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smallfrog - August 31, 2007 10:18 PM (GMT)
Ok. This is current map of the EU borders. Its simple. Blue=memeber state. Green= applicant state.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...map_III.svg.png

Now as far as Croatia and The Former Macedonian republic of Yugoslavia (a long name I know but please don't ask) they will probably get in without problem.

As far as Turkey goes it is a far more controversial issue. The debate rages about whether it would fut in, as it is not culturally similar to the rest of the EU, and it would be odd to have borders stretching down to Iraq and Lebanon.

Now, here are the positives.

1. More members
2. Turkey has a military equal in size to most of the EU put together. If we plan on taking a more active role in future world politics, we need more manpower.
3. It would mean further influence on the mediterranean front
4. It is in the top 20 economies in the world, with a growth rate of around 7%, meaning it is more self supporting than many new memebers

Negatives.

1. It is not politically stable
2. The army has a close interest in politics, but its aim is to keep the republic secular
3. Turkey is a Muslim country, throwing it apart from the rest of the EU
4. The issue over Cyprus is still at large.

Deniz Baykal - August 31, 2007 10:22 PM (GMT)
Clearly I say yes... B)

Vulac - August 31, 2007 10:25 PM (GMT)
Positives:
1) More members
-The purpose of the EU shouldn't be to get more members.
2) Military power
-For the EU to have a more impacting role in future politics, it can't have shady members.
3) Mediterranean influence
-Even if they did join, they would still have this never ending feud with Greece over water and air territory. A united division I call it.
4) Economy
-Very nice, but if Turkey joins at it's rate of growth with declining economies, it will become the life source. If they leave, the EU will be devastated.

Negatives
1) Political instability
-Can't have an ally if we don't know them
2) Army Politics
-I don't know enough about this
3) Muslim
-Shouldn't make a difference
4) Cyprus
-Again with the "united division"

His Royal Thickness - August 31, 2007 10:26 PM (GMT)
Wasn't the biggest block to them being admitted was their repeated denial and revisioning of the Armenian genocide? And with their latest leader....eh.

I'd be against it, but I'm not European.

Deniz Baykal - August 31, 2007 10:27 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Vulac @ Aug 31 2007, 04:25 PM)
Positives:
1) More members
-The purpose of the EU shouldn't be to get more members.
2) Military power
-For the EU to have a more impacting role in future politics, it can't have shady members.
3) Mediterranean influence
-Even if they did join, they would still have this never ending feud with Greece over water and air territory. A united division I call it.
4) Economy
-Very nice, but if Turkey joins at it's rate of growth with declining economies, it will become the life source. If they leave, the EU will be devastated.

Negatives
1) Political instability
-Can't have an ally if we don't know them
2) Army Politics
-I don't know enough about this
3) Muslim
-Shouldn't make a difference
4) Cyprus
-Again with the "united division"

My nation is shady? lol kidding, yes it is true Turkey is unfortunately pretty corrupt these days... I would for example NEVER run for a political position in Turkey... people on basically any party have been killed... not very safe...

Vulac - August 31, 2007 10:28 PM (GMT)
I have no problem with Turkey joining in the future, after they "clean up" a bit.

Mudd - August 31, 2007 10:29 PM (GMT)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

smallfrog - August 31, 2007 10:30 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Vulac @ Aug 31 2007, 04:25 PM)
4) Economy
-Very nice, but if Turkey joins at it's rate of growth with declining economies, it will become the life source. If they leave, the EU will be devastated.

kindly check the EU's economic growth. of the 27 states, inly have a growth below 2.5%. Fastest at 9.9%, slowest at 1.8%. average of 2.8%.

America - August 31, 2007 10:32 PM (GMT)
My friend in Germany says that Turkey is causing many problems for Germany and the EU. He said to think of it as the Mexico of Europe. I agree, it's not in Europe, and it's not inhabited by Europeans. However I predict fortress Europe will grow to become multi-continental. Hitler should have taken over the world in this manner.

Deniz Baykal - August 31, 2007 10:32 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

Mudd - August 31, 2007 10:35 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

Deniz Baykal - August 31, 2007 10:37 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:35 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

WTF? So you blame the actions of early Turks on the current Republic? Greeks are FAR less oppressed than say Turks in Europe are, and in the EU doctrine it says that nations in the Vicinity of Europe can join, Turkey is in this vicinity, also nations such as Tunisia or Egypt COULD join by the EU charter rules...

