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 The Japanese, Smart...why?
Sakaki
Posted: Feb 24 2006, 10:21 PM


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I've been perceiving Japanese comportment and I conclude that about 89% of the japanese are ingenious. We don't know for sure what is causing their brain to attain such interlaced information, but we think that it is fish, because fish carries brain vitamins and stuff so it capacitates to be able to remember minor and major scenes; some photgraphic and some not. My question is basically, why are they so smart?
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Posted: Feb 26 2006, 12:23 AM


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idea, sterotypes and the fact that their society cares a lot more about that stuff then we do.
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Posted: Feb 26 2006, 09:43 AM


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QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Feb 26 2006, 08:23 AM)
idea, sterotypes and the fact that their society cares a lot more about that stuff then we do.

Not to mention how much trash the United States has.. It depends where you like, just because we speak english doesn't mean we are all from/live in United Kingdom or United States, that is stereo-typish..
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Posted: Feb 26 2006, 10:32 AM


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Yah, I know people who live in Malaysia and they speak English(though I don't know how well).
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Posted: Feb 27 2006, 12:07 PM


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not sure what that has to do with the origional topic, but...

i propose that it may be the way their brain developes, since their location of language skills is different (in general) than an english speakers, some how favors the logic centered part of the brain.
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Posted: Mar 1 2006, 06:35 PM


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QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Feb 27 2006, 08:07 PM)
not sure what that has to do with the origional topic, but...

i propose that it may be the way their brain developes, since their location of language skills is different (in general) than an english speakers, some how favors the logic centered part of the brain.

The question is how is their brain bigger than ours?
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Posted: Mar 2 2006, 08:28 AM


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no not quite, just how is it different in developing, say more efficent nurologically, than an american speaking brain.

but i really think i has more to do with their culture^^

after all, their middle and high schools are paced more like our colleges (aka pressure cooker education) versus the typical american 'let's-give-'em-what-they-can-live-with...bearly... style
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Posted: Mar 4 2006, 11:28 AM


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And their culture is...?
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Posted: Mar 4 2006, 06:21 PM


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bent on Honor...this means get good grades or else...try hard or else...succeed or else!

their education system is about on par with our college work load, except it starts in high school.

They are predeterimed to succeed or comitt suicide: Fact, suicide in japan is a somewhat-common occurance to not dishonor your family.
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Posted: Mar 4 2006, 07:42 PM


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QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 5 2006, 02:21 AM)
bent on Honor...this means get good grades or else...try hard or else...succeed or else!

their education system is about on par with our college work load, except it starts in high school.

They are predeterimed to succeed or comitt suicide: Fact, suicide in japan is a somewhat-common occurance to not dishonor your family.

How about when they go to U.S.A (born) and they still get good grades?
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Posted: Mar 5 2006, 11:34 AM


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well, for one, the american education system is completely too easy, in my opinion.

two, their concept of honor is mostly the same within a family

and three, i've met tons of people who are just as smart, if not more so, than my asian friends and I.

for example, I'm adopted and english is my first language. I did well in school (from middle school on mostly because i didn't care about school when younger) for myself when I cared to learn. The same is true for all my friends who wanted to learn. I slept in classes and got A's and B's in advanced and AP courses because I made sure I learned the material. So did my friends. One even slept through the AP Calc class I was in with him, made up theorms on the exams (literally taught himself Calc) and passed the AP Test with a 5. The average for those who took the test is a 3. He's just a typical ADHD white guy who is intelligent. Me on the other hand, I had to really study a day before the exams to get an A or have a 5 min cram session before a test to get a B. In all my other classes, by sitting there and asorbing the information I was able to do well without trying.

