Title: Study: There Are 9 Guns for Every 10 Americans
Description: Damn, another one of those threads
-Wolverine- - August 29, 2007 09:00 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
GENEVA — There are nine guns for every 10 people in the United States, with about 270 million firearms in circulation, according to a report released Tuesday.
Worldwide, civilians now have access to 650 million small arms — from handguns to semiautomatic rifles — an arsenal that far outstrips what is held by police and militaries, according to the annual Small Arms Survey. It estimates that civilians account for about three-fourths of the 875 million such weapons in circulation.
"Civilian holdings of weapons worldwide are much larger than we previously believed," the director of the Geneva-based group, Keith Krause, told reporters.
But it is the United States that has the heaviest concentration of firearms.
Of the 8 million new firearms manufactured annually around the world, roughly 4.5 million are bought in the United States.
Other countries with high per capita ownership include Yemen, with 61 small arms per 100 people; Finland with 56; Switzerland with 46 and Iraq with 39.
Much lower on the scale are Brazil, with nine guns per 100 people, England and Wales with six, India with four, China with three and Nigeria with one.
The report notes that only about 12 percent of all weapons worldwide are registered with authorities, making it difficult to collect exact data on gun possession. Five years ago the group estimated a total of 640 million small arms worldwide.
"There's a large number of states in the middle, mostly northern industrial states in Western Europe and North America," said Krause, citing France, with 32 per 100 people; Canada and Sweden, with 31 each and Germany, with 30.
The figures dispel the idea that gun ownership and high levels of violence necessarily go hand in hand, he said.
"There's no clear relationship between more guns and higher levels of violence," Krause said, pointing to low ownership and high crime rates in Latin America.
He said studies had shown that gun violence often occurred in places undergoing rapid urban growth, and when lawless areas are created by extreme poverty and the absence of effective policing.
The problem is worsened when members of government or police forces sell ammunition on the black market, Krause said.
In Rio de Janeiro, "a combination of factors suggest that state security forces — most notably the police — are the source of much of the assault rifle ammunition in the hands of criminal gangs," the report said.
Thousands of arms supplied to Iraq by the United States are believed to have been acquired by insurgents through rogue elements in the Iraqi security forces.
Sudan, meanwhile, has purchased more than 25 million firearms in recent years — mostly from China and Iran — despite well-documented human rights violations committed by government-backed militias.
Krause said wealthy countries with lower crime rates, such as those in the 27-nation European Union, are dealing with an increased flow of small arms across borders where controls have been loosened.
Recent shootings in Britain — where ownership is severely restricted and the gun crime rate is low — highlight the need for greater police cooperation in Europe, he said. |
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294976,00.htmlEpic. Keep in mind that there are
90 guns per 100 people. This does not mean nine out of ten people own a guns, about about 30%-40ish% of US households possess a firearm. People, like myself, often own multiple firearms.
Oh, I highlighted the most important part.
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 09:02 PM (GMT)
The most importion question is this:
How do we arm that last person?
Japan - August 29, 2007 09:03 PM (GMT)
England and Wales with six,
Jesus christ, 6 guns for every hundred people, personally I find that - for england, to be quite horrific. No wonder we have a mass number of people being killed in gun crime over the past few weeks. If this includes armed police and army then maybe, but for the population that is horrific and scary.
also;
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| Recent shootings in Britain — where ownership is severely restricted and the gun crime rate is low — highlight the need for greater police cooperation in Europe, he said. |
Listen to the man
Mikhail - August 29, 2007 09:03 PM (GMT)
From Fox news? Expected/10
King C - August 29, 2007 09:08 PM (GMT)
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| an arsenal that far outstrips what is held by police and militaries |
Then what shoudl you do? :huh:
HOW ABOUT BUY THEM!!!! :((
If we can have them, police should have them.
Doesn't that seem fair?
I wanna see a cop holding a pistol AND and uzi!!
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 09:12 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (King C @ Aug 29 2007, 03:08 PM) |
Then what shoudl you do? :huh:
HOW ABOUT BUY THEM!!!! :((
If we can have them, police should have them.
Doesn't that seem fair?
I wanna see a cop holding a pistol AND and uzi!! |
Shotgun in the holder in the front seat, and an M4 in the trunk.
So says my pal in the Reno PD.
FlameDarkfire - August 29, 2007 09:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (King C @ Aug 29 2007, 03:08 PM) |
HOW ABOUT BUY THEM!!!! :((
I wanna see a cop holding a pistol AND and uzi!! |
That would be epic. Anyway, my household has two guns for every person, so we're really packing. :J
Gustave5436 - August 29, 2007 09:15 PM (GMT)
Good to see if zombie nazis form an alliance with those dirty commies and then swim across the Atlantic to attack us, we'll be safe.
Electron Sponge - August 29, 2007 09:19 PM (GMT)
King C - August 29, 2007 09:20 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 03:12 PM) |
| QUOTE (King C @ Aug 29 2007, 03:08 PM) | Then what shoudl you do? :huh:
HOW ABOUT BUY THEM!!!! :((
If we can have them, police should have them.
Doesn't that seem fair?
