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 Treaty brokered, Alpharius goes Eldar!
AL-PiXeL01
Posted: Apr 16 2012, 10:40 AM


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So I am sitting here, painting Morgosis the former venerable dreadnought with about 2000 pts of csm (mostly unpainted) around me and I am thinking about kicking off a small Eldar force (around 750 pts) as well.
With the eldar I really love the models, especially the Striking Scorpions) but then I read that they are yet another underdog in the realm of wh40k gaming.

Anyone have any experience with this manipulating race? I plan to run them on foot with dire avengers, scorpions and dragon. Probably gonna use some walkers too though that reminds undecided as of yet.


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Posted: Apr 16 2012, 11:15 AM


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Been playing them quite recently in fact. biggrin.gif

The Eldar codex suffers from being out-dated, mostly with weak psychic powers, over costed units and some wargear issues.

If you're running them on foot, the an Avatar is a must, along with Eldrad (much better costsed compared to a 'standard' farseer). I quite like Wraithlords too in a foot list. However, you'll be out manouvered quite a lot, and they're not numerous enough to use as a horde in waves of attack. Fire dragons on foot will suffer from being outmanouvered certainly, so you'll need to think about a defnsive set up for most games.

They can still be fun to play, but be prepared to loose more games than you win, especially without vehicles.


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AL-PiXeL01
Posted: Apr 19 2012, 09:46 AM


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Well I went down and bought:

1 Eldrad
10 dire avengers
6 scorpions
6 fire dragons

And now I am thinking about what to add to my footsloggers. Already on the list are:
10 dire avengers more
5 dark reapers

But what would be better to help these poor folks walk across the field;
A wraith lord or a pair of war war walkers?


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Posted: Apr 19 2012, 10:58 AM


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An Avatar. wink.gif

(Keeps them fearless and packs a mean punch) - team him up with a wraithlord, use eldrad for fortune and you've got a solid core/fire magnet.

I've never used war-walkers, having not assembled mine, but I understand the general gist is that they're better outflanking; i.e. not beinging targets from the beginning of the game. They don't have the staying power that a wraithlord has, although he's still vulnerable to high strength/lop AP shots.


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Posted: Apr 19 2012, 11:47 PM


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QUOTE (WarpWhisperer @ Apr 19 2012, 10:58 AM)
... but I understand the general gist is that they're better outflanking; i.e. not beinging targets from the beginning of the game. They don't have the staying power that a wraithlord has, although he's still vulnerable to high strength/lop AP shots.

Nonono. War Walkers should be deployed within Guide-range of your Farseer/Eldrad to compensate for that BS3. Plus, gear them with scatter lasers. A squadron of three so armed puts out 24 S6 shots that can get rerolls to hit (Guide) and rerolls to wound (Doom).


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Posted: Apr 20 2012, 11:44 AM


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So I have bought figures to fill out a 1000pts army. It probably don't be varied nor that difficult to defeat but hopefully I'll be fun

Here what I have:

Avatar, Eldrad, 6 scorps incl. Exarch, 6 Fire dragons incl. exarch, 5 dark reapers incl exarch, 20 dire avengers incl 2 exarchs and a wraith lord.

I am probably gonna fit the wraith lord with a missile launcher and scatter laser as I'll be my main AT.

Any suggestions for a 1000pts out of this? I have been running some numbers already but not sure if it'll work:

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Eldrad
5 scorps incl. ex with claw and shadow strike
10 dire incl. ex with two sc and blade storm
7 dire incl. ex with two sc and blade storm
3 dark reapers
Wraithlord w/ 2 flamers, missile launcher and scatter laser

1000pt on the nose


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QUOTE (Omicron @ Apr 19 2012, 11:47 PM)
Nonono. War Walkers should be deployed within Guide-range of your Farseer/Eldrad to compensate for that BS3. Plus, gear them with scatter lasers. A squadron of three so armed puts out 24 S6 shots that can get rerolls to hit (Guide) and rerolls to wound (Doom).

Fair enough; told you I'd never used them wink.gif

That 1000 point list looks fine, except maybe shadowstrike, which is overpriced and could lead to your small unit of scorps being isolated.


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Posted: Apr 20 2012, 11:03 PM


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Also, consider taking the power weapon and shimmer shield for at least one of your Avenger squads. That 5+ I doesn't sound so impressive, I know, but here's the thing. Combined with rerolls from Fortune (effectively making your 5+ into a 4+) and Defend (enemies at -1 Attack), you have a decent tarpit unit. Terminators especially hate getting stuck in with this build, since they rely on small numbers of powerful attacks.


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QUOTE (Omicron @ Apr 20 2012, 11:03 PM)
Combined with rerolls from Fortune (effectively making your 5+ into a 4+) and Defend (enemies at -1 Attack), you have a decent tarpit unit.

Nice idea; never thought anout utilising fortune this way (normally fortuning my Avatar and dooming everyone else)


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Posted: Apr 21 2012, 09:03 AM


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QUOTE (AL-PiXeL01 @ Apr 20 2012, 08:44 PM)
So I have bought figures to fill out a 1000pts army. It probably don't be varied nor that difficult to defeat but hopefully I'll be fun

Here what I have:

Avatar, Eldrad, 6 scorps incl. Exarch, 6 Fire dragons incl. exarch, 5 dark reapers incl exarch, 20 dire avengers incl 2 exarchs and a wraith lord.

I am probably gonna fit the wraith lord with a missile launcher and scatter laser as I'll be my main AT.

Any suggestions for a 1000pts out of this? I have been running some numbers already but not sure if it'll work:

Avatar
Eldrad
5 scorps incl. ex with claw and shadow strike
10 dire incl. ex with two sc and blade storm
7 dire incl. ex with two sc and blade storm
3 dark reapers
Wraithlord w/ 2 flamers, missile launcher and scatter laser

1000pt on the nose

So something like would be better than?

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Elders
5 scorpions w/ exarch and claw
8 dire avengers w/ exarch with 2 scs and blade storm
8 dire avengers w/ exarch with shield and defend
3 dark reapers w/ exarch with crack shot
Wraithlord w/ scatter laser and missile launcher

1000 pts


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Omicron
Posted: Apr 21 2012, 07:37 PM


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Yeah, that's not too bad. I might look at adding an extra Reaper if you can, or maybe taking Fast instead of Crack Shot to help make up the short fall in their shooting attacks.

And when using Eldrad, remember one key point: he can use three powers a turn, and two of them CAN be the same power. So if someone Hoods you, you can do it again.


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AL-PiXeL01
Posted: Apr 22 2012, 11:01 PM


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Poor Dire Avengers. Their numbers becomes fewer and fewer, but it is either that or cutting away my scorpions.

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Eldrad
5 scorpions w/ exarch, biting blade
8 dire avengers w/ exarch with 2 scs and blade storm
7 dire avengers w/ exarch with shield and defend
3 dark reapers w/ exarch with crack shot and fast shot
Wraithlord w/ scatter laser and missile launcher

Edit: Eldrad got a name change, curse autocorrection on smartphones.


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Posted: Apr 24 2012, 06:25 AM


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Looks good; remember though, you can't use both fast and crack shot in the same turn - if you were being fastidious about points efficeincy, you should probably only choose one @ 1000 points (higher points values it probably matters less)

However, for slightly less competative games, it probably doesn't matter.


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