But I do know that Shiro-kun, a japanese exchange student in my class, was very good at math despite his lacking english skills. Math is a universal language...anyone with ten fingers can understand it. But Shiro-kun had a certain knack for math skills that I could not follow. My friend in AP Calc was very good at German while in german 5, I had to study and stay awake in class. I really do think what language you speak has an impact in what part of your brain develops first. Furthermore, I think that could help an individual in certain skills such as math. So I do not think the Japanese are inherantly smarter than us (human IQ does not varry that much as the norm is still around 97 to 105) but that their brains have developed in a certain way so learning abstact concepts such as math is easier for them due to the place ment of their language skills in their brain.
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Posted: Mar 5 2006, 12:01 PM


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QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:34 PM)
well, for one, the american education system is completely too easy, in my opinion.

two, their concept of honor is mostly the same within a family

and three, i've met tons of people who are just as smart, if not more so, than my asian friends and I.

for example, I'm adopted and english is my first language.  I did well in school (from middle school on mostly because i didn't care about school when younger) for myself when I cared to learn.  The same is true for all my friends who wanted to learn.  I slept in classes and got A's and B's in advanced and AP courses because I made sure I learned the material.  So did my friends.  One even slept through the AP Calc class I was in with him, made up theorms on the exams (literally taught himself Calc) and passed the AP Test with a 5.  The average for those who took the test is a 3.  He's just a typical ADHD white guy who is intelligent.  Me on the other hand, I had to really study a day before the exams to get an A or have a 5 min cram session before a test to get a B.  In all my other classes, by sitting there and asorbing the information I was able to do well without trying.

But I do know that Shiro-kun, a japanese exchange student in my class, was very good at math despite his lacking english skills.  Math is a universal language...anyone with ten fingers can understand it.  But Shiro-kun had a certain knack for math skills that I could not follow.  My friend in AP Calc was very good at German while in german 5, I had to study and stay awake in class.  I really do think what language you speak has an impact in what part of your brain develops first.  Furthermore, I think that could help an individual in certain skills such as math.  So I do not think the Japanese are inherantly smarter than us (human IQ does not varry that much as the norm is still around 97 to 105) but that their brains have developed in a certain way so learning abstact concepts such as math is easier for them due to the place ment of their language skills in their brain.

Well, it's not that easy... It keeps getting harder and harder every 2 or 3 years.. Back in the 1800's, people didn't give a crap about school.. The Japanese is about 10 years ahead of us...
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Posted: Mar 8 2006, 08:57 PM


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QUOTE (Maki @ Mar 5 2006, 08:01 PM)
QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 5 2006, 07:34 PM)
well, for one, the american education system is completely too easy, in my opinion.

two, their concept of honor is mostly the same within a family

and three, i've met tons of people who are just as smart, if not more so, than my asian friends and I.

for example, I'm adopted and english is my first language.  I did well in school (from middle school on mostly because i didn't care about school when younger) for myself when I cared to learn.  The same is true for all my friends who wanted to learn.  I slept in classes and got A's and B's in advanced and AP courses because I made sure I learned the material.  So did my friends.  One even slept through the AP Calc class I was in with him, made up theorms on the exams (literally taught himself Calc) and passed the AP Test with a 5.  The average for those who took the test is a 3.  He's just a typical ADHD white guy who is intelligent.  Me on the other hand, I had to really study a day before the exams to get an A or have a 5 min cram session before a test to get a B.  In all my other classes, by sitting there and asorbing the information I was able to do well without trying.

But I do know that Shiro-kun, a japanese exchange student in my class, was very good at math despite his lacking english skills.  Math is a universal language...anyone with ten fingers can understand it.  But Shiro-kun had a certain knack for math skills that I could not follow.  My friend in AP Calc was very good at German while in german 5, I had to study and stay awake in class.  I really do think what language you speak has an impact in what part of your brain develops first.  Furthermore, I think that could help an individual in certain skills such as math.  So I do not think the Japanese are inherantly smarter than us (human IQ does not varry that much as the norm is still around 97 to 105) but that their brains have developed in a certain way so learning abstact concepts such as math is easier for them due to the place ment of their language skills in their brain.

Well, it's not that easy... It keeps getting harder and harder every 2 or 3 years.. Back in the 1800's, people didn't give a crap about school.. The Japanese is about 10 years ahead of us...