I wanna see a cop holding a pistol AND and uzi!! |
Shotgun in the holder in the front seat, and an M4 in the trunk.
So says my pal in the Reno PD.
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Ya but if your away from your car, it isn't gunan help ya.
They need atleast 1 semi and one auto with them. Pistol v automatic=Automatic>
Automatic (police) v Automatic (them)= police >
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 09:22 PM (GMT)
Perhaps, but it doesn't do the motorist much good to see an officer walking up on their side of the vehicle with an assault rifle and full combat gear at the ready. That's why high risk areas use two or more cars, so they have a 'first response' unit ready should something untoward happen.
Automatic weapons, while useful (and fun), don't convey the sense of security that John Q. Public has become accustomed to. I would rather the police have better aim with the weapons they have before they pull out the heavy artillery.
FlameDarkfire - August 29, 2007 09:30 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Electron Sponge @ Aug 29 2007, 03:19 PM) |
| Arm the homeless. |
"Please sir, can I have some change?"
"Sod off."
*Pulls gun out* "Wanna try again?"
Great solution <_<
Arm everyone, cuz then it'll go like this.
"Please sir can I have some money?"
"Sod off."
*They both pull a gun out*
"Well isn't this ducky..."
Megami - August 29, 2007 09:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE |
| Worldwide, civilians now have access to 650 million small arms — from handguns to semiautomatic rifles — an arsenal that far outstrips what is held by police and militaries, according to the annual Small Arms Survey. It estimates that civilians account for about three-fourths of the 875 million such weapons in circulation. |
As it should be. :J
Kenadian_2006 - August 29, 2007 10:10 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Megami @ Aug 29 2007, 05:46 PM) |
As it should be. :J |
Something tells me to never want to meet Megami in real life for fear of what her arsenal can do. <psy?>
Starfox101 - August 29, 2007 10:28 PM (GMT)
And this is why the US will never be conquered, ever. Think of it as our Russian Winter.
Gustave5436 - August 29, 2007 10:33 PM (GMT)
We won't be conquered because nuclear weapons have been invented, not because our civilians have some firearms.
Brotherington - August 29, 2007 10:34 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Japan @ Aug 29 2007, 03:03 PM) |
England and Wales with six,
Jesus christ, 6 guns for every hundred people, personally I find that - for england, to be quite horrific. No wonder we have a mass number of people being killed in gun crime over the past few weeks. If this includes armed police and army then maybe, but for the population that is horrific and scary.
also;
Listen to the man |
wait, what recent shootings? Have I missed something big? D:
Lord_GVChamp - August 29, 2007 10:35 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Aug 29 2007, 04:10 PM) |
| QUOTE (Megami @ Aug 29 2007, 05:46 PM) |
As it should be. :J |
Something tells me to never want to meet Megami in real life for fear of what her arsenal can do. <psy?>
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She's told me, and it's scary. :J
I'm happy to see that the US is heavily armed. Time for a revolution, my good friends?
Jhouserok - August 29, 2007 10:42 PM (GMT)
Cops in my old town used to have their side arms and a 12 gauge or MP5 locked in the front of their vehicle, and some variation of the AR-15 in the trunk.
princecaspian - August 29, 2007 10:43 PM (GMT)
Kevin the Great - August 29, 2007 10:44 PM (GMT)
Think of it as freedom insurance.
FlameDarkfire - August 29, 2007 11:02 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kevin the Great @ Aug 29 2007, 04:44 PM) |
| Think of it as freedom insurance. |
Read my sig for relevant comments on the issue.
Guns forever!
Kevin the Great - August 29, 2007 11:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (FlameDarkfire @ Aug 29 2007, 05:02 PM) |
Read my sig for relevant comments on the issue.
Guns forever! |
Yeah that saying has been around for years.
Decadence2010 - August 29, 2007 11:19 PM (GMT)
I oughta get me a rifle
in case the chinese invade or i run into an armed homeless dude...
patjenn - August 29, 2007 11:53 PM (GMT)
270 mil divided by 650 mil...
41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome:
Vorkosigan - August 30, 2007 12:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) |
270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
Kevin the Great - August 30, 2007 12:25 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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Guns don't cause crime. When was the last time you heard of a rash of shootings in Switzerland or Finland? Never.
The US dosn't have a gun problem, we have a crime problem. Urban poverty and a piss-poor education system are bigger factors than guns.
mastab - August 30, 2007 12:42 AM (GMT)
I agree entirely. It is not our amount of guns, violence in the media, or culture that causes our high murder and crime rates - the rest of the world has those things too and they're fine. There's something about the US that causes violence, but it's an unknown variable and we shouldn't start making laws to try and stop it until we know what it is. I personally think we're all crazy, although I've heard that our surplus of everything and amount of free time gives us more time to think about how sad we are and how much we want to hurt people. Who knows.
-Wolverine- - August 30, 2007 01:49 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) |
| QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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... and at the same time we have more guns than any other nation on earth, but a lower murder rate than other countries.
Murders (per capita) (Latest available) by country
#1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_...ders-per-capita99.9999% of the firearms will not be used to kill someone this year. Thats an astronomically small number. Actual uses in self-defense is rather small as well.
