The Japanese, Smart...why?
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well, for one, the american education system is completely too easy, in my opinion.
two, their concept of honor is mostly the same within a family
and three, i've met tons of people who are just as smart, if not more so, than my asian friends and I.
for example, I'm adopted and english is my first language. I did well in school (from middle school on mostly because i didn't care about school when younger) for myself when I cared to learn. The same is true for all my friends who wanted to learn. I slept in classes and got A's and B's in advanced and AP courses because I made sure I learned the material. So did my friends. One even slept through the AP Calc class I was in with him, made up theorms on the exams (literally taught himself Calc) and passed the AP Test with a 5. The average for those who took the test is a 3. He's just a typical ADHD white guy who is intelligent. Me on the other hand, I had to really study a day before the exams to get an A or have a 5 min cram session before a test to get a B. In all my other classes, by sitting there and asorbing the information I was able to do well without trying.
But I do know that Shiro-kun, a japanese exchange student in my class, was very good at math despite his lacking english skills. Math is a universal language...anyone with ten fingers can understand it. But Shiro-kun had a certain knack for math skills that I could not follow. My friend in AP Calc was very good at German while in german 5, I had to study and stay awake in class. I really do think what language you speak has an impact in what part of your brain develops first. Furthermore, I think that could help an individual in certain skills such as math. So I do not think the Japanese are inherantly smarter than us (human IQ does not varry that much as the norm is still around 97 to 105) but that their brains have developed in a certain way so learning abstact concepts such as math is easier for them due to the place ment of their language skills in their brain.
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| QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:34 PM) | well, for one, the american education system is completely too easy, in my opinion.
two, their concept of honor is mostly the same within a family
and three, i've met tons of people who are just as smart, if not more so, than my asian friends and I.
for example, I'm adopted and english is my first language. I did well in school (from middle school on mostly because i didn't care about school when younger) for myself when I cared to learn. The same is true for all my friends who wanted to learn. I slept in classes and got A's and B's in advanced and AP courses because I made sure I learned the material. So did my friends. One even slept through the AP Calc class I was in with him, made up theorms on the exams (literally taught himself Calc) and passed the AP Test with a 5. The average for those who took the test is a 3. He's just a typical ADHD white guy who is intelligent. Me on the other hand, I had to really study a day before the exams to get an A or have a 5 min cram session before a test to get a B. In all my other classes, by sitting there and asorbing the information I was able to do well without trying.
But I do know that Shiro-kun, a japanese exchange student in my class, was very good at math despite his lacking english skills. Math is a universal language...anyone with ten fingers can understand it. But Shiro-kun had a certain knack for math skills that I could not follow. My friend in AP Calc was very good at German while in german 5, I had to study and stay awake in class. I really do think what language you speak has an impact in what part of your brain develops first. Furthermore, I think that could help an individual in certain skills such as math. So I do not think the Japanese are inherantly smarter than us (human IQ does not varry that much as the norm is still around 97 to 105) but that their brains have developed in a certain way so learning abstact concepts such as math is easier for them due to the place ment of their language skills in their brain. |
Well, it's not that easy... It keeps getting harder and harder every 2 or 3 years.. Back in the 1800's, people didn't give a crap about school.. The Japanese is about 10 years ahead of us...
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| QUOTE (Maki @ Mar 5 2006, 08:01 PM) | | QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:34 PM) | well, for one, the american education system is completely too easy, in my opinion.
two, their concept of honor is mostly the same within a family
and three, i've met tons of people who are just as smart, if not more so, than my asian friends and I.
for example, I'm adopted and english is my first language. I did well in school (from middle school on mostly because i didn't care about school when younger) for myself when I cared to learn. The same is true for all my friends who wanted to learn. I slept in classes and got A's and B's in advanced and AP courses because I made sure I learned the material. So did my friends. One even slept through the AP Calc class I was in with him, made up theorms on the exams (literally taught himself Calc) and passed the AP Test with a 5. The average for those who took the test is a 3. He's just a typical ADHD white guy who is intelligent. Me on the other hand, I had to really study a day before the exams to get an A or have a 5 min cram session before a test to get a B. In all my other classes, by sitting there and asorbing the information I was able to do well without trying.
