Title: Pastor asks followers to pray
Description: for his critics to die
lamuella - August 29, 2007 02:52 PM (GMT)
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Wiley S. Drake, a Buena Park pastor and a former national leader of the Southern Baptist Convention, called on his followers to pray for the deaths of two leaders of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.
The request was in response to the liberal group’s urging the IRS on Tuesday to investigate Drake’s church’s nonprofit status because Drake endorsed former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee for president on church letterhead and during a church-affiliated Internet radio show.
Drake said Wednesday he was “simply doing what God told me to do” by targeting Americans United officials Joe Conn and Jeremy Leaming, whom he calls the “enemies of God.”
“God says to pray imprecatory prayer against people who attack God’s church,” he said. “The Bible says that if anybody attacks God’s people, David said this is what will happen to them. . . . Children will become orphans and wives will become widows.”
Imprecatory prayers are alternately defined as praying for someone’s misfortune, or an appeal to God for justice.
“Let his days be few; and let another take his office,” the prayer reads. “Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow.”
Conn said he was “startled” at Drake’s reaction to the complaint against Drake’s First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park.
“We expected him to try to defend his actions,” Conn said.
“Instead he goes on spiritual blitzkrieg against us, praying for our destruction. He completely glossed over the fact that his actions are clearly a violation of federal tax law.”
Drake is a long-time Orange County evangelical preacher who frequently captures the spotlight.
In the 1990s, he protested “Gay Day” at Disneyland and a 2 Live Crew concert as obscene. He also fought Buena Park city officials who tried to stop him from sheltering homeless people on church grounds. |
I think his bible is missing a few very important pages.
Anu Drake - August 29, 2007 02:56 PM (GMT)
He's just doing what God told him to do. These spiteful secularist progressives have been the cause of so much of societies ills that a simple prayer for their death is the least they could do.
/why does God only instruct the loonies?
CatintheHat - August 29, 2007 02:59 PM (GMT)
I'm just waiting for the "Religion of Love" apologists to turn up.
tannerus - August 29, 2007 03:00 PM (GMT)
i love my Brick.... Drriinnk
Laenis - August 29, 2007 03:02 PM (GMT)
A christian ignoring the Bible's teachings and acting in a way that would sicken Christ? Say it ain't so!
“Now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.” - How many of these fundamentalists put charity before faith?
Bumpy - August 29, 2007 03:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Anu Drake @ Aug 29 2007, 09:56 AM) |
He's just doing what God told him to do. These spiteful secularist progressives have been the cause of so much of societies ills that a simple prayer for their death is the least they could do.
/why does God only instruct the loonies? |
Perhaps because only the "loonies" hear his voice in their heads?
tannerus - August 29, 2007 03:10 PM (GMT)
i hear voices.. lots of voices...
Prd777 - August 29, 2007 03:15 PM (GMT)
Bloody extremists. <M>
| QUOTE (Laenis Posted on Aug 29 2007 @ 09:02 AM) |
| “Now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.” - How many of these fundamentalists put charity before faith? |
Well said.
TheSIN - August 29, 2007 03:34 PM (GMT)
What better way to get rid of your enemies than to have God smite them?
Now...if only God was actually that way and doing so actually worked.......
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 03:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TheSIN @ Aug 29 2007, 09:34 AM) |
What better way to get rid of your enemies than to have God smite them?
Now...if only God was actually that way and doing so actually worked....... |
He was, about up to the time some carpenter turned bartender started walking around Jerusalem.
TheSIN - August 29, 2007 03:43 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 09:39 AM) |
| QUOTE (TheSIN @ Aug 29 2007, 09:34 AM) | What better way to get rid of your enemies than to have God smite them?
Now...if only God was actually that way and doing so actually worked....... |
He was, about up to the time some carpenter turned bartender started walking around Jerusalem.
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Heh. I really do wish it was like that...it would make life a whole lot more interesting.
"God, Jerry stole my juice box today...please smite his *!%@$ ass".
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 03:44 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TheSIN @ Aug 29 2007, 09:43 AM) |
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 09:39 AM) | | QUOTE (TheSIN @ Aug 29 2007, 09:34 AM) | What better way to get rid of your enemies than to have God smite them?
Now...if only God was actually that way and doing so actually worked....... |
He was, about up to the time some carpenter turned bartender started walking around Jerusalem.
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Heh. I really do wish it was like that...it would make life a whole lot more interesting.
"God, Jerry stole my juice box today...please smite his *!%@$ ass".
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For some really weird reason, I just thought of Shark Week and Reversal of Fortune.
That would be about four and a half kinds of awesome, if prayers were answered that way.