Guns =/= crime.
Vorkosigan - August 30, 2007 01:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (-Wolverine- @ Aug 29 2007, 07:49 PM) |
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) | | QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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... and at the same time we have more guns than any other nation on earth, but a lower murder rate than other countries.
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That's why I said first world. It's pretty obvious that there are higher homicide rates in other nations, but then there are other nations that are in complete anarchy. And I agree that the media's representation of violence does have a role to play in causing crime, but there is no one cause to crime, and guns certainly do facilitate the commiting of crimes.
Kevin the Great - August 30, 2007 01:54 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 07:53 PM) |
| and guns certainly do facilitate the commiting of crimes. |
In the same way that spoons facilitate the eating of food.
-Wolverine- - August 30, 2007 02:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 07:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (-Wolverine- @ Aug 29 2007, 07:49 PM) | | QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) | | QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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... and at the same time we have more guns than any other nation on earth, but a lower murder rate than other countries.
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That's why I said first world. It's pretty obvious that there are higher homicide rates in other nations, but then there are other nations that are in complete anarchy. And I agree that the media's representation of violence does have a role to play in causing crime, but there is no one cause to crime, and guns certainly do facilitate the commiting of crimes.
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You simply say first world to exclude the 23 nations who have higher murder rates than the US. If guns caused crime, we should rank #1 on that list. If guns contributed to suicide, the US should rank #1. If guns prevented crime we should rank at the very bottom.
Guns have a minimal impact on crime. Better to have one and not need it, but still, minimal.
"Guns certainly do facilitate the committing of crimes."? Why have I not committed a crime yet?
Vulac - August 30, 2007 02:05 AM (GMT)
[monotone] oh no, people with guns...sooooomebody save us[/monotone]
FlameDarkfire - August 30, 2007 02:07 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (-Wolverine- @ Aug 29 2007, 08:02 PM) |
| "Guns certainly do facilitate the committing of crimes."? Why have I not committed a crime yet? |
Because, somewhere along the line, your parents weren't spoon-fed by the liberal media into believing the BS made up about guns and thus not allowing you to own them, thereby passing the stigma onto another generation to propagate the lies? Because of which you learned about firearms in a safe and structured environment and was taught discipline around them?
Sigmund Sauer - August 30, 2007 02:32 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kevin the Great @ Aug 29 2007, 07:25 PM) |
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) | | QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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Guns don't cause crime. When was the last time you heard of a rash of shootings in Switzerland or Finland? Never.
The US dosn't have a gun problem, we have a crime problem. Urban poverty and a piss-poor education system are bigger factors than guns.
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There's no poverty in Europe? Ha! Our crime problem has not to do with poverty, nor education, nor gun ownership, but rather with bad values or none at all.
Mao Zedong - August 30, 2007 02:39 AM (GMT)
It's amazing how paranoid so many American gun owners seem to be.
Heyman - August 30, 2007 03:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Mao Zedong @ Aug 29 2007, 09:39 PM) |
| It's amazing how paranoid so many American gun owners seem to be. |
It's true. All the gun haters made us this way.
Kenadian_2006 - August 30, 2007 03:05 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Sigmund Sauer @ Aug 29 2007, 10:32 PM) |
| QUOTE (Kevin the Great @ Aug 29 2007, 07:25 PM) | | QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) | | QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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Guns don't cause crime. When was the last time you heard of a rash of shootings in Switzerland or Finland? Never.
The US dosn't have a gun problem, we have a crime problem. Urban poverty and a piss-poor education system are bigger factors than guns.
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There's no poverty in Europe? Ha! Our crime problem has not to do with poverty, nor education, nor gun ownership, but rather with bad values or none at all.
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I highly doubt you can just throw aside poor-education and poverty in some areas as a cause for crime...cause they ARE some of the causes for crime. :huh:
Esau of Isaac - August 30, 2007 03:46 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (-Wolverine- @ Aug 29 2007, 07:49 PM) | | QUOTE (Vorkosigan @ Aug 29 2007, 06:14 PM) | | QUOTE (patjenn @ Aug 29 2007, 05:53 PM) | 270 mil divided by 650 mil... 41.5% of all civilian-owned guns are owned by U.S. citizens... We're big, rich, and armed to the teeth. :awesome: |
Of course, we also have one of the highest homicide rates in the First World. I'm not particularly sure this is a good thing.
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... and at the same time we have more guns than any other nation on earth, but a lower murder rate than other countries.
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That's why I said first world. It's pretty obvious that there are higher homicide rates in other nations, but then there are other nations that are in complete anarchy. And I agree that the media's representation of violence does have a role to play in causing crime, but there is no one cause to crime, and guns certainly do facilitate the commiting of crimes.
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I both agree and disagree. While guns give criminals a weapon and can facilitate crime, said weapons will never leave the criminal's hand, regardless of how many gun bans there are.
Might as well let everyone have a gun, instead of leaving the sensible ones defenseless.
Opethian - August 30, 2007 05:29 AM (GMT)
I love when politicians try to assure us that taking guns away from law abiding citizens makes them safer. Unfortunately, a large portion of the population is dumb enough to follow that sort of logic.