But yeah I agree the politics of my nation are horrible, especially now that the Islamists have taken power... if they continue making the nation more and more of a theocracy then yeah Turkey will never be admitted, this is true...

smallfrog - August 31, 2007 10:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:35 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

Er, i think you will find that the Greeks are still there. A bit scorched, but still hanging in. And if you are talking about Cyprus, that is under issues to be solved. As for the Armenians, lets kick out Germany, Britain, Spain, Italy, they have all committed massacre's.

Mudd - August 31, 2007 10:42 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (smallfrog @ Aug 31 2007, 04:39 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:35 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

Er, i think you will find that the Greeks are still there. A bit scorched, but still hanging in. And if you are talking about Cyprus, that is under issues to be solved. As for the Armenians, lets kick out Germany, Britain, Spain, Italy, they have all committed massacre's.

Yeah but they all have economies that aren't prone to crash, they aren't overrun by religious fascism, they don't have ultra super dooper corrupt governments.

Deniz Baykal - August 31, 2007 10:45 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:42 PM)
QUOTE (smallfrog @ Aug 31 2007, 04:39 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:35 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

Er, i think you will find that the Greeks are still there. A bit scorched, but still hanging in. And if you are talking about Cyprus, that is under issues to be solved. As for the Armenians, lets kick out Germany, Britain, Spain, Italy, they have all committed massacre's.

Yeah but they all have economies that aren't prone to crash, they aren't overrun by religious fascism, they don't have ultra super dooper corrupt governments.

I agree with the government part, but I don't think Turkey's economy is prone to crash, tell me one time when my people's economy crashed, it has only gotten better over the years...

Tyrion - August 31, 2007 11:51 PM (GMT)
It'd need to fit the criteria to join in order to join, and they have big problems with corruption and human rights offenses. It'll take them a long time to clean that up.

As for whether or not it should be a member of the European Union once the criteria are met, I'm not sure. I personally don't consider Turkey to be in Europe, but I don't feel too strongly either way.

Deniz Baykal - August 31, 2007 11:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tyrion @ Aug 31 2007, 05:51 PM)
It'd need to fit the criteria to join in order to join, and they have big problems with corruption and human rights offenses. It'll take them a long time to clean that up.

As for whether or not it should be a member of the European Union once the criteria are met, I'm not sure. I personally don't consider Turkey to be in Europe, but I don't feel too strongly either way.

Please show me where it says a nation must be fully in Europe to join the EU.

Daver - August 31, 2007 11:56 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tyrion @ Aug 31 2007, 07:51 PM)
It'd need to fit the criteria to join in order to join, and they have big problems with corruption and human rights offenses. It'll take them a long time to clean that up.

As for whether or not it should be a member of the European Union once the criteria are met, I'm not sure. I personally don't consider Turkey to be in Europe, but I don't feel too strongly either way.

Europe isn't even a continent. It's a region of Eurasia. Eurasia is a continent.

Jormungand - August 31, 2007 11:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE
3. Turkey is a Muslim country, throwing it apart from the rest of the EU

Turkey is a secular country, the same as most of the EU.

Mudd - August 31, 2007 11:58 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 05:54 PM)
QUOTE (Tyrion @ Aug 31 2007, 05:51 PM)
It'd need to fit the criteria to join in order to join, and they have big problems with corruption and human rights offenses. It'll take them a long time to clean that up.

As for whether or not it should be a member of the European Union once the criteria are met, I'm not sure. I personally don't consider Turkey to be in Europe, but I don't feel too strongly either way.

Please show me where it says a nation must be fully in Europe to join the EU.

Well it is the European Union for starters. Not the "Eurpean and some other not so European Union."

Satori - September 1, 2007 12:03 AM (GMT)
The definitions for what constitutes the continent of Europe are purely subjective. There's no tectonic plate that separates it from Asia and the only real basis for distinguishing it from the greater Eurasian continent are the Ural and Caucasus mountain ranges. There are countries in "Europe" that are farther east than Turkey and there are ones farther south than it. So I don't see how Turkey is somehow not part of Europe.

Grey Robe - September 1, 2007 12:03 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Jormungand @ Aug 31 2007, 05:57 PM)
Turkey is a secular country, the same as most of the EU.

Well, it was founded as a secular state, not so sure about the future. With the AKP and all.

Deniz Baykal - September 1, 2007 12:05 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Grey Robe @ Aug 31 2007, 06:03 PM)
Well, it was founded as a secular state, not so sure about the future. With the AKP and all.