Kenadian_2006 - August 29, 2007 04:09 PM (GMT)
I've read the bible, I don't remember any part of it saying pray for nasty @#$% to happen to your neighbour. Unless that part came up in Old Testament...then I can understand the crazy ass part of it.
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 04:16 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Aug 29 2007, 10:09 AM) |
| I've read the bible, I don't remember any part of it saying pray for nasty @#$% to happen to your neighbour. Unless that part came up in Old Testament...then I can understand the crazy ass part of it. |
From what I understand of New Testament, God's a pretty cool guy. Old Testament? Not so much.
Kenadian_2006 - August 29, 2007 04:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 12:16 PM) |
| From what I understand of New Testament, God's a pretty cool guy. Old Testament? Not so much. |
Yep, too bad the Old Testament exists. It's like a criminal record almost...always haunting God at job interviews.
Prd777 - August 29, 2007 04:24 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 10:16 AM) |
| From what I understand of New Testament, God's a pretty cool guy. Old Testament? Not so much. |
Duel personality. Even the divine appear to be sufferer's.
Saniel - August 29, 2007 04:37 PM (GMT)
And why is this person not in Gitmo having their genitals electrocuted at the present time?
Kenadian_2006 - August 29, 2007 04:38 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saniel @ Aug 29 2007, 12:37 PM) |
| And why is this person not in Gitmo having their genitals electrocuted at the present time? |
Gitmo is only for people who hate our freedom. *nods*
New Moscovy - August 29, 2007 04:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Anu Drake @ Aug 29 2007, 08:56 AM) |
| /why does God only instruct the loonies? |
Sigged. :P
Alonocus - August 29, 2007 05:47 PM (GMT)
No, he's old testament christian. "Smite my enemies lord and I'll sacrifice mmy children".
Galaisa - August 29, 2007 05:52 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (tannerus @ Aug 29 2007, 09:00 AM) |
| i love my Brick.... Drriinnk |
To make the father Ted reference somewhat on topic, have you seen the episode with father stone when Ted prays that God smites him so they can get him out of the house and then he gets hit by lightning?
jaketopia - August 29, 2007 06:09 PM (GMT)
that is the most Ironic thing i've ever heard.
Deepthinker - August 29, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
What a disgrace. Someone should tell this guy religion isn't supposed to be used to exploit for personal gain.
Xiao Weng - August 29, 2007 07:15 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Deepthinker @ Aug 29 2007, 01:14 PM) |
| What a disgrace. Someone should tell this guy religion isn't supposed to be used to exploit for personal gain. |
Now that is the most ironic thing I've ever heard.
Kevin the Great - August 29, 2007 07:51 PM (GMT)
Daver - August 30, 2007 01:02 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alonocus @ Aug 29 2007, 01:47 PM) |
| No, he's old testament christian. "Smite my enemies lord and I'll sacrifice mmy children". |
That would be a... Jew? :rolleyes:
Esau of Isaac - August 30, 2007 01:09 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 08:16 AM) |
| From what I understand of New Testament, God's a pretty cool guy. Old Testament? Not so much. |
Yup. He's kind and loving in the new books. But the old? He quite literally says he's a God of war.
That's why when you quote something that makes him seem less than a benefactor the first words out of a person's mouth are "Oh, no! That was from the Old Testament, dearie!! Haven't you read the New Testament? It's like God 2.0!!!"
I can't say I am much surprised, though. A lot of people will take salvation to their heads.
Deniz Baykal - August 30, 2007 01:16 AM (GMT)
That guy is crazy, reminds me somehow of these people,
:jihad: :jihad: :jihad:
Bonzo - August 30, 2007 01:25 AM (GMT)
The people that follow him are exponentially worse. At least he's smart enough to know how to get people riled up and throwing money at him (even if it is a disgusting method); the followers are just dumb sheeple.
Xiao Weng - August 30, 2007 01:26 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Esau of Isaac @ Aug 29 2007, 07:09 PM) |
Yup. He's kind and loving in the new books. But the old? He quite literally says he's a God of war.
That's why when you quote something that makes him seem less than a benefactor the first words out of a person's mouth are "Oh, no! That was from the Old Testament, dearie!! Haven't you read the New Testament? It's like God 2.0!!!"
I can't say I am much surprised, though. A lot of people will take salvation to their heads. |
God got a software upgrade?
...
Did it come with a spyware blocker? :awesome:
Holybandit - August 30, 2007 01:31 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Esau of Isaac @ Aug 29 2007, 07:09 PM) |
"Oh, no! That was from the Old Testament, dearie!! Haven't you read the New Testament? It's like God 2.0!!!" |
Sigged!
