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Title: Ruling on extortion of donations for in-game gain
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Thoreau - August 27, 2007 01:44 AM (GMT)
Extorting Donations
Donations are excluded from any kind of IC payment. Anyone found extorting others for OOC payments will be warned in-game.



It is officially against Cyber Nations rules to demand a donation from any other nation with the threat of any sort of negative consequence toward that nation and/or the player controlling the nation. If you attempt to do this, you will receive a warning.

I'll leave this thread open for questions.


edited to please the e-lawyers
edited again, screw the e-lawyers

Maide - August 27, 2007 01:49 AM (GMT)
I recall a previous post where the moderation team said it was fine to give the option of donations as payment so long as other IC options were available.

BelAir - August 27, 2007 01:49 AM (GMT)
what if you assign a donation a certain IC value? Like, say, you could demand reps of 9 mil or one donation?

The Mod - August 27, 2007 01:50 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maide @ Aug 26 2007, 08:49 PM)
I recall a previous post where the moderation team said it was fine to give the option of donations as payment so long as other IC options were available.

This is the new policy, that one is no longer in effect.

No Bel Air, that's not allowed either.

admin - August 27, 2007 01:52 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Maide @ Aug 26 2007, 08:49 PM)
I recall a previous post where the moderation team said it was fine to give the option of donations as payment so long as other IC options were available.

This policy change is intended to reverse that ruling. By requiring either a donation or some other IC option who is to say the IC option is so far out of line and impossible that the only viable option is sending a donation? From now on, donations must remain out of IC conflicts.

bigwoody - August 27, 2007 01:52 AM (GMT)
So then...

If I were to give a hypothetical offer like such:

QUOTE
I got nuked, stuff, stuff. Repayment is as follows:

-$3,000,000

OR

-1 $20 donation.


Where a donation is an option, but not mandatory for whatever reps I've asked, that is now illegal?

EDIT: k, thats illegal now, understood

BelAir - August 27, 2007 01:56 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (admin @ Aug 26 2007, 08:52 PM)
This policy change is intended to reverse that ruling. By requiring either a donation or some other IC option who is to say the IC option is so far out of line and impossible that the only viable option is sending a donation? From now on, donations must remain out of IC conflicts.

What if the paying nation offered voluntarily to make a donation in lieu of paying IC money? Would it be against the rules to accept?

Maide - August 27, 2007 01:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BelAir @ Aug 26 2007, 09:56 PM)
What if the paying nation offered voluntarily to make a donation in lieu of paying IC money? Would it be against the rules to accept?

Because THAT couldn't be exploited.. <sadno>

admin - August 27, 2007 02:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (BelAir @ Aug 26 2007, 08:56 PM)
What if the paying nation offered voluntarily to make a donation in lieu of paying IC money? Would it be against the rules to accept?

That is no longer allowed.



Edit: My apologies for stating otherwise and for deleting posts that were in error, I didn't want to cause any further confusion here.

Slayer99 - August 27, 2007 02:23 AM (GMT)
I can respect and understand this ruling and we will abide by it.

Thanks for the clarification on the rule, as that is the situation that happened to one of our members.

IF the mods/admin have any questions regarding the history of this situation, please PM me.

Samuel Sagan - August 27, 2007 02:23 AM (GMT)
What about the Order of the Black Rose? They require you to donate to join their alliance. Is that against the rules?

Ninja Colt - August 27, 2007 02:27 AM (GMT)
That's your option to join the alliance. I don't see how that would be illegal. It's their decision to join that alliance and pay.

Samuel Sagan - August 27, 2007 02:32 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ninja Colt @ Aug 26 2007, 08:27 PM)
That's your option to join the alliance. I don't see how that would be illegal. It's their decision to join that alliance and pay.

Right, I just wasn't sure because it seemed like admin's saying IC actions cannot be tied to OOC actions (donations).

Esau of Isaac - August 27, 2007 04:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Ninja Colt @ Aug 26 2007, 06:27 PM)
That's your option to join the alliance. I don't see how that would be illegal. It's their decision to join that alliance and pay.

I'm pretty sure that would be breaking the rules. It's almost exactly what the rule is being worded to prevent.

Original Content - August 27, 2007 06:11 AM (GMT)
what about requiring a nation to buy a donation with IC money for a third party (eg, reply to a "selling donation" post in the gameplay sales thread, and direct the donation towards the extorting nation, paying for it with IC money from the extorted nation).

israfeel - August 27, 2007 07:03 AM (GMT)
What would happen if the one paying the reps decides to propose the donation instead of sending it in aid.

If that is illegal, will the mods be aggressively looking for any such activities. Even if neither party is willing to report it and feel its unfair.

bigwoody - August 27, 2007 07:16 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (israfeel @ Aug 27 2007, 02:03 AM)
What would happen if the one paying the reps decides to propose the donation instead of sending it in aid.

If that is illegal, will the mods be aggressively looking for any such activities. Even if neither party is willing to report it and feel its fair.

No donations, period, in the context of reps.

Though that does bring up the problem of people faking such claims, too.

Harry Harper - August 27, 2007 06:15 PM (GMT)
What about if someone is paid 3 million for a donation, and then doesn't donate, and that party is then attacked for not paying, is this being extorted for a donation? What proof will be needed to proof the person who didn't pay the donation agreed to do so?

Hector - August 27, 2007 07:00 PM (GMT)
Will this nation just recieve a war, or will the war also be canceled?

barakady - August 28, 2007 01:13 AM (GMT)
Thanks for the help mods if you have any questions concerns ect feel free too send me message

CRex - August 28, 2007 02:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Harry Harper @ Aug 27 2007, 01:15 PM)
What about if someone is paid 3 million for a donation, and then doesn't donate, and that party is then attacked for not paying, is this being extorted for a donation? What proof will be needed to proof the person who didn't pay the donation agreed to do so?

Just demand the three million be paid back rather than demanding a donation...


Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz - August 29, 2007 07:38 AM (GMT)
I fully understand this ruling and support it wholeheartedly.

electric frog - August 29, 2007 09:23 PM (GMT)
How does this effect my making a donation for someone else with no IC reasons other than to maybe just help a friend out, or if a friend was nuked or sent to zi could some one simply just donate in their name? or is this illegal now?

The_ Evil_Jester - August 29, 2007 09:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (electric frog @ Aug 29 2007, 03:23 PM)
How does this effect my making a donation for someone else with no IC reasons other than to maybe just help a friend out, or if a friend was nuked or sent to zi could some one simply just donate in their name? or is this illegal now?

This ruling only affects donations that are made by one nation to another nation that they are at war with. If you're not at war with your friend and you donate for his or her nation it does not matter if they are at war with another party or not.

amicus curiae - August 29, 2007 10:02 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Thoreau @ Aug 26 2007, 07:44 PM)

edited to please the e-lawyers
edited again, screw the e-lawyers

Being a RL e-lawyer I completely understand and support this ruling.

Bumpy - September 2, 2007 02:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Samuel Sagan @ Aug 26 2007, 09:23 PM)
What about the Order of the Black Rose? They require you to donate to join their alliance. Is that against the rules?

This policy is not extortive.

The proceeds of any such donation are retained by the donating nation.





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