What? No it's not...it's just more advanced than us is all...
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I haft to agree with Sailorplanet sh'e right....
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well, remember in the 1800s there was a completely different social dynamic--People were farmers because they needed to grow food.

Education was not for everyone--it was for those who could buy it.

This is true through out history until the Protestant Reformation where literacy rates grew exponentially (due to the innovation known as the Gutenberg press) and people learned for the sake of learning.

Now, school today should prepair a person for one of two things: more education or the real world.

I do not think that High school prepairs a person to face either properly. For further education, it was too easy for me, my friends and almost everyone that I know who will be or is at a university. I also do not think that (at least not mine) the current course load will properly prepair a person to face the real world--to be considered a full adult the ages of 21 or 25 comes to mind (21 to drink obviously and 25, the age at which one is usally considered sound enought to buy their own insurace). if it were to have done its job, the age of full adulthood in our society should be 18.

I do not think the Japanese are 'super-people' that are somehow above us, but more apt to succeed due to their outlook on life--work hard, get moeny: knowledge is both power and virtue. I honestly feel that if a person wishes to become more intelligent, they can...the only limit is themselves.
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QUOTE (JV3r8 @ Mar 10 2006, 07:14 AM)
well, remember in the 1800s there was a completely different social dynamic--People were farmers because they needed to grow food.

Education was not for everyone--it was for those who could buy it.

This is true through out history until the Protestant Reformation where literacy rates grew exponentially (due to the innovation known as the Gutenberg press) and people learned for the sake of learning.

Now, school today should prepair a person for one of two things: more education or the real world.

I do not think that High school prepairs a person to face either properly. For further education, it was too easy for me, my friends and almost everyone that I know who will be or is at a university. I also do not think that (at least not mine) the current course load will properly prepair a person to face the real world--to be considered a full adult the ages of 21 or 25 comes to mind (21 to drink obviously and 25, the age at which one is usally considered sound enought to buy their own insurace). if it were to have done its job, the age of full adulthood in our society should be 18.

I do not think the Japanese are 'super-people' that are somehow above us, but more apt to succeed due to their outlook on life--work hard, get moeny: knowledge is both power and virtue. I honestly feel that if a person wishes to become more intelligent, they can...the only limit is themselves.

Wow.. I completely agree with you now.. Except for the:
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I do not think the Japanese are 'super-people' that are somehow above us, but more apt to succeed due to their outlook on life--work hard, get moeny: knowledge is both power and virtue. I honestly feel that if a person wishes to become more intelligent, they can...the only limit is themselves.

They are super-people if you think about it. And no this isn't stereo-typism;
Which population is "smarter?," Americans or Japanese?
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Japanese because they stay in school longer than the Americans.
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Well, I'd say the Japanese are more studious and therefore more 'book' smart than the average American, but once again, I think most people are intelligent enough to become smart if they so choose
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Actually, I wouldn't limit the studious nature to only the japanese. Almost all my asian friends (myself included) are either lucky to an obscene degree, or smarter then what I consider to be the average caucasian, latino, or European person (I'm pretty diverse in knowledge of people, I've been around the world and have had classmates of very different nationalities). But the thing is, most Asians I know are just extremely, extremely good at thinking inside the box. This is reflected in history as well. Sure, we invented Gunpowder, but Europe invented the Wheel, many different cures, and were first into Space (I consider Russia to be in Europe, not in Asia).
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QUOTE (Coop @ Apr 9 2006, 03:31 AM)
Actually, I wouldn't limit the studious nature to only the japanese. Almost all my asian friends (myself included) are either lucky to an obscene degree, or smarter then what I consider to be the average caucasian, latino, or European person (I'm pretty diverse in knowledge of people, I've been around the world and have had classmates of very different nationalities). But the thing is, most Asians I know are just extremely, extremely good at thinking inside the box. This is reflected in history as well. Sure, we invented Gunpowder, but Europe invented the Wheel, many different cures, and were first into Space (I consider Russia to be in Europe, not in Asia).

outside and outstides boxes, ;P

but really, not only the japanese is intellegent.. even starving africans can be smart... and/or bums.
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