Lavo_2 - August 30, 2007 02:03 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kenadian_2006 @ Aug 29 2007, 10:09 AM) |
| I've read the bible, I don't remember any part of it saying pray for nasty @#$% to happen to your neighbour. Unless that part came up in Old Testament...then I can understand the crazy ass part of it. |
It isn't in there if I am correct. I have yet to see a Modern Orthodox (Jew-wise) prayer of that kind.
| QUOTE (Daver) |
| That would be a... Jew? :rolleyes: |
No. He believes in Christ.
Esau of Isaac - August 30, 2007 02:23 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Xiao Weng @ Aug 29 2007, 05:26 PM) |
| QUOTE (Esau of Isaac @ Aug 29 2007, 07:09 PM) | Yup. He's kind and loving in the new books. But the old? He quite literally says he's a God of war.
That's why when you quote something that makes him seem less than a benefactor the first words out of a person's mouth are "Oh, no! That was from the Old Testament, dearie!! Haven't you read the New Testament? It's like God 2.0!!!"
I can't say I am much surprised, though. A lot of people will take salvation to their heads. |
God got a software upgrade?
...
Did it come with a spyware blocker? :awesome:
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And incredibly capable Antivirus.
Another sig! MUAHAHA, my world conquest is nearly fulfilled.
So what's going to happen to the fellow? Before they're all bathed in a fiery torrent of God's love, is he going to get at least some kind of a charge dropped on him? There's some clear hate here, though that probably doesn't qualify. A judge should at least order him to attend some anger management classes, or something.
TheHighExalted - August 30, 2007 07:00 AM (GMT)
Christianity and every other major religion thrives on "us and them" ideologies; to a fundamentalist christian, it is perfectly ok to &#^$, maim and kill non-christians. Welcome to the wonderful world of religion! See my old thread about "The God Delusion" for some arguments why all of this loony bull ought to be ousted and exposed for what it really is.
EDIT: those symbols are there in place of "sexual assault"... you know what word I mean... what an odd word filter.
Moneke - August 30, 2007 08:13 AM (GMT)
It would be funny if he was struck by lightning after that <reddev>
Isaak von Kampfer - August 30, 2007 08:18 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Moneke @ Aug 30 2007, 02:13 AM) |
| It would be funny if he was struck by lightning after that <reddev> |
That would be the funniest thing ever.
Saniel - August 30, 2007 09:14 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lavo_2 @ Aug 29 2007, 08:03 PM) |
It isn't in there if I am correct. I have yet to see a Modern Orthodox (Jew-wise) prayer of that kind. |
There were quite a few doing that to Sharon towards the end there.
| QUOTE ( Esau of Isaac @ Aug 29 2007, 08:24 PM) |
| So what's going to happen to the fellow? Before they're all bathed in a fiery torrent of God's love, is he going to get at least some kind of a charge dropped on him? There's some clear hate here, though that probably doesn't qualify. A judge should at least order him to attend some anger management classes, or something. |
Uhm, I do not know what country you live in, but that sort of thing is legal in the United States, provided you are not Muslim.
Holybandit - August 30, 2007 06:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (TheHighExalted @ Aug 30 2007, 01:00 AM) |
Christianity and every other major religion thrives on "us and them" ideologies; to a fundamentalist christian, it is perfectly ok to &#^$, maim and kill non-christians. Welcome to the wonderful world of religion! See my old thread about "The God Delusion" for some arguments why all of this loony bull ought to be ousted and exposed for what it really is. EDIT: those symbols are there in place of "sexual assault"... you know what word I mean... what an odd word filter. |
Your sweeping generalizations only apply to those religious people who have completely no common sense. Stupid people will do stupid stuff, if there wasnt christrainity/islam/judaism ect ect then there would be something else for them.
Esau of Isaac - August 30, 2007 08:41 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saniel @ Aug 30 2007, 01:14 AM) |
| QUOTE (Lavo_2 @ Aug 29 2007, 08:03 PM) | It isn't in there if I am correct. I have yet to see a Modern Orthodox (Jew-wise) prayer of that kind. |
There were quite a few doing that to Sharon towards the end there.
Uhm, I do not know what country you live in, but that sort of thing is legal in the United States, provided you are not Muslim.
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I didn't know it was legal, actually. I thought that wishing for God to strike the guy down could at least be interpreted as an indirect threat. He can't get hit on anything?
Saniel - August 30, 2007 08:46 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Esau of Isaac @ Aug 30 2007, 02:41 PM) |
| I didn't know it was legal, actually. I thought that wishing for God to strike the guy down could at least be interpreted as an indirect threat. He can't get hit on anything? |
There would not be enough prisons for the conservative evangelical movment in the United States if it were illegal. Though at least all the inmates would know each other.