Yeah, many Turks that support Attaturk (aka non traitors, and non Brainwashed people) see it, that the Islamists will go more and more towards Islam creating a system similar to that of Iran... Luckily they have not yet done so...

Tyrion - September 1, 2007 12:05 AM (GMT)
I never said anything about continent or otherwise. And I didn't say that it said that a country had to be 'fully in Europe' to join the EU. I said I personally didn't considern Turkey to be a part of Europe. When I think of countries in Europe, Turkey doesn't spring to mind.

Really though, Turkey doesn't stand a chance of getting in until it fits the criteria to.

Deniz Baykal - September 1, 2007 12:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 05:58 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 05:54 PM)
QUOTE (Tyrion @ Aug 31 2007, 05:51 PM)
It'd need to fit the criteria to join in order to join, and they have big problems with corruption and human rights offenses. It'll take them a long time to clean that up.

As for whether or not it should be a member of the European Union once the criteria are met, I'm not sure. I personally don't consider Turkey to be in Europe, but I don't feel too strongly either way.

Please show me where it says a nation must be fully in Europe to join the EU.

Well it is the European Union for starters. Not the "Eurpean and some other not so European Union."

Please, show me where it officially says the nation must be fully in Europe.

Satori - September 1, 2007 12:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 05:35 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

Didn't there used to be a few million Jews in Germany as well? Clearly exterminating minorities does not preclude a nation from membership in the European Union.

Deniz Baykal - September 1, 2007 12:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Satori @ Aug 31 2007, 06:50 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 05:35 PM)
QUOTE (Deniz Baykal @ Aug 31 2007, 04:32 PM)
QUOTE (Mudd @ Aug 31 2007, 04:29 PM)
Is Turkey in Europe?

Is Turkey populated by Europeans?

If you answered no to either of those questions (which you should), then it is quite obvious that Turkey, being a non-European nation, should not be admitted into the European Union.

Besides, who wants to pay a bajillion Euros to prop up a corrupt government that is going to take all the aid money and instead of making their economy somewhat managable, 'borrow' all of it for person reasons.

yeah, turkey is 3% in Europe, yeah there are many types of Europeans living in Turkey, namely Greeks...

3%! Woohoo!

Lets let Turkey 3% into the European Union then. And the Greeks are an oppressed minority. So that doesn't really count. There used to be a lot more Greeks, but they all seemed to dissapear...along with the Armenians.

Now where did I misplace 1 million people.... <psy?>

Didn't there used to be a few million Jews in Germany as well? Clearly exterminating minorities does not preclude a nation from membership in the European Union.

yeah, and that happened in Germany after the Armenians where taken out in Turkiye, so essentially Germany has commited crimes of extermination closer to our current time than Turkey has...

Azaghul - September 1, 2007 01:02 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Grey Robe @ Aug 31 2007, 06:03 PM)
Well, it was founded as a secular state, not so sure about the future. With the AKP and all.

The AKP is reasonably moderate. As long as they are in power because the are democratically elected and are held responsible for their actions by elections, they are not going to try to impose Islamic government or interfere with secularism because they would lose a lot of their political support, and therefore power. The leaders of AKP have promised to uphold secularism, and I don't see them doing much except perhaps relaxing the ban on head scarves which would not be a threat to secularism.

Anyway, I definitely think Turkey should join the EU, as long as it remains democratic and perhaps with a few conditions such as allowing for complete freedom of speech (no throwing people in jail for "insulting Turkishness".) Perhaps also with more guarantees that coups are a complete thing of the past. The threat of coups prevents Turkey from truly being a full democracy.

A few points:
- The definition of Europe is relatively subjective. I consider Turkey to be part of both Europe and the Middle east.
- Turkey's economy is growing pretty well right now. The economic issue is really the only legitimate reason against Turkey's membership (however I think the benefits outweigh this.)
- This would be HUGE in terms of serving as an example of how Muslims and Christians can cooperate and how secular democracy can succeed in the Muslim world.
- Turkey's position as a military power and its location are very important. Having it aligned with Europe and the west, instead of middle eastern enemies or Russia, is important.

Arbaces - September 1, 2007 01:08 AM (GMT)
No way! Should they wish to make an Islamic Union with Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia they are free to do so. The Turks live on Byzantine territory, and they always opposed the European values. However I may be blamed that I live too much in history, and is also true that Christianity and Islam are both the same crappy monotheistic religions. So, from my side, it's so-so; I'm not in the mood to come with better arguments, I may not be able to, so while I'm not very well informed of the current political environment they are in, I disagree on the base of historical knowledge.


Arbaces.

Deniz Baykal - September 1, 2007 01:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Arbaces @ Aug 31 2007, 07:08 PM)
No way! Should they wish to make an Islamic Union with Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia they are free to do so. The Turks live on Byzantine territory, and they always opposed the European values. However I may be blamed that I live too much in history, and is also true that Christianity and Islam are both the same crappy monotheistic religions. So, from my side, it's so-so; I'm not in the mood to come with better arguments, I may not be able to, so while I'm not very well informed of the current political environment they are in, I disagree on the base of historical knowledge.


Arbaces.

Meh. Whatever you say, my friend... just saying Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire anymore... it is not an Islamic nation... and let's hope it stays this way, the Republic is founded strongly on the belief of Secularism...

Azaghul - September 1, 2007 01:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Arbaces @ Aug 31 2007, 07:08 PM)
No way! Should they wish to make an Islamic Union with Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia they are free to do so. The Turks live on Byzantine territory, and they always opposed the European values. However I may be blamed that I live too much in history, and is also true that Christianity and Islam are both the same crappy monotheistic religions. So, from my side, it's so-so; I'm not in the mood to come with better arguments, I may not be able to, so while I'm not very well informed of the current political environment they are in, I disagree on the base of historical knowledge.


Arbaces.

Just a question, are Americans living on Native American territory? The Mexicans on Aztec territory? The Israelis on Arab territory?

Turkey's political system, ideology and leanings are much more in line with Europe than with the rest of the Middle East.

Kenadian_2006 - September 1, 2007 04:16 AM (GMT)
I'm for it, so long as they can clean its act up a bit. But for those that are opposed to entering because its a Muslim country...seriously. Turkey probably is more secular, atleast in an official sense, than most European countries. Definitely more secular than Britain atleast.

Genre - September 1, 2007 05:32 AM (GMT)
I will admit that I haven't really read the whole thread, but does it really matter is turkey is technically part of Europe? If it functions as a country that meets the EU's standards, and its geographic situation doesn't affect it's ability to interact effectively with the other members of the EU, who cares if it is really part of Europe, especially since even if it not, it is close enough to debate over.

Erisia - September 1, 2007 06:44 AM (GMT)
Turkey has a history of secularism, I don't see why not.

Themea - September 1, 2007 07:18 AM (GMT)
Is Turkey even a part of Europe?

auto98 - September 1, 2007 09:01 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Vulac @ Aug 31 2007, 04:25 PM)
3) Mediterranean influence
-Even if they did join, they would still have this never ending feud with Greece over water and air territory. A united division I call it.

Actually one of the rules of EU membership is that you may have no claim on another members land - so Greece and Turkey would be unable to fight about Cyprus

And Turkey may have a mainly muslim population, but the state is secular

And Arbaces - the modern state of Turkey is far more westernised than the other nations around it, to the extent that it is more suited to joining the EU than an pan-Islamic union (which they obviously couldn't do anyway, being secular)

QUOTE
(no throwing people in jail for "insulting Turkishness".)
Interestingly in France, radio stations can be taken to court for not playing enough "French" music (ie to prevent the degradation of the French language) which in my mind is preventing free speech.

buller - September 1, 2007 10:02 AM (GMT)
No, too much torture and slaying down there to make it worth it.

Their economy is really on the rise i hear, but what does that matter if they cant even adhere to basic human rights?

smallfrog - September 1, 2007 11:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Arbaces @ Aug 31 2007, 07:08 PM)
No way! Should they wish to make an Islamic Union with Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia they are free to do so. The Turks live on Byzantine territory, and they always opposed the European values.

The green represents Byzantine territory.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm...ntineEmpire.png

SO we should not allow Greece to join. Accept that they already have.

QUOTE
Is Turkey even a part of Europe?


Define Europe. If you define it as a cultural place you have lots of problems. Italy is very different to the U.K, and so is Spain to Poland.

Defining it as an area is easier, but how do you draw the line on the eastern border? The southern border is the Mediterranean, and even that causes problems due to the islands in it. And Cyprus, which is ruled by 3 countries of which 2 are EU memebers, is south of Turkey.



Dutchieland - September 1, 2007 11:26 AM (GMT)
No, Turkey should not be allowed in the European Union.

EvilCartyen - September 1, 2007 11:29 AM (GMT)
Yes plz

But some problems are apparent;

The Kurdish Question
Secularity
Human Rights

And that's about it.




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