But I do know that Shiro-kun, a japanese exchange student in my class, was very good at math despite his lacking english skills. Math is a universal language...anyone with ten fingers can understand it. But Shiro-kun had a certain knack for math skills that I could not follow. My friend in AP Calc was very good at German while in german 5, I had to study and stay awake in class. I really do think what language you speak has an impact in what part of your brain develops first. Furthermore, I think that could help an individual in certain skills such as math. So I do not think the Japanese are inherantly smarter than us (human IQ does not varry that much as the norm is still around 97 to 105) but that their brains have developed in a certain way so learning abstact concepts such as math is easier for them due to the place ment of their language skills in their brain. |
Well, it's not that easy... It keeps getting harder and harder every 2 or 3 years.. Back in the 1800's, people didn't give a crap about school.. The Japanese is about 10 years ahead of us...
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What? No it's not...it's just more advanced than us is all...
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| QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 10 2006, 07:14 AM) | well, remember in the 1800s there was a completely different social dynamic--People were farmers because they needed to grow food.
Education was not for everyone--it was for those who could buy it.
This is true through out history until the Protestant Reformation where literacy rates grew exponentially (due to the innovation known as the Gutenberg press) and people learned for the sake of learning.
Now, school today should prepair a person for one of two things: more education or the real world.
I do not think that High school prepairs a person to face either properly. For further education, it was too easy for me, my friends and almost everyone that I know who will be or is at a university. I also do not think that (at least not mine) the current course load will properly prepair a person to face the real world--to be considered a full adult the ages of 21 or 25 comes to mind (21 to drink obviously and 25, the age at which one is usally considered sound enought to buy their own insurace). if it were to have done its job, the age of full adulthood in our society should be 18.
I do not think the Japanese are 'super-people' that are somehow above us, but more apt to succeed due to their outlook on life--work hard, get moeny: knowledge is both power and virtue. I honestly feel that if a person wishes to become more intelligent, they can...the only limit is themselves. |
Wow.. I completely agree with you now.. Except for the:
| QUOTE | | I do not think the Japanese are 'super-people' that are somehow above us, but more apt to succeed due to their outlook on life--work hard, get moeny: knowledge is both power and virtue. I honestly feel that if a person wishes to become more intelligent, they can...the only limit is themselves. |
They are super-people if you think about it. And no this isn't stereo-typism; Which population is "smarter?," Americans or Japanese?
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Actually, I wouldn't limit the studious nature to only the japanese. Almost all my asian friends (myself included) are either lucky to an obscene degree, or smarter then what I consider to be the average caucasian, latino, or European person (I'm pretty diverse in knowledge of people, I've been around the world and have had classmates of very different nationalities). But the thing is, most Asians I know are just extremely, extremely good at thinking inside the box. This is reflected in history as well. Sure, we invented Gunpowder, but Europe invented the Wheel, many different cures, and were first into Space (I consider Russia to be in Europe, not in Asia).
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| QUOTE (Coop @ Apr 9 2006, 03:31 AM) | | Actually, I wouldn't limit the studious nature to only the japanese. Almost all my asian friends (myself included) are either lucky to an obscene degree, or smarter then what I consider to be the average caucasian, latino, or European person (I'm pretty diverse in knowledge of people, I've been around the world and have had classmates of very different nationalities). But the thing is, most Asians I know are just extremely, extremely good at thinking inside the box. This is reflected in history as well. Sure, we invented Gunpowder, but Europe invented the Wheel, many different cures, and were first into Space (I consider Russia to be in Europe, not in Asia). |
outside and outstides boxes, ;P
but really, not only the japanese is intellegent.. even starving africans can be smart... and/or bums.
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