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This is the single hardest announcement I have ever made.

Recently, the alliance known as Valhalla has declared war on our allies, CoAN. We have a ToA. NOAH would prefer to defend our allies, but unfortuanately, we cannot even begin to pretend that we'd be able to contend with the military force of Valhalla, so we must not engage into any military actions in support of CoAN.

However, NOAH places its full and unwaivering support of CoAN. Valhalla's reason for war was pathetic, and entirely a war mongering attempt to remove a purple alliance from their sphere.
NOAH wishes to apologise to our allies for not being able to help them.

Although we do not wish to pick members of CoAN off, and Overlord Jim and Lady Cierra understand this as we have talked extensively, Valhalla has told us that if any CoAN members wish to join NOAH that all hostile actions shall cease. Although we will accept them, we ask that no CoAN members leave their alliance because of this unless they leave respectfully from CoAN and in good graces with Lady Cierra and Jim. Hold strong, CoAN. Your ideals of Loyalty, Justice, and Honor shall live on.


Best Regards,

Sir Sci
NOAH Director of the Congregation

good decision

did valhalla post a public DoW?

Not to my knowledge. They just attacked, full tilt. Perhaps I am mistaken, but I dont think there was ever a real DoW.

I am wondering this as well. It's not like these are no-name alliances we've never heard of. Wars don't usually pass under my radar unless that is the case...and even then.

There was no reason for this to be a war, all CoAN had to do was agree to stop insulting us.

That stopped being a good casus belli over a year ago when "breathing our air" went out of style.

Valhalla attacking CoAN and The Legion?

Re-read what I just said.

Valhalla and Legion aren't at war.

They we're like last week

I would like to get a list of what words we can, and cannot use in discussions with alliances who are bigger than us. Just so I dont say something improper.

How did they insult you? This is the CN forums, if it werent for trolling, flames, insults, and thinly veiled threats, there wouldnt be anything to say.

But destroying an alliance over a percieved insult. Thats plain wrong, and you know it. A warning shot? sure. Sending a 3 on 1 midnight blitz with no warning? A little over the top IMO. Now, credit where credit is due; it was a perfectly executed attack I must say. You managed to anarchy 18 out of 20 nations before 1 am. Of course, you are (were) 10 times their size.

All this over a percieved insult? how about diplomacy? Get mad on the boards, chew them out, ask nicely, any of those?

Just curious.


edited for stupid quote markers

Dave Johns you need to fix that quote, I never said it. And yes we did ask them and warn them to stop.

I'm curious, what exactly did the members of CoAN say to Valhalla? If it's none of my business, I apologize, but I can't decide on a stance unless I know the whole situation.

I re-read what you said.


It's still not a good casus belli.

"Sticks and stones may break my nation, but words can never hurt it."
Dude, get the %@#* over yourself

EDIT: Screw civility

So what if they said something you didn't like?,It is a game, and be the bigger man and walk away.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/Cyber_Nations/...showtopic=81777


This is the thread that apparently did it. short form? LC referred to noWedge as a tyrant. Overlord Jim threw a wall of text into the mix, and the rest, as they say is, ZI.

I havent found any other topics where LC or Jim trolled. Perhaps someone in valhalla can help.

First Legion.

Then CoAN.

..........

I do wonder who is next

Invicta watch out! :P
anyways my .02 cents.
Attacking an alliance just because of an insult is just plain wrong, Valhalla, to me, are throwing their weight around and sooner or later this little strategy may come out to bite them. Furthermore, since I seem to be obsessing over Valhalla stats for around 3 months, I've seen them remain stagnant at ~90 members, they go up, then suddenly over one night 15 members drop out.

^ Dumbest reason for going to war with CoAN.

If you hadn't before, you have now shown your true colors Valhalla, and they aren't purple.

First of all, Legion war was fully justified. They spyied, knew about it, tried to cover it up with shakkespear like logs, and then lied about it. Now, we gave CoAN warning that they were stepping in dangerous territory with their constant flaming. You go look for a Valhalla announcement, and there is a 95% chance that Jon or LC got to it, and began flaming the "tryant" for his actions. MDAP with \m/, they flamed. DoW with Legion, they flamed. They even flamed us in Legion's shakespear logs thread.

How about in the DoW on the legion SEVERAL times. In which they were asked to cease and desist.

Now then THAT being said why dont we also have REAL info here

[QUOTE][19:39:52] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> And for some reason, Valhalla and CoAN have just rubbed each other the wrong way, and she has taken a personal dislike to NoWedge.
[19:40:01] <chefjoe> heh
[19:40:02] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> Now I know I am not entirely not to blame in this either.
[19:40:03] <chefjoe> some do
[19:40:36] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> It probably has to do with the fact that NoWedge booted her friend Graphix from Valhalla a long time ago.
[19:41:06] <chefjoe> well Jim
[19:41:07] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> But whatever the reason, we took the side of our friends in your recent conflict.
[19:41:16] <chefjoe> yus
[19:41:18] <chefjoe> but
[19:41:20] <chefjoe> that is ok
[19:41:22] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> And we said said things we ought not to have.
[19:41:27] <chefjoe> it was the manner
[19:41:47] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> I know that. I was not being particularly tactful either.
[19:41:54] <chefjoe> no you were not
[19:42:03] <chefjoe> and this being CN
[19:42:10] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> I was in a mood for an arguement, I though you had a paper thin casus belli and I was spoiling for an argument. [/QUOTE]

Also from further on in that convo

[QUOTE][20:41:19] <Lord_Swampy> You have conducted yourselves as well as anyone can expect of you in circumstances such as you face.
[20:41:52] <Lord_Swampy> And I'm truly saddened that we could get no further than terms just out of reach.
[20:42:11] <chefjoe> me too swampy
[20:42:22] <chefjoe> maybe in a frew days when things cool down
[20:42:25] <chefjoe> *few
[20:42:26] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> I regret that I cannot be more accomodating.
[20:42:30] <chefjoe> Jim
[20:42:37] <chefjoe> you have actually been great
[20:42:41] <Lord_Swampy> You really have.
[20:43:07] <chefjoe> I have backed off my original stance becuase I recognized your willingness here
[20:43:17] <chefjoe> I just cant back away from a core issue
[20:43:20] <chefjoe> I am sorry
[20:43:25] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> I have always aspired to be the statesman, gentlemen. In a lapse of judgement, I questioned the integrity of a fellow statesman.
[20:43:36] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> And supported my leader in doing the same.
[20:43:46] <chefjoe> it happens Jim
[20:43:48] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> As a result, all those who lived under my protection for the last year are suffering and dying.
[20:44:04] <chefjoe> well I would then say this
[20:44:14] <chefjoe> suggest to them to take the individual terms
[20:44:18] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> In the open world, I spoke of glory and honor, but there is neither in war.
[20:44:30] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> They are free nations, free to do as they will
[20:44:39] <chefjoe> they sure are
[20:44:41] <chefjoe> but
[20:44:57] <chefjoe> some may be sticking it out becuase they see LC doing so
[20:45:02] <Overlord_Jim_I[CoAN]> I understand I have brought this on the Confederation as has Lady Cierra. We will accept our fates and fight until Valhalla is willing to end the war. [/QUOTE]

I think that even THEY understood what they did was in error. So please refrain from accusations you know little about.

TY

If you insult an alliance expect to deal with the consequences. Some will ignore you, some will troll you some will destroy you. Any alliance leadership that comes here and publicly insults or allows it members to insult a more powerful alliance deserves what they get. We have seen happen time and time again. Do not talk the talk unless you plan on walking the walk.

Nice editing. If you dont mind, lets have the whole discussion.

And I have a pretty good idea what is going on, sir. It is pretty obvious.

links or it never happened genius

Exactly what I was thinking.

Thanks for the flashback, but seriously valhalla "they teased me" isn't exactly a reasonable cause for war. Even in PWI it was flimsy at best.

Oh man, delta doesn't like our Casus Belli on a no namer alliance. I guess we will have to stop being big meanies.

I, for one, am not a fan of having my alliance flamed by nothings. If CoAN didn't want to mess with the big kid on the playground then they should have kept their mouths shut. I



<reddev>

If CoAN are nothings, then why does it sting so badly that you want to crush them?

As the guy's fingers in Roy's avatar are doing....you just got burned!

okay, did he just mention nW as a girl?
anyways, Chefjoe, even a tiger would prance around saying, "cheerio" if he was cornered.

ooc:Why does this week involve bigger alliances attacking small ones?

IC: I dont like how this went down and I hope peace will be found, but other than that I cant say much more, though this is a disappointing action.

I agree totally. I'm happy to see that someone understands Valhalla's decision.

And what is the definition of "no-namer"? Time in game, size, whether they are your friends?

Please clarify.

It doesn't matter how many times they insulted you. Did they ever commit any action that can be seen as agressive towards your alliance aside from the insults? Not once has anything like that been mentioned anywhere. In which case, ignoring them would seem to be the wiser option. This war has sent Valhalla's reputation down the drain, and I think most alliances will be treating Valhalla with a little less respect now.

The above statement is my own personal opinion, and does not represent my alliance's point of view on it.

I really like how you are avoiding Roy's point.

I don't want to crush them. I just think they need to learn their place.

And you are?

aren't we getting a bit too big for our boots?
edit- my oh my, you might need a lesson in CN history if you don't know who kevanovia is.

ROFLMAO at RIA being a no-name alliance.

In the end, I must sadly remark that those who started this conflict got the worst of it. You don't throw your opinions like stones, no matter how true or false they may be, because in this world, they aren't harder then a paper ball, which still, thrown in the wrong area of the body, at the wrong man, in the wrong moment, can trigger unexpected effects.


Arbaces.