would never have a thought they disliked because everythought would be to their whim.
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They had the choice to think that and they did choose it. Of course you may regret it soon afterwards (unnoticable even) but the fact remains and that point in time you wanted to think that thought. Something such as an explorative mind that enters realms of thought that they do not want, are on them because they are the ones that decided to be explorative in their thinking.
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I see your point. It seems to be that mastering your thoughts involves keeping them in check instead of not thinking them to begin with.
Hyle Lilia - February 9, 2008 04:47 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Out of damp and gloomy days, out of solitude, out of loveless words directed at us, conclusions grow up in us like fungus: one morning they are there, we know not how, and they gaze upon us, morose and gray. |
In the midst of problems, worries, grief, and fears, we blindly decide that these problems, worries, grief, and fears just come to us out of pure randomness.
| QUOTE |
| Woe to the thinker who is not the gardener but only the soil of the plants that grow in him. |
Sorrow for [Subjected Person] who does not tend to these problems, worries, grief, and fears, but fuels the lifeline for the very hurt inside [Subjected Person].
That is my analysis. :D
Wasabi - April 7, 2008 01:15 AM (GMT)
I think it talking about the light bulb ideas, are you a gradener who works with the idea to expand it, or soil where it ends up